Ok guys rap with me for a little while. Lets have a heart to heart about OC hate. Lets try to keep this civil for as long as possible (although we all know there will be that one douchebag that has to get everyone fired up)

Now It seems like every time an artist either puts his own OC into a sexual situation with a canon character he gets blasted to shit for it. one in particular is Dragk. He frequently inserts himself into his art and sexual situations with canon characters. I honestly don't give a damn. But for some reason people burn with so much hatred for him that they even feel the need to edit his characters name from pictures like this one

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but why? why all the hate? is it because these inserts and OC's are being depicted with your waifu? You do realize that neither you our them will EVER feel what it's like to fuck a fictional character right? and it's not like you aren't wishing you could be in there place. So WHY get mad when someone else draws that?

I just do not understand. Some people say they don't like the character design, some say that it's narcissistic but that's a bunch of bullshit. Every canon character doesn't have good character design but people still fap to them and I highly doubt trying to realize your fantasy of fucking your waifu through art is narcissistic if we all think like that.

I sure do wish I could fuck Knotty Curls

You know, I'd really wish to make a very big statement, something that can explain why OCs get downvoted, but I don't think there is a logical reason as to why. But that might just be me; I'd never have Siral Exan banging anyone from a fandom, not even if I personally like the character. (And no, my avatar is not Siral. I chose her because of how good the image is, IMO.)

The only reasons that semi-relate here are if they are drawn by a person "with no skill", even if it's a well known artist, if it's self-insertion in a already made image (I.E some photoshopped their OC to replace a person in a duo image), or if the OC/artist has a bad reputation, and the public doesn't like them as a result. But those are not proper logical reasons, those are general reasons...

The_Diggler said:
Ok guys rap with me for a little while.

*beat starts*
Yo,
You talking 'bout dem OC's
Self inserts, from drawings to 3D
On FA, e6, and onto Inkbunny
Let me tell ya what I think, this is Huskyyy

When a character gets sexy in any way
Lots of dudes out there would tap it like it's a Friday
But when a dude goes out and get a commission made
When other dudes see it, they gon' feel the shade

There's a thing called fantasy
Ranging from clean to pretty damn nasty
Making the character go from nice to near classy
I don't know what's in their brain so don't even ask me
Textures go from smooth to pretty much glassy

When they see themselves in there, from their brain
They think their the chosen ones, their self-made
But when they see someone else right there, in their place
They gonna go from happiness to straight-up hate

They gonna bash it, trash it, throw it up and slash it
Make themselves feel better when they don't even have shit
Whether it's the owner or artist, they don't care
They'll hate on it, justifying it by saying it's fair

UGH

TheHuskyK9 said:
*beat starts*
Yo,
You talking 'bout dem OC's
Self inserts, from drawings to 3D
On FA, e6, and onto Inkbunny
Let me tell ya what I think, this is Huskyyy

When a character gets sexy in any way
Lots of dudes out there would tap it like it's a Friday
But when a dude goes out and get a commission made
When other dudes see it, they gon' feel the shade

There's a thing called fantasy
Ranging from clean to pretty damn nasty
Making the character go from nice to near classy
I don't know what's in their brain so don't even ask me
Textures go from smooth to pretty much glassy

When they see themselves in there, from their brain
They think their the chosen ones, their self-made
But when they see someone else right there, in their place
They gonna go from happiness to straight-up hate

They gonna bash it, trash it, throw it up and slash it
Make themselves feel better when they don't even have shit
Whether it's the owner or artist, they don't care
They'll hate on it, justifying it by saying it's fair

UGH

Damn husky. We're gonna need a fire extinguisher after that XD

10/10

I don't know what problems people should have with OCs. The only thing that I can say is:

When I dislike OCs, it's mostly their design, and mostly because they're too overdone (eyepatch, broken horn, giant wings, some orange anime hairstyle while having purple fur and what else not all together as example)

A well done OC should be totally ok, and I honestly don't understand the whole waifu thing; ofc there are characters I would consider as hot ( currently Tyuule from the anime GATE ) but saying "it's my wife" seems a bit odd (Not to mention disliking an possibly good artist just for drawing her with an OC)

TheHuskyK9 said:

DANG SON

*beat starts*
Yo,
You talking 'bout dem OC's
Self inserts, from drawings to 3D
On FA, e6, and onto Inkbunny
Let me tell ya what I think, this is Huskyyy

When a character gets sexy in any way
Lots of dudes out there would tap it like it's a Friday
But when a dude goes out and get a commission made
When other dudes see it, they gon' feel the shade

There's a thing called fantasy
Ranging from clean to pretty damn nasty
Making the character go from nice to near classy
I don't know what's in their brain so don't even ask me
Textures go from smooth to pretty much glassy

When they see themselves in there, from their brain
They think their the chosen ones, their self-made
But when they see someone else right there, in their place
They gonna go from happiness to straight-up hate

They gonna bash it, trash it, throw it up and slash it
Make themselves feel better when they don't even have shit
Whether it's the owner or artist, they don't care
They'll hate on it, justifying it by saying it's fair

UGH

Bro, just, wow.

Anyway, the OC hate is truly absurd. I mean, this is art that people are creating for their own enjoyment (like Dragk) or commission for themselves (like Etheras). We take no part in the process, and we're lucky they even share it with us in the first place. Dragk's self-inserts can be annoying at times, but they are self-inserts we don't pay for or invest in. It would be like getting a freely given meal at a soup kitchen and then standing up and loudly complaining that the soup wasn't seasoned enough, and the casserole too dry. Since we don't pay for our own stupid commissions to see our fetishes played out we should be happy with what we get (id est, a warm meal) or not comment at all. In my experience, these self-inserts are often very well done and detailed because these people are so invested in their characters and the subject matter.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Dat rap

G-god dammit~ x3

Getting on topic though, most people, like in that example shown above, hate it because it's... well self insert. As petty as it sounds, and honestly it's pretty petty, some people just take offense to seeing their favorite character/waifu getting plowed by some joe nobody, so to speak. For some it's out of jealousy (for one reason or another) for others they just might not like the idea of non-canon characters having relations with canon characters (usually due to their own personal feelings of the character/ them not liking the idea that someone sees their beloved character as a sexual object or sexual trophy to be won, paraded around and shown off to everyone else/their own fanfiction pairings/etc) and others it's just annoyance seeing yet another random human/low effort furry/lazy pokemon or mlp pallette swap oc/sparkldog number 16473, etc, whoring themselves out to every character under the sun.

It's the same reason why people get annoyed and angry whenever they see someone's fanfiction with their main character (usually an oc) being a complete Mary Sue. That idea that every character in the world loves them, worships them, and just wants to be with them just because they're them. Does every image come off is that? No, but that's the attitude most approach it with, especially if said character has been in multiple images like that.

People will never stop taking art too serious...

Also, Husk is doin' it right.

It's the bad, bad, bad track record that self-insert OCs tend to have.

The_Diggler said:
but why? why all the hate? is it because these inserts and OC's are being depicted with your waifu? You do realize that neither you our them will EVER feel what it's like to fuck a fictional character right? and it's not like you aren't wishing you could be in there place. So WHY get mad when someone else draws that?

DELETE THIS DELETE THIS DELETE THIS YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU LIE OUR LOVE IS PURE MY WAIFU IS MINE!

SirBrownBear said:
G-god dammit~ x3

Getting on topic though, most people, like in that example shown above, hate it because it's... well self insert. As petty as it sounds, and honestly it's pretty petty, some people just take offense to seeing their favorite character/waifu getting plowed by some joe nobody, so to speak. For some it's out of jealousy (for one reason or another) for others they just might not like the idea of non-canon characters having relations with canon characters (usually due to their own personal feelings on the character/ them not liking the idea that someone sees their beloved character as a sexual object or sexual trophy to be one and paraded around and shown off to everyone else/their own fanfiction pairings/etc) and others it's just annoyance seeing yet another random human/low effort furry/lazy pokemon or mlp pallette swap oc/sparkldog number 16473, etc, whoring themselves out to every character under the sun.

It's the same reason why people get annoyed and angry whenever they see someone's fanfiction with their main character (usually an oc) being a complete Mary Sue. That idea that every character in the world loves them, worships them, and just wants to be with them just because they're them. Does every image come off is that? No, but that's the attitude most approach it with, especially if said character has been in multiple images like that.

This...

D4rk said:
I don't know what problems people should have with OCs. The only thing that I can say is:

When I dislike OCs, it's mostly their design, and mostly because they're too overdone (eyepatch, broken horn, giant wings, some orange anime hairstyle while having purple fur and what else not all together as example)

A well done OC should be totally ok, and I honestly don't understand the whole waifu thing; ofc there are characters I would consider as hot ( currently Tyuule from the anime GATE ) but saying "it's my wife" seems a bit odd (Not to mention disliking an possibly good artist just for drawing her with an OC)

And that.

Poorly designed, overdone Mary Sues placed in positions with characters/people they have no history with. Hell, what's wrong with drawing anons or pov? And stories usually just make things worse.

D4rk said:
When I dislike OCs, it's mostly their design, and mostly because they're too overdone (eyepatch, broken horn, giant wings, some orange anime hairstyle while having purple fur and what else not all together as example)

I don't mind OCs if they're well-designed either, though I do have trouble disassociating those characters and their owners at times. If the latter acts in a manner that doesn't jive with my core moral principles, then my appreciation of any artwork their OCs are in is subsequently diminished; moreover, a sense of resentment that an artist's talent didn't go to some other project for the time spent begins to stir. I omit specific examples out of respect for those character owners and not wanting to ruin others' enjoyment of the art.

It's a totally naive and unreasonable sentiment to harbor, sure, but it still makes me wish more people just commissioned normal, plain, copyright-free anthro characters instead of some fantasy design they legally own. Getting off to a visual depiction of someone's intellectual property is somehow less magic, and it makes it more difficult to appreciate art for art's sake.

Basically it's OCs like Tamati I have a real problem with. they suck

SirBrownBear said:
G-god dammit~ x3

Getting on topic though, most people, like in that example shown above, hate it because it's... well self insert. As petty as it sounds, and honestly it's pretty petty, some people just take offense to seeing their favorite character/waifu getting plowed by some joe nobody, so to speak. For some it's out of jealousy (for one reason or another) for others they just might not like the idea of non-canon characters having relations with canon characters (usually due to their own personal feelings of the character/ them not liking the idea that someone sees their beloved character as a sexual object or sexual trophy to be won, paraded around and shown off to everyone else/their own fanfiction pairings/etc) and others it's just annoyance seeing yet another random human/low effort furry/lazy pokemon or mlp pallette swap oc/sparkldog number 16473, etc, whoring themselves out to every character under the sun.

It's the same reason why people get annoyed and angry whenever they see someone's fanfiction with their main character (usually an oc) being a complete Mary Sue. That idea that every character in the world loves them, worships them, and just wants to be with them just because they're them. Does every image come off is that? No, but that's the attitude most approach it with, especially if said character has been in multiple images like that.

Sure I can understand the lazily written in fan character getting flagged for, well, being the biggest Mary Sue to ever walk the planet.

But as far as porn goes, we ALL have at least one character we'd want to fuck so there really is no excuse to bash others for drawing just that. I mean if they really get mad that their fictional fixation is having sex with another fictional character they are just too far gone from reality imo. Instead of shaming the fan character or the artist I think we should tell those haters to fuckin knock it off and let people dream. because in the end that's all they fucking can do. Dream.

and what's more is there is NO reason to have so much of this drama on this particular site because we have a fan character tag. People need to use it.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
Basically it's OCs like Tamati I have a real problem with. they suck

I''ve seen that character. He isn't very note worthy I admit. But damn Ryuzaki it's just porn, how diverse do they really need to be? Not saying you can't dislike him but I'm having a hard time understanding why you care. If the main purpose is just for porn then why does it matter?

The_Diggler said:
If the main purpose is just for porn then why does it matter?

because i like my porn without assholish Mary Sue characters who get 'all teh wimminz'

When it comes to Self-Insert OCs... The way I see it, there are a few factors at play.

1) A lot of porn involves self-insertion. OCs help one person self-insert, but it can come at the cost of everyone else.
2) OCs in general are often poorly designed from a visual standpoint.
3) OCs are often poorly written.
4) Self-Insert OC's names are often immersion-breaking.

In the case of Dragk, I think the problem is mostly (1), but also there's a fair bit of (4) there too. Dragk doesn't sound like a natural name for the universe (in fact, it seems pretty obviously to be a screenname), so reading a line like "Oh Dragk!" seems almost like "Oh NoobPwner123!", or something.

The character is basically just any human male, and if he wasn't called by name, people could self-insert themselves fairly easily into the comics. The fact that such a small thing is causing such a big problem is why people are getting so angry in that case (I suspect, anyway).

I'm generally pretty mellow, but I feel like if I were in Dragk's place, I would have a personal version with my name and a general version with that name edited out. Doing that is by no means obligatory, of course, but because that change would be so simple, I can understand how it would feel like a middle finger to anyone else trying to enjoy the art.

So basically I feel like people react way too strongly on this, but the reasons why are pretty understandable.

TheHuskyK9 said:
*Drops the mic*

I've been doing this for a few years now in my Pokémon fanfic series. And I'm no stranger to reading other authors do the same. It's somewhat commonplace after all. And it'll be so when I eventually illustrate my stories in some form.

Clawdragons said:
1) A lot of porn involves self-insertion. OCs help one person self-insert, but it can come at the cost of everyone else.
2) OCs in general are often poorly designed from a visual standpoint.
3) OCs are often poorly written.
4) Self-Insert OC's names are often immersion-breaking.

1: Not just porn. And some people will just use their real names for their OCs. I myself included, only I do state my reasons why.

2: Sometimes. When you see a muscular character with an outrageous hairstyle and disproportional weaponry, you've seen them all. You're basically pretending to be something you'll never be. But that's also why fantasizing about it is normal.

3. Not just poorly written, but sometimes made to be as godly as possible. Nothing wrong with strength, but if there are no apparent weaknesses or challenges for the character, it can get boring fast. It pays to keep this in mind so that there's some character depth, be it in written or artistic format.

4. Dan_vs sometimes is. But his somewhat hostile personality more than manages to distract me from that.

D4rk said:
When I dislike OCs, it's mostly their design, and mostly because they're too overdone (eyepatch, broken horn, giant wings, some orange anime hairstyle while having purple fur and what else not all together as example)

Got a couple of those clichés with the OCs I have in mind to illustrate one day. But I also have a few ideas that are either original enough or seldom executed, to make said characters stand out.

And just because something is clichéd, that doesn't mean that it's good. After all, how many times have we seen a form of good vs. evil in the media? We don't keep track of them so generically. We keep track of them by how different they make themselves be. A straight path can still have limitless possibilities.

If someone takes their time to draw their OC with cannon characters or pays someone with their money, so be it.
If people don't like it they can just look away and ignore it.
If people become a lazy douche pilot in the comments then report them and watch them get warned/banned.
Simple solution to a simple problem.

we can all agree that Tamati is a douchebag right

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
we can all agree that Tamati is a douchebag right

well I don't know his personality that well but again. I don't really care. I've seen him in some good pictures fucking some hot babes and that's good enough for me. I mean that's all that matters to me is that I see some hot porn.

Why you so jelly of that one OC?

Qmannn said:
How art is appreciated is relative. If the character owner felt that the suggested alterations were an improvement, they probably would not be contesting the notion. Why should they compromise their vision to satisfy the desires of people who are contributing nothing to the creation nor financing of their product?

I doubt it's always or even most of the time that the alterations are not an improvement, rather, it comes off as a slap to the face to the creator of the OC who thinks the character they have designed is the ultimate sexy badass that everyone wants and to tell them otherwise is too much of a reality check.

Y'know what I think is strange. In Asia the opposite seems to occur, at least when it comes to porn. Instead of the OC being a Mary Sue the character is intentionally someone we are meant to hate or make a mockery of the character they are paired with.

Ko-san said:
who thinks the character they have designed is the ultimate sexy badass that everyone wants and to tell them otherwise is too much of a reality check.

It's not as if they can be objectively wrong about that...

Knotty_Curls said:
I sure do wish I could fuck Knotty Curls

Me too.

Wait, I mean...

@TheHuskyK9
Your rap needs to be in some kind of prelude to your next album. Just you rapin' this stuff on Camera in front of your garage.

I'd watch that.

Kristal_Candeo said:

@TheHuskyK9
Your rap needs to be in some kind of prelude to your next album. Just you rapin' this stuff on Camera in front of your garage.

I'd watch that.

Don't forget a burning trash can, some shots being fired and a well visible italian sportcar or american SUV in the backround ;-)

GameManiac said: stuff

Yeah. There were a lot of angles and details I left out there but I was trying to give a quick overview, and I was worried it would become a giant wall of text.

I've done a reasonable amount of writing, and helping others with writing, and it's amazing how fast certain undesirable trends can pop up, especially when someone is just starting out. Same with comics, backstories, and so on. It is too easy to create a flat character.

Actually, I'm going to send you a PM. I have things I'd like to ask.

D4rk said:
Don't forget a burning trash can, some shots being fired and a well visible italian sportcar or american SUV in the backround ;-)

I got the trash can, a water gun, and a beat-up 2004 Volkswagen Passat that needs it's engine checked...close enough :V

2016 is the year of embracing hate!

The only OC line I have on my blacklist currently is fan_character male solo
as that pretty much precludes the masses of poorly designed, absurdly coloured pony OCs that exist simply to show off how huge their respective horsecocks are.

Lance_Armstrong said:
2016 is the year of embracing hate!

Translation:

We're going to make America great again!

(and while not from Murrika, if I were I am fairly sure I would be a Republican)

Sharp_Coyote said:
masses of poorly designed, absurdly coloured pony OCs that exist simply to show off how huge their respective horsecocks are.

Hear, hear!

Sharp_Coyote said:
The only OC line I have on my blacklist currently is fan_character male solo
as that pretty much precludes the masses of poorly designed, absurdly coloured pony OCs that exist simply to show off how huge their respective horsecocks are.

Hear him! It's truly terrible. It's worst on derpibooru, where the tagging is sparse and very subjective, so blacklists do very little indeed. I still enjoy MLP smut, but when a character has a cock the size of his leg (which seems to be the norm) it really breaks it for me.

Ryuzaki_Izawa said:
we can all agree that Tamati is a douchebag right

Nope. I don't "Keep an eye out" for something like that, so when I end up seeing the images he's in, I don't even realize it's him again. You a closet fetishist for him or something, that you're always keeping your eye out for him?

Seriously, if you don't like him, just blacklist and ignore, problem solved.

TheHuskyK9 said:
*beat starts*
Yo,
You talking 'bout dem OC's
Self inserts, from drawings to 3D
On FA, e6, and onto Inkbunny
Let me tell ya what I think, this is Huskyyy

When a character gets sexy in any way
Lots of dudes out there would tap it like it's a Friday
But when a dude goes out and get a commission made
When other dudes see it, they gon' feel the shade

There's a thing called fantasy
Ranging from clean to pretty damn nasty
Making the character go from nice to near classy
I don't know what's in their brain so don't even ask me
Textures go from smooth to pretty much glassy

When they see themselves in there, from their brain
They think their the chosen ones, their self-made
But when they see someone else right there, in their place
They gonna go from happiness to straight-up hate

They gonna bash it, trash it, throw it up and slash it
Make themselves feel better when they don't even have shit
Whether it's the owner or artist, they don't care
They'll hate on it, justifying it by saying it's fair

Dude, as a rap enthusiast, you blew me up. Nice job there. Be my master.

Clawdragons said:
Yeah. There were a lot of angles and details I left out there but I was trying to give a quick overview, and I was worried it would become a giant wall of text.

I've done a reasonable amount of writing, and helping others with writing, and it's amazing how fast certain undesirable trends can pop up, especially when someone is just starting out. Same with comics, backstories, and so on. It is too easy to create a flat character.

Actually, I'm going to send you a PM. I have things I'd like to ask.

Got the PM. Sent you a reply PM back.

And yes, it is too easy to create a flat character. And ultimately, it depends on the skill of an author and/or artist to portray that character to the best of their ability.

In the case of fur porn, it's basically a focus on enlarged genitalia and nothing but sex. Nothing wrong with that, but it leaves personality and (sometimes) passion to be desired.

∑asyZ said:
Dude, as a rap enthusiast, you blew me up. Nice job there. Be my master.

In order to rap, you must be the rap