The 4th_of_July tag isn't the most common tag as it is, but people are tagging it for things that, in my opinion, aren't really relevant. I mentioned on post #935446 that some small, simple little things can make the tag, but then I realized: The American Flag, in and of itself, doesn't make it.
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This image, for example, just seems to be patriotic, not the fourth.
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Then we've got the Flag_Bikini, something that I haven't found an existing tag for and had to tag myself. People can see this as being patriotism or as a form of mockery, so I think we should just use the bikini tag and apply patriotism when it's relevant.

Should we really allow the Holiday tag on these posts, or add some rules to it?

I think 4th of July images need the event to be "happening", as judged, and imply with patriotic, because it is ultimately a show of true patriotism. As such, it just needs to be cleaned for images that are just patriotic, and (while I can't judge) images that are the 4th of July -type patriotism.

To try and judge: fireworks, not necessarily in colors of the flag; a crowd (I'm willing to say 5+, counting coupled people as one) of people; and outside. It doesn't need to be nighttime to have the tag.

Although the source used in the first image doesn't show it, it was first posted by the creator on July 4th. See this Tumblr post for the date. The same applies to the second image.

Jackalfag said:
Although the source used in the first image doesn't show it, it was first posted by the creator on July 4th. See this Tumblr post for the date. The same applies to the second image.

I don't think we should take the date into account.

As a non-Murrican, I'd say around 1/3 of the images tagged 4th_of_july should be re-tagged patriotism, as suggested by Furrin_Gok.

To keep it simple and direct, I believe any image tagged 4th_of_july needs to feature fireworks and the stars_and_stripes (or obviously supporting English_text).

The American flag on its own is not enough to warrant.
Same goes for the (posting) date alone, alcohol, firearms, or fireworks sans flag.

I am curious if any of the three other posters in this thread are American, themselves?

Don’t forget to consider the presence of fireworks. That’s a strong indicator.

I think the best course of action would be to consult Theodore Roosevelt’s ghost.

Sharp_Coyote said:
As a non-Murrican, I'd say around 1/3 of the images tagged 4th_of_july should be re-tagged patriotism, as suggested by Furrin_Gok.

To keep it simple and direct, I believe any image tagged 4th_of_july needs to feature fireworks and the stars_and_stripes (or obviously supporting English_text).

The American flag on its own is not enough to warrant.
Same goes for the (posting) date alone, alcohol, firearms, or fireworks sans flag.

I am curious if any of the three other posters in this thread are Murricans, themselves?

Handled right, fireworks and a group can still indicate the Fourth, but it's a bit more iffy.

I'm an American, yeah, and I'd like to see properly Fourth-referencing images under the tag, not these random Patriotic or just an Eagle images.

Whoops, missed this thread, so I'll just refer to my most recent post here:

post #935446

Basically, I concur with fireworks and a "Happy 4th of July" esque text needing to be present, as well as flag(s) or other stuff containing the Stars and Stripes. Or some combination thereof. Not fireworks alone though, that's too easy to mistake for New Year's Eve, and a lone flag is (as mentioned) at best just a display of nationalism.

Jugofthat said:
Not fireworks alone though, that's too easy to mistake for New Year's Eve ...

new_years posts also tend to have the obligatory 'happy new year' text, or the year itself contained in the image, and often the consumption of alcohol. While a few beers may go with 'the 4th' like PB n J, it is pretty safe to say that party drinking is much more prevalent on the 31st.

It seems the consensus so far is that a 4th_of_july post requires a combination of (at least) the stars_and_stripes and fireworks, with big_penis, bald_eagles, beer, and firearms being ... national pride lending itself to artistic license.

Any posts here that feature the American declaration of independence?

I feel as though fireworks are an almost necessary component to indicate an image is related to the Fourth of July, It very nearly could be that Fourth of July would imply fireworks, except for the rare cases where an image contains a calendar or other such thing which outright shows that it's the Fourth of July.

I feel as though, excluding images involving calendars and things, the tag should require fireworks, and at least one other indicator of American patriotism - flags, eagles, or something else.

By the way, there's also the tag independence_day. I feel like we should alias over to that, to avoid confusion over the date tag.

Furrin_Gok said:
By the way, there's also the tag independence_day. I feel like we should alias over to that, to avoid confusion over the date tag.

There are countries in the world other than the USA that observe an independence day, so if anything, this should be disambiguated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_independence_days

Sharp_Coyote said:
There are countries in the world other than the USA that observe an independence day, so if anything, this should be disambiguated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_independence_days

Are any of them popular enough that they'd end up being tagged frequently enough to cause a problem?