Topic: *_horn group?

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

Been thinking for awhile of partitioning for the horns tag to be made more specific by splitting it into certain basic types somewhat similar to the categorization of hair here but was wondering if such would be viable. I personally see it as a great help in narrowing down searches in particular for dragons and demons... just using the existing horn tag would apply to just about every dragon or demon so making categories would break such a large group down to something more reasonable i would think.

  • *color*_horn

PS: im aware that horns isnt exactly a priority but still wanna see if it be worthwhile starting to implement this for the future or if itl just get in the way i just think again that for certain species where they are the norm that simply adding horn alone is useless.

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For C_horn, I think "Crescent_horn" works better. Z_Horn could maybe be zig-zag_horn? That way we can also put "S" into it too.

Other than that... This appeals to me as a dragon fan. Dragons come with all sorts of horn shapes, sizes, and segmentedness.

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Furrin_Gok said:
For C_horn, I think "Crescent_horn" works better. Z_Horn could maybe be zig-zag_horn? That way we can also put "S" into it too.

Other than that... This appeals to me as a dragon fan. Dragons come with all sorts of horn shapes, sizes, and segmentedness.

thanks those names kinda slipped my mind^^ and glad you apreciate it but do you think it be a worthwhile project that wouldnt get in the way of anyone.

PS: Of cource no system can cover everything but this i do think covers most horns

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Looks nice. I think there is no problem to go ahead populating them. As a side note, I don't think it would be necessary to tag them on well-known copyright characters. Use them on original characters will serve their purpose.

I will keep in mind when doing some taggings (if ever).

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ZaSigma4 said:
Looks nice. I think there is no problem to go ahead populating them. As a side note, I don't think it would be necessary to tag them on well-known copyright characters. Use them on original characters will serve their purpose.

I will keep in mind when doing some taggings (if ever).

Why wouldn't we tag them on popular characters? Sometimes, people don't know what's popular, just that they had horns of a particular shape and size, if we didn't tag them, how would they find them?

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Furrin_Gok said:
Why wouldn't we tag them on popular characters? Sometimes, people don't know what's popular, just that they had horns of a particular shape and size, if we didn't tag them, how would they find them?

Sure, it is always better to tag every character.
My point is that you can judge whatever you want to spend time to tag thousands of same character, or just skip them. That's one way to keep motivation.

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Another thing to tick of the todo list (or at least mark as WIP)

See also forum #175968

General question: should we use singular or plural i.e. horn or horns? Personally I would use only one of them and not mix at all, no matter how many horns are actually visible/present/etc. Preferably horn in my opinion.

Important: We need to decide how to treat the following current tags, which IIRC are a bit of a mess:

As well as:

I don't like the name front_horn, since we got things like lucario or nose_horn, maybe not a big issue but still, though nothing better springs to mind. Maybe we could use the incredibly awkward forehead_horn if that was what was intended? It also feels pointless to tag this on unicorns, but whatever...

Should the new huge_horn be aliased together with the current big_horns?

ram_horn currently seems very random, so I don't know what to do with that. Same thing could be said about cow_horns and dragon_horns etc. E.g. unicorn_horn seems very subjective as well as pretty useless, unless what you want is just "one_horn"/"monohorn"/"unihorn"/etc (to separate it from unicorn).

blunted_horn currently exists for horns that have been neatly cut, while severed_horn is currently aliased to broken_horn. Thoughts on this?

Regarding crescent_horn, how do you separate:
post #917376 from post #286880
Or better question: Do we want such distinction?

Related is:

wing_spikes (21)

Needed implications and aliases:

2xEdit: "premature postulation".

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Chessax said:
Another thing to tick of the todo list (or at least mark as WIP)

See also forum #175968

hmm good read, didnt see that when i made this post, just one thing, not too keen on naming based off species if it can be helped but rather shape and place and in some cases visual propose.

General question: should we use singular or plural i.e. horn or horns? Personally I would use only one of them and not mix at all, no matter how many horns are actually visible/present/etc.

good question i was using singular because all multi_* tags where also singular when their propose is actually plural. plural for horns would be good since most who do have horns have at least 2 but that would conflict with nasal/nose horns and unicorns/uni_horn as they in most cases are purposefully singular...

Important: We need to decide how to treat the following current tags, which IIRC are a bit of a mess:

Well if by curly you mean making loops, then it be on its own as loop_horn(s) the other there would be aliased to curved_horn(s)

As well as:

devil_horn(s) would be aliased to demon_horn(s) as the devil is already a demon in of themselves. demon_horn(s) that would only account for stereotypical horns that stick out of the forehead would be implicated to front_horn(s)

I don't like the name front_horn, since we got things like lucario or nose_horn, maybe not a big issue but still, though nothing better springs to mind, maybe we could use the incredibly awkward forehead_horn if that was what was intended? It also feels pointless to tag this on unicorns, but whatever...

to be clear horns are only the bony or cartineous (or metallic/crystalline if you will) formations out of the head, what lucario has on his chest is not really a horn but rather a spike while those on the hands would be spurs or spikes. nasal/nose_horn(s) would be implied to front_horn(s). front_horn(s) was to be an implied tag that covers horns on both the nose and forehead.

crecent_horn -> crescent_horn (spelling alias)
strait_horn -> straight_horn (spelling alias)
nasal_horn (1) -> nose_horn (alternative)
unicorn_horn -> unicorn/horn? (very subjective/pretty useless)
stubby_horn -> short_horn ?

agree on the first 3, not so much on the 4th as there are character that arnt unicorn that do have a unicorn like horn. probably better to use uni_horn or one_horn so as not to be species specific.

As for stubby_horn(s) they are essentially the measurement equivalent of micro_penis to small_penis on size/length scale. they would cover horns that are just cones like those seen on some chibi demons or characters like Ramzkun or are pretty much just small tree stumps on the head.

Should the new huge_horn be aliased together with the current big_horns?

no to alias but it should be implicated, a alias would become problematic later if horn come up or are found to be too big to fit the big_horn(s) tag we have "big" and "huge" for both penis, tail and breasts among other things so why not horns.

ram_horn currently seems very random, so I don't know what to do with that. Same thing could be said about cow_horns and dragon_horns

Generally L shaped horns that visually show the propose of ramming a victim facing forwarded or up, bull horns would fall under this.

blunted_horn currently exists for horns that have been neatly cut, while severed_horn is currently aliased to broken_horn. Thoughts on this?

implicate blunted_horn(s) to broken_horn(s) as blunting the horn is essentially intentionally breaking the horn, cant do it the other way around as a broken horn isnt always blunt.

what do you think about differentiating between sharp tiped horn and rounded off or flat tiped horns
sharp_horn ~ blunt_horn

Regarding crescent_horn, how do you separate post #917376 from post #286880

humm... that. i dont know, not without a rather clunky tag. like is said above a fuw comments up no system is perfect and some are bound to fall thru

Needed implications and aliases:
  • horn
    • grey_horns (20) -> grey_horn (45) (quantity alias)
    • glowing_horns (8) -> glowing_horn (48) (quantity alias)
    • multicolored_horn (10)
    • beige_horns (2) -> tan_horn (2) (color alias)
    • golden_horns (1) -> golden_horn (2) (quantity alias)
    • silver_horns (2) -> silver_horns (quantity alias)
    • cyan_horn (1) -> cyan_horns (7) (quantity alias)
    • striped_horn (16)
    • nose_horn (61) (?)
    • curved_horn (44) / curled_horns (224) / curved_horns (76) / curly_horns (10) / curved_horn (44) / bent_horns (63) / twisted_horns (2)
    • ridged_horns (4) -> ridged_horn (32) (quantity alias)
    • ribbed_horns (2) (?)
    • sharp_horn (31)
    • broken_horn (274)
    • blunted_horn (27)
    • removed_horn (1)
    • blunt_horn (5)
    • strait_horn (24) -> straight_horn (0) (spelling alias)
    • smooth_horn (23)
    • spiral_horn (19)
    • front_horn (19)
    • crecent_horn (9) -> crescent_horn (0) (spelling alias)
    • zigzag_horn (8)
    • long_horns (24) -> long_horn (5) (quantity alias)
    • huge_horn (1)
    • big_horns (58)
    • short_horn (19)
    • small_horns (5) -> stubby_horn (3) -> short_horn
    • unicorn_horn (4), ram_horn (4), ram_horns (1), sheep_horns (1), cow_horns (12), dragon_horns (10)
    • tentacles_horns (1) -> tentacle_horn (quantity alias)
    • multiple_horns (7) -> multi_horn (2) (conformance alias, or other way)
      • quad_horn (7) -> 4_horns (1)
      • two_horns (4)
      • 5_horns (1)
    • one_horn (0)/monohorn (0)

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Or better question: Do we want such distinction?

not necessarily defining if the horn wraps around the ear or if it is free standing as in the 2 examples you posted but some distinction is worthwhile, its futile to cover every single type there is but we can cover the major types and basic characteristics like texture and size...

Related is:

wing_spikes (21)

not sure about including spiked_tail, chest_spike, shoulder_spikes, back_spikes or wing_spikes as they arnt actually horns nor are they in the area where the name applies thru i guess if most prefer we can add them.

as for head_spikes and face_spikes they do seem to be used for the same propose with some face_spikes actually being nasal/nose_horn(s) or demon_horn(s) ,would alias one to the other and clean it up. Alias cheek_spurs & jaw_spikes to cheek_spike(s) as both had/have and are used for the same propose. Probly also add a chin_horn(s) dont think that many have those thru

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