Aliasing through_wall → bdsm_wall
Link to alias

Reason:

I don't know who coined the phrase "through wall" but bdsm wall is the actual name. and It just makes more sense because the fetish of having someone contained in a wall for sex is just plain out bdsm.

"Through wall" sounds like a gloryhole or something. I support the alias just to avoid such confusion.

kinda depends on WHY there through the wall
what if there is no sexual implications

I'm sure that I've seen some posts where the characters are stuck in a wall (after they flew into it or whatever). But I don't see those under this tag.

Not sure if we have any tags for that at all, besides simple stuck.

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Guys, guys, guys... It's called Slodging.

Wow! "Through Wall".

...What a funny, stupid tag.

Clawdragons said:
Guys, guys, guys... It's called Slodging.

lol that's funny!

but seriously ಠ_ಠ we should really alias this to bdsm_wall.

blackflag2121 said:
kinda depends on WHY there through the wall
what if there is no sexual implications

well what if someone accidentally fell into a bed and got chained to it with fluffy handcuffs and a mouth gag latched itself onto their mouth? Pretty sure that would still be bdsm.

The_Diggler said:
well what if someone accidentally fell into a bed and got chained to it with fluffy handcuffs and a mouth gag latched itself onto their mouth? Pretty sure that would still be bdsm.

There are neither fluffy handcuffs nor a ballgag suddenly latched onto Luna in Genjar's example.

NotMeNotYou said:
There are neither fluffy handcuffs nor a ballgag suddenly latched onto Luna in Genjar's example.

Good actuation, that turns out to be true!

NotMeNotYou said:
There are neither fluffy handcuffs nor a ballgag suddenly latched onto Luna in Genjar's example.

I was being sarcastic Nimmy... I'm saying intent doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how a person gets into whatever bondage situation. They are are still bound so it's bdsm at least when it concerns to tags.

The_Diggler said:
I was being sarcastic Nimmy... I'm saying intent doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how a person gets into whatever bondage situation. They are are still bound so it's bdsm at least when it concerns to tags.

The BDSM holes in a wall are rather different from "just" cartoon characters flying into some wall and breaking a hole into it.
Mainly visible in images by having the hole intentional instead of them being rather clearly accidental.

As examples of "intentional" holes:

• larger than the character and perfectly cylindrical
• clear and smooth edges
• padding and restraints strategically placed nearby
• nearby holes to restrain arms and/or feet

The unintentional ones on the other hand mainly feature cracks or debris around the hole, which implies the hole was created by the character diving into it instead of the hole being there for the purpose of placing a character into them.

So, yes, I was aware of your intent and was saying that there simply is no BDSM part visible or implied in Genjar's example.

NotMeNotYou said:
The BDSM holes in a wall are rather different from "just" cartoon characters flying into some wall and breaking a hole into it.
Mainly visible in images by having the hole intentional instead of them being rather clearly accidental.

As examples of "intentional" holes:

• larger than the character and perfectly cylindrical
• clear and smooth edges
• padding and restraints strategically placed nearby
• nearby holes to restrain arms and/or feet

The unintentional ones on the other hand mainly feature cracks or debris around the hole, which implies the hole was created by the character diving into it instead of the hole being there for the purpose of placing a character into them.

So, yes, I was aware of your intent and was saying that there simply is no BDSM part visible or implied in Genjar's example.

So what? the bdsm wall tag should only imply to when it's intentional? I disagree. I think it should apply when it's sexual. when someone is through a wall and getting viewed/fucked/poked/prodded etc by someone who they can't identify or stop (or if they're letting it happen) it's a form of submission which is a part of bdsm.

that picture with luna has her clearly out of control of the situation so she is in a submissive position and giving the power to the viewer. Making it bdsm.

Unintentional or intentional be dammed. Bdsm can be bdsm whether the sub wants it to happen or not.

The_Diggler said:
Unintentional or intentional be dammed. Bdsm can be bdsm whether the sub wants it to happen or not.

BDSM Wiki says:

Standing for "Bondage & Discipline, Domination & Submission, and Sadism & Masochism". For tagging purposes, this may be consensual or somewhat nonconsensual. The tag is designed mainly for cases when there are clear sexual or fetishistic undertones present.

If the hole is made for this type of restraining it's clearly sexual and/or fetishistic. If the hole wasn't intentional it's very much possible that those undertones are simply completely missing.

Also, BDSM isn't supposed to be tagged on non-con, anyway.

NotMeNotYou said:
If the hole is made for this type of restraining it's clearly sexual and/or fetishistic. If the hole wasn't intentional it's very much possible that those undertones are simply completely missing.

Also, BDSM isn't supposed to be tagged on non-con, anyway.

Well you've managed to completely derail this thread. Nice.

Granted I didn't know bdsm wasn't for non consent but NMNY, if you are trying to tell me that luna picture was NOT meant to show off luna in a sexual way then I think this conversation is just pointless.

I don't care if a character is in a hole just for the hell of it. I just DO NOT care NMNY. The point of this tag is to separate it for instances when it's sexual form when it's not. and it CAN be sexual even if unintentional. I mean really dude, if you can't imagine someone getting stuck in a hole and sexual hijinks happening then I just can't help you.

I don't know what else you want from me. I don't know what your goal is, you're a mad man on the lose right now just wanting this thread to burn and you've done it. It's on fire.

The_Diggler said:
Well you've managed to completely derail this thread. Nice.

Granted I didn't know bdsm wasn't for non consent but NMNY, if you are trying to tell me that luna picture was NOT meant to show off luna in a sexual way then I think this conversation is just pointless.

I don't care if a character is in a hole just for the hell of it. I just DO NOT care NMNY. The point of this tag is to separate it for instances when it's sexual form when it's not. and it CAN be sexual even if unintentional. I mean really dude, if you can't imagine someone getting stuck in a hole and sexual hijinks happening then I just can't help you.

I don't know what else you want from me. I don't know what your goal is, you're a mad man on the lose right now just wanting this thread to burn and you've done it. It's on fire.

My intention is to keep the tags distinct, that way we have one for sexual situations (obviously the BDSM one) and the other for non-sexual situations.
If there is a different tag for non-sexual situations like this then by all means disregard everything I've said.

NotMeNotYou said:
My intention is to keep the tags distinct, that way we have one for sexual situations (obviously the BDSM one) and the other for non-sexual situations.
If there is a different tag for non-sexual situations like this then by all means disregard everything I've said.

well sure, like Genjar said, we have the stuck tag for any asshole that's just walking along and gets stuck in a hole or something.

-1

Instances exist where one may be through a wall, and it is non-sexual; cartoony, sure, yet not necessarily sexual.

Car crashes, portals, silly pony antics, The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: being stuck in a wall does not always have to entail BDSM.

Sharp_Coyote said:
-1

Instances exist where one may be through a wall, and it is non-sexual; cartoony, sure, yet not necessarily sexual.

Car crashes, portals, silly pony antics, The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai: being stuck in a wall does not always have to entail BDSM.

We just agreed about that on the comment above you dude. That's why this tag exist. To separate those instances. For all instances when it's not sexual the Stuck tag should be used.

but you know what guys. Stop the bullshit. You know that when this fetish is used it's used sexually. I've been searching and I am hard pressed to find even one instance on this site when it's NOT sexual.

I only found one and it's still in a sexual image

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I mean fucking really.

through_wall rating:safe One fucking image. One.

through_wall rating:questionable Ohhhh SIX we're in the big leagues now. Oh wait, they're all sexual...

through_wall rating:explicit <--- jackpot

hmmm. It's almost as if there's a huge gap between someone being in a hole and it being sexual from when "hypothetically" someone could be in a hole and it's not sexual.

I'm not gonna say anymore about this, I think I've made my point. If the vote isn't to alias it I'm just gonna take it like this http://i.imgur.com/QuON86R.jpg and move on.

The_Diggler said:
We just agreed about that on the comment above you dude. That's why this tag exist. To separate those instances. For all instances when it's not sexual the Stuck tag should be used.

but you know what guys. Stop the bullshit. You know that when this fetish is used it's used sexually. I've been searching and I am hard pressed to find even one instance on this site when it's NOT sexual.

I only found one and it's still in a sexual image

post #508865

I mean fucking really.

through_wall rating:safe One fucking image. One.

through_wall rating:questionable Ohhhh SIX we're in the big leagues now. Oh wait, they're all sexual...

through_wall rating:explicit <--- jackpot

hmmm. It's almost as if there's a huge gap between someone being in a hole and it being sexual from when "hypothetically" someone could be in a hole and it's not sexual.

I'm not gonna say anymore about this, I think I've made my point. If the vote isn't to alias it I'm just gonna take it like this http://i.imgur.com/QuON86R.jpg and move on.

Are you trying to say to remove the through_wall tag in favor of stuck, which covers a way too wide range of posts to be a good idea at all, or that they should be tagged with it as well as through_wall?

Furrin_Gok said:
Are you trying to say to remove the through_wall tag in favor of stuck, which covers a way too wide range of posts to be a good idea at all, or that they should be tagged with it as well as through_wall?

Nothing wrong with the stuck tag. We have a wall tag to go with it. How hard is it to search for stuck and wall?

bdsm_wall is for sexual things. Which I have just proven that about all of the examples are sexual.

*I said i was done but I'm a hard headed Aries*

The_Diggler said:
Nothing wrong with the stuck tag. We have a wall tag to go with it. How hard is it to search for stuck and wall?

bdsm_wall is for sexual things. Which I have just proven that about all of the examples are sexual.

*I said i was done but I'm a hard headed Aries*

Somehow I missed the first half of your final sentence, sorry.
Through_wall is our nonsex related wall tag. stuck_in_wall doesn't exist, and people don't tag wall nearly enough. through_wall -wall

Admittedly, it may be better to clean it out and start using the stuck_in_wall tag instead, but until that happens we need through_wall to remain.

Furrin_Gok said:
Somehow I missed the first half of your final sentence, sorry.
Through_wall is our nonsex related wall tag. stuck_in_wall doesn't exist, and people don't tag wall nearly enough. through_wall -wall

Admittedly, it may be better to clean it out and start using the stuck_in_wall tag instead, but until that happens we need through_wall to remain.

You know what? fuck it all. Fuck the bdsm_wall thing. Stuck_in_wall should be the tag. It's a neutral sounding tag and it's different from glory hole so no confusion there. Also It doesn't have to be sexual and it'll just clear this bullshit right up.

I like this solution.

But while we're at it, do we want to keep stuck_in_wall and bdsm_wall separate? Or should we have bdsm_wall implicate stuck_in_wall?

Also, I guess we could have bdsm_wall directly implicate bdsm, and bound, at the least.
Any thoughts?

NotMeNotYou said:
I like this solution.

But while we're at it, do we want to keep stuck_in_wall and bdsm_wall separate? Or should we have bdsm_wall implicate stuck_in_wall?

Also, I guess we could have bdsm_wall directly implicate bdsm, and bound, at the least.
Any thoughts?

well, the fetish itself when they are restrained in the wall by design is bondage and would fall under bdsm. No doubt about that. But if we're going for accuracy I think it might be better just to have a Stuck_in_wall tag and the bdsm_wall tag just disappear into the abyss.

I still think bdsm_wall is a good tag but that's just me thinking for myself. Stuck_in_wall makes it much clearer and it's more ambiguous because it can be sexual and non sexual. Unlike bdsm_wall which is clearly sexual.

As for the implications. I don't think Stuck_in_wall would automatically imply bdsm but it would definitely imply bound.

sigh....farewell my beautiful tag. I will miss thee...

NotMeNotYou said:
I like this solution.

But while we're at it, do we want to keep stuck_in_wall and bdsm_wall separate? Or should we have bdsm_wall implicate stuck_in_wall?

Also, I guess we could have bdsm_wall directly implicate bdsm, and bound, at the least.
Any thoughts?

How's about both imply plain old in_wall?

Furrin_Gok said:
How's about both imply plain old in_wall?

Because someone could tag a glory hole as in wall. Because technically a glory hole is in a wall. or if someone is digging/phasing/swimming through a wall but isn't stuck or contained in the wall then It wouldn't get this wall fetish that I'm trying to tag.

Stuck_in_wall is the way the truth and the light Furrin Gok. I think we've got it. Lets not over simplify it.

The_Diggler said:
Because someone could tag a glory hole as in wall. Because technically a glory hole is in a wall. or if someone is digging/phasing/swimming through a wall but isn't stuck or contained in the wall then It wouldn't get this wall fetish that I'm trying to tag.

Stuck_in_wall is the way the truth and the light Furrin Gok. I think we've got it. Lets not over simplify it.

Implication, as though it groups anything that is "in wall."

Furrin_Gok said:
Implication, as though it groups anything that is "in wall."

You're missing the point dude.

It's a fetish. Not just the act of being in a wall. Some guy could be steping through a wall and technically be in a wall, but that's not the fetish.