Aliasing dickgirl -> penisgirl
Aliasing cuntboy -> vaginaboy

Reason:

I'm proposing these aliases as safe measures. That is, breaking off the issues discussed in other threads and make minimal changes that we can do right now, to solve only the slur part of the issues. And afterwards, people can more easily argue about changing the gender hierarchy, and/or use aliases that fit that hierarchy better.

Yes, I'm aware that making this topic can be considered topic spam. I take full responsibility.

Edit: Changed pussyboy -> vaginaboy

Really, calling a boy a pussy is better...?

Better than calling a boy a cunt. Anyway, I thought about it for a while and decided that it's more important to be consistent with currently used pussy than any connotations with slang.

In the UK a pussy boy is usually a weak male that can't fight, sometimes coming with the connotation that they love to get fucked by men.

Siral_Exan said:
Really, calling a boy a pussy is better...?

Isn't pussy kind of like a standard tag here?

...yeah, let's not.
If you had read the main thread, you'd know that pussyboy is worse. Since it's actually commonly used as a slur in real life, unlike cuntboy.

Doomguy666 said:
Isn't pussy kind of like a standard tag here?

It's a quick association (slang, but it works more than the derogatory meaning), but using a derogatory word for cowards and weaklings is NOT an alternative to a derogatory word for a female or unpleasant/stupid person.

Delian said:
Better than calling a boy a cunt. Anyway, I thought about it for a while and decided that it's more important to be consistent with currently used pussy than any connotations with slang.

What Genjar said, (although cboy is used as a slur irl but thats not the point here as much)

Genjar said:
...yeah, let's not.
If you had read the main thread, you'd know that pussyboy is worse. Since it's actually commonly used as a slur in real life, unlike cuntboy.

Considering also there have been threads dedicated to changing pussy to other terms like vulva etc in very recent times, and the fact that there are more than 3 pages dedicated to discussing why tags like that would be bad, No.

Ok, I yield. vaginaboy then. I'll change the OP.

I've been speaking english for 15 years, and I've never heard the slang "pussy boy" before, so while I did read the other thread, I was not convinced. But if you still say it's super common, then I'll believe you.

You're still not addressing what was brought up. It was gone over in the thread, more than once if memory serves, that vulgarity was only a secondary issue, if an issue at all.

Delian said:
...I've never heard the slang "pussy boy" before...

I've never heard any of those variants outside of this context. How does that serve as evidence toward anything? They're terms that only exist for this purpose. If you can find that there's consistent and widespread usage of one term for, say, Buck Angel out there, maybe you have the beginnings of a case.

As for dickgirl, that's everywhere in porn, and it's by far the most standard term. Penisgirl is ludicrous, even in this sphere.

notnobody said:
As for dickgirl, that's everywhere in porn

Fortunately for us, e621 doesn't look up to other sites for these so-called "standards". Except Wikipedia.

But don't worry, even after dickgirl is aliased away, you'll still be able to search for shemale.

Please, thoroughly explain your logic for why vaginaboy and penisgirl would work. That way, it can be judged accordingly, as we have done with all of the other currently thought of possible alias names.

I'm willing to hinge my bets and say using genitalia at all to describe the gender of a character is more than enough to make people still disagree, as well as child-related pronouns. If we're on this site, we're not supposed to be boys and girls...

Delian said:
Fortunately for us, e621 doesn't look up to other sites for these so-called "standards". Except Wikipedia.

But don't worry, even after dickgirl is aliased away, you'll still be able to search for shemale.

Shemale was aliased to dickgirl, so you're actually searching dickgirl images by searching that.

This really doesn't address much in the way of complaints against those tags.

What's with people jumping the gun on this? At least the other one seemed to have a bit of support in the thread.

Clawdragons said:
This really doesn't address much in the way of complaints against those tags.

What's with people jumping the gun on this? At least the other one seemed to have a bit of support in the thread.

Delian seems to have missed the point of the other threads entirely and made this one because myself and a couple others disagreed with his (ridiculous) idea. I don't mean to be a pester but the whole reason this thread likely exists is to derail the topic and draw discussion away from the other more pertinent topic.

Also, this:

Siral_Exan said:
Please, thoroughly explain your logic for why vaginaboy and penisgirl would work. That way, it can be judged accordingly, as we have done with all of the other currently thought of possible alias names.

I'm willing to hinge my bets and say using genitalia at all to describe the gender of a character is more than enough to make people still disagree, as well as child-related pronouns. If we're on this site, we're not supposed to be boys and girls...

Delian I dont mean to be rude but if you'd read the other thread you'd already know that not only is this meant to be a non destructive change, all of those other old tags will still work, and they already have been aliased away in the same way.

I'm down for vaginaboy and penisgirl, even if they both sound kinda weird. It tells the user EXACTLY what each means in one single word without any sort of harsh words.

Though I will admit that vaginaboy and penisgirl sound like really corny adult super heroes.

Yet, details. This adds (a tiny amount of) clarity to the tags so I'm down with it for that reason and that reason alone as long as we change the "pussy" tag to vagina.

Frankly I've been wanting that tag tagged vagina for ages, it just seems so inappropriate to go around calling it a pussy considering how often that term is used in other ways.

I mean medical reports and stuff made for non-medical people refer to it as "vagina" not "pussy," when you see a diagram of it it's the "vaginal diagram" or "diagram of the vagina" not "pussy diagram" or "diagram of the pussy."

Pussy is just one of those short words that feels more harsh to use than the other option in this case, vagina.

I mean think about it. "Pussy canal" "Vaginal canal" or any similar thing, which sounds better when you say it out loud?

Siral_Exan said:
Please, thoroughly explain your logic for why vaginaboy and penisgirl would work.

As already explained in the OP, these are the minimal possible changes to remove the slur, without changing any other meaning or hierarchy. Logically, I claim that the new tags would work exactly as well as the old tags. It's not about changing how well they work, but only about removing the slur.

Furrin_Gok said:
Shemale was aliased to dickgirl, so you're actually searching dickgirl images by searching that.

I was trying to convey two facts to notnobody. First is, that searching for dickgirl would still work. And second, that dickgirl isn't really a standard, because of "shemale", which is also a word commonly seen "everywhere in porn" but was already aliased away.

Clawdragons said:
This really doesn't address much in the way of complaints against those tags.

There's two types of complaints against those tags. One is the slur, and the other one is the TWYS vs TWYK. Those are the two reasons that artists have problems with and they decide to go DNP. Was anyone offended, or went DNP because the tags didn't have exact enough meaning, because their posts couldn't be found, or because of tag hierarchy?

GDelscribe said:
because myself and a couple others disagreed with his (ridiculous) idea. I don't mean to be a pester but the whole reason this thread likely exists is to derail the topic and draw discussion away from the other more pertinent topic.

Ridicule me all you want.

GDelscribe said:
meant to be a non destructive change

If you had ever been a developer like me, then you would know that any change is dangerous. And how to properly manage this danger.

They sound like superheroes to me

I know you can be a bit more elaborate, Delian. From what made you think that this would be a good idea, to what makes you think people can't/won't mistag it, and anything in between. The slur tag thread was for spitballing ideas and making sure we had thoroughly processed it. Can you do that to yours?

-1

The tags function perfectly fine the way they are and I am yet to see a reason explaining how/why they don't. If "It's offensive." is your only argument, you don't have an argument.

We don't need 3 dozen threads on the same subject. This just splits up the discussion into pointless parts that are even worse to follow than a 23 page long thread.