I thought intersex was reserved for cboys and dickgirls, not herms. Can anyone clarify?

Knotty_Curls said:
I thought intersex was reserved for cboys and dickgirls, not herms. Can anyone clarify?

Intersex simply means between male and female (by dictionary, it is an abnormal condition, but this isn't politics). Herms and maleherms are between male and female literally.

Siral_Exan said:
Intersex simply means between male and female (by dictionary, it is an abnormal condition, but this isn't politics). Herms and maleherms are between male and female literally.

They aren't between, they're both. They are not synonymous.

Ratte said:
They aren't between, they're both. They are not synonymous.

Basically.

They definitely should not be implicated to each other.

Intersex is not technically accurate but it's been that way for years. It's a label for blacklisting/searching non-binary sexes and it serves the purpose well enough.

Blacklisting both herm and intersex is that difficult? :|

parasprite said:
Intersex is not technically accurate but it's been that way for years. It's a label for blacklisting/searching non-binary sexes and it serves the purpose well enough.

Like what Ratte said, considering they are invariably different enough to deserve their own tags to begin with implicating them will defeat the purpose of having them separately as it is.

After all mega form pokemon are considered separate enough to warrant not being implicated to their base forms or to each other.

Something as big as this definitely should not be either.

Also:

Ratte said:
Blacklisting both herm and intersex is that difficult? :|

Ratte said:
Blacklisting both herm and intersex is that difficult? :|

No, but keeping the two tags distinct is not worth the trouble just to be slightly more accurate.

parasprite said:
No, but keeping the two tags distinct is not worth the trouble just to be slightly more accurate.

Then. As I brought up earlier. Why keep mega forms separate and distinct from base forms with pokemon?

GDelscribe said:
Then. As I brought up earlier. Why keep mega forms separate and distinct from base forms with pokemon?

Maintaining herm/intersex is much more work than that irrelevant example.

Herms are intersex. That's all there is to it. If you want to blacklist intersex that aren't Herm, blacklist intersex -herm. I honestly prefer it this way.

Furrin_Gok said:
Herms are intersex. That's all there is to it. If you want to blacklist intersex that aren't Herm, blacklist intersex -herm. I honestly prefer it this way.

Herms are not intersex. Which we've already specified.

Lance_Armstrong said:
Maintaining herm/intersex is much more work than that irrelevant example.

How so?

Theres a clear distinction. Herm has both sets of parts.

Intersex by our tagging standard does not. It has one set.

You really think it's a good idea to put them together when there is a clear difference?

If so let's also get rid of the never used "maleherm" tag while we're at it because you guys seem to think THAT is somehow worth its own tag and upkeep?

GDelscribe said:
You really think it's a good idea to put them together when there is a clear difference?

There is also a clear difference between cuntboys and dickgirls. It would be rather useless as an umbrella tag otherwise.

GDelscribe said:
Herms are not intersex. Which we've already specified.How so?

Theres a clear distinction. Herm has both sets of parts.

Intersex by our tagging standard does not. It has one set.

Wrong. Intersex (here, at least) means having traits from both binary genders. Herms are the purest definition of that, having the genitals from both binary genders.

GDelscribe said:
Theres a clear distinction. Herm has both sets of parts.

Intersex by our tagging standard does not. It has one set.

Yep, that's wrong. Our tagging standard is that intersex is for characters that are neither male nor female.

GDelscribe said:
Herms are not intersex. Which we've already specified.How so?

Theres a clear distinction. Herm has both sets of parts.

Intersex by our tagging standard does not. It has one set.

You really think it's a good idea to put them together when there is a clear difference?

If so let's also get rid of the never used "maleherm" tag while we're at it because you guys seem to think THAT is somehow worth its own tag and upkeep?

As others stated herms are in fact intersex but not all intersex are herms. intersex generally means anything and everything between or outside the binary sexes(excluding neuter) both here and as specified in the wikipedia article on it its self. herms are just one of several forms that intersex has and still does cover here and irl, its the labeling of all intersex regardless of form as such that changed irl.
As for maleherms its not that much of a upkeep since the form is rather rare, none the less sence the community tends to default to a female base when creating hermaphrodite characters it would seem worth while having a tag to also find the masculine and truely androgynous forms, at least to me.

Worth noting that perfect hermaphrodite humans may not exist irl(yet) but there are intersex humans that have components of both male and female genitalia. the intersex tags are a combination of visible genitalia and secondary characteristics.

GDelscribe said:
Theres a clear distinction. Herm has both sets of parts.

Intersex by our tagging standard does not. It has one set.

This is incorrect. To my knowledge, intersex on this site has always been used as an umbrella term that encapsulates dickgirl, cuntboy, herm and maleherm. Upon looking up the site rules, I can confirm this as well.

To answer the original poster, it would seem that a herm implying an additional tag of intersex is already the norm for this site, so there's no problem.

https://e621.net/wiki/show/intersex

GDelscribe said:
If so let's also get rid of the never used "maleherm" tag while we're at it because you guys seem to think THAT is somehow worth its own tag and upkeep?

Well, the difference between a normal full herm and a male-herm, at least on F-List, is that a male-herm has a Cock and a Womb, but no Cleavage, while a full herm has Cleavage as well.

If intersex is in between, and herm is both...
Obviously we should use bisexual for herms.

Intersex is "neither male, neither female". Not between.

^ That's what the wiki begins by saying:

For a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female, this tag is appropriate

… but then clearly implies 'A and B' is what is actually intended, in the following paragraph:

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if a character is known to be intersex, but they are portrayed in a given image in a way that doesn't make this evident (only male or female organs and characteristics visible), then they are not tagged as intersex within that image, but as the apparent gender.

Yeah, I think the synopsis could use work.

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On a slightly different topic, if the intersex_* aliases end up being approved, it puts herm and maleherm in kind of a weird spot that would invite OP's question.

savageorange said:
^ That's what the wiki begins by saying:

mind you that tagline alone is rather ambiguous, "For a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female, this tag is appropriate" can stand for ether the figure being at some point between female and male or altogether outside as it is written presently, its not specific as to if they are between or outside...

Ratte said:
Blacklisting both herm and intersex is that difficult? :|

Why change it from one tag to two tags for no reason?

Any non binary gender is an in-between gender. Whether it's "male-herm," which is just a sub category of herm, or anything else.

This is just for simplicity of tagging, not for being PC. I say don't remove the implication, just clarify in the wiki.

Honestly just "For a character who is neither strictly male nor strictly female, this tag is appropriate" would work for the purpose of blacklisting non-binary genders, which this tag is explicitly for at this point.

I'm not trying to be PC, I'm trying to categorize. Dealing with intersex and herm genders and making them both separate from each other would alleviate a lot of the stress over cuntboy and dickgirl as tags. No matter what the suggestion or proposed solution, there seems to always be an issue regarding how intersex is handled or people not liking the specific replacement terminology for various reasons.

This proposal just makes the most sense to me.

Ratte said:
I'm not trying to be PC, I'm trying to categorize. Dealing with intersex and herm genders and making them both separate from each other would alleviate a lot of the stress over cuntboy and dickgirl as tags. No matter what the suggestion or proposed solution, there seems to always be an issue regarding how intersex is handled or people not liking the specific replacement terminology for various reasons.

This proposal just makes the most sense to me.

most of that stress is manufactured by people who are trying to be pc.

Beanjam said:
most of that stress is manufactured by people who are trying to be pc.

^

This, I can't push this nearly enough.
The stress is generally created in this department by people like Aurali, people that aren't themselves offended but get offended for people that they deem should be offended by these terms.

If the people that people like Aurali think should be offended were, in fact, offended there would be a real public outcry, not a thread that dies after a small few people like Aurali have loudly voiced their opinion and everyone else just gives up with being sensible with them and leaves the discussion because these people refuse to be sensible.