Please don't lock this thread admins, just hear me out.

I just want to make it clear that, no, this isn't bait, i don't want to start a flamewar or cause drama, i just want to genuinely ask what the people think of this topic, and, no, this thread is not to talk ENTIRELY about feminism, this is more of a talk about MRA and whether or not there are legitimate male rights that need to be addressed. Are the MRAs Claims true, semi-true, over exaggerated, or flat out untrue? Which one is right, Feminism or MRA? Is there such a thing as "female privilege?", Male rape victims? False rape accusations? ETC. I want to hear what this community thinks about this because I’ve seen feminism and MRA talked about both on the forums and in the comment section. Plus, i think this is the most civil place to talk about this.

Again, I like to request that the admins refrain from locking this thread TOO quickly, unless things REALLY get too out of control. And I like to request that everybody to remain civil in this thread.

And one more thing, I know some of you will probably be shy about your opinion about this topic, just don't be afraid to let your voice be heard, just be civil about it.

Thank you.

And so it begins again.

These arguments tend to spiral downward pretty quickly. I'm not an admin so it's not my job to say, but don't be surprised if this gets locked rather soon.

Anyway, you can't assume one side is completely right or that one is completely wrong with this issue.

Feminists have a lot of legitimate grievances. So do MRAs. People need to respect that and stop treating the level of injustices they face like a contest to prove that their group has it the worst.

Fenrick said:
These arguments tend to spiral downward pretty quickly. I'm not an admin so it's not my job to say, but don't be surprised if this gets locked rather soon.

Anyway, you can't assume one side is completely right or that one is completely wrong with this issue.

Feminists have a lot of legitimate grievances. So do MRAs. People need to respect that and stop treating the level of injustices they face like a contest to prove that their group has it the worst.

Maybe i shouldn't worded as "which one is right" but then again i'm not to careful of my words.

So we know that both feminists and MRA have legitimate greivances, I just been noticeing the most vocal people of this topic have been one sided, (the MRA side, not that i'm judging or saying EVERYBODY on this site is.) i kinda wanna see their detailed thoughts on it, as well as other peoples thoughts on it.

Yeah, EightyNine, some might call this thread "Feminism? 3."

The fact youre asking the question at all means that you, like a lot of people, really have had the misfortune of being introduced to feminism through things like crazy radfems and sjw wierdos.

Lemme make this as simple and easy to understand as to ensure nobody gets this confused.

Feminism == Egalitarianism. THey mean the same thing. Its a movement for the desire for equality between the sexes.

Thats it. IT posits that the reason for a lot of what happens thats bad is a result of institutionalized sexism. That is to say, men and women both suffer at the hands of a system that tells them that things must be a certain way.

This is often characterized by the concept of toxic masculinity and where "the patriarchy" argument comes from. But ublike those tumblr sjws and radfems would have you believe this doesnt mean "men are evil" or "women are great" at all.

Think of it this way.

You get hurt, and you cry as a kid? IF youre a boy youre told that boys dont cry and to suck it up. Thats toxic masculinity. Thats the concept of what it is to "be a man" forced by society to the point of being harmful to men and women alike.

Because of this toxic masculinity in our society, we have several things disbalanced against men. And it all comes back to the idea that no matter what, a man has to be self sufficient, stoic and etc. The only acceptable traits for a "man" to have are stoicism, silent strength and reckless bravery because "men are the warriors" here to protect women from trouble because women get pregant and men are ultimately "disposable."

That bullshit wasn't made by feminism. Its what feminism wants to stop.

There are a lot of misandrists andsjw trash that just think that feminism means "female is better" or other ridiculous things like that.

Thats not the case. Feminism and Mens Rights Activism are the same things. Literally the same thing. They desire to get rid of the same problems and oftentimes dont realize that theyre the same because trolls, fake "feminist" alt righters, crazy sjws and radical feminazis have all polluted the meaning of the word feminism.

So dont think of it as feminists and mras.
Theyre both egalitarians who have been fighting against each other because it serves the interests of those who directly benefit from the power structures this system created.

I'm sorry if i have left that impression on you, GDelscribe.

But here's the thing, and yes i will admit, your argument was very logic and sound, but i could've sworn from previous threads is that the major consensus was that "feminism was NOT egalitarian and that MRA WAS egalitarian." <These are not my words, those are the words of most people on this site, and i'm pretty sure their not trolls, or Alt-righters. They also said that, yes, Feminism WAS about Gender rights, but that meaning of Feminism is basically DEAD. Just think about it, when have we heard of a more moderate feminist? The most "famous" feminist just so happens to have Twitter by the neck, (don't you say you don't know this person.)

I will be honest, i don't agree with both feminism AND MRA, because they seem to be two sides of the same coin, in that, the're both...to put it nicely...entitle. We have Feminists shouting "MISOGYNY!" and we have MRAs shouting "MISANDRY!", Feminists shout "MALE PRIVILEGED!" and MRAs Shout "FEMALE PRIVELEGED!" and ETC.

I cant' stand both of them!

(I know with the whole "slur Tags" thing that you have been accused of being a SJW and that you were trying to prove your not but
TRYING TO PROVE YOUR NOT THAT WAS NOT A CHALLENGE.)

I can assure you no offense was intended. ANd i dunno which person you actually mean. Because i dont use twitter mainly... Sorry I kind of live under a rock.

The perception of feminism has been immeasurably warped by people who jumped on the bandwagon in earnest hate for men and people who wished to derail the movement through subversive destructive action.

Its not so much that feminism is dead as much as people have made it virtually impossible to discuss the topic, or any topic related to it, without vitriol and it sucks.

I suppose think of it more this way. The radical feminists are a very very loud minority. They do everything they can to make sure only their voices are heard so the perception of everything gets skewed.

I know how bad it can be too. WHen i was an ignorant kid in high school i thought the same thing. Feminism is just some sort of bs to take men down a notch.

Its been perverted, if that makes sense?

Its not the impression you leave at all as much as the way the internet as a whole seems to think so. im sorry if i came off as accusatory.

hahahahahahahahahahaha not this shit again

I'm not a big fan of what passes for feminism these days. I mean, they talk about wanting equality but their actions show that they have no desire for actual equality, what they seem to really want is equal rights but not equal responsibilities, and that's not equality. Whenever Congress gets around to debating an "equal rights amendment" to the United States constitution, for instance, feminists are often among the loudest voices in opposition to the passing of such laws, because those laws would require women to sign up for selective service like men are required to do, and it would remove all differences between men and women in the legal system and treat all people the same, so women would no longer be able to play the system by claiming that a man they know fathered their child and get child support even after DNA testing proves that the man is not the father or other such things they can do presently. This suddenly requiring of females to be accountable to the same laws and punishments as men is the single biggest reason that feminists have opposed the Equal Rights Amendment in its various forms over the years.

Also, there are some feminists who are now pushing for the law to require a man who is accused of rape to prove that he did not commit the crime, which goes completely contrary to the way law in the United States works. I've lost friends for pointing out that a woman's word alone does not constitute proof that a man committed a rape against her and that if she accuses a man of raping her it is her job as the accuser to prove that he did commit the crime and not the other way around.

I don't know if this is what feminism was always about or not, but all too often they tend to harp on and on about things that are either not real or are so heavily oversimplified that their claims would be laughable if they weren't so popular.

My favorite such oversimplification is the wage gap. Yes, there is a difference between how much men make and how much women make on average, but when you take into account the kinds of work men do versus the kinds of work women tend to do, it becomes clear that what the feminists are continuing to go on and on about is how women doing less dangerous or even menial jobs aren't getting paid as much as men who do dangerous work that pays more because, well, it's dangerous. Would you expect a cashier at a McDonald's to make as much money as a construction worker building a skyscraper? And yet the feminists' arguments never take these things into account when they scream about "income inequality." It's really mostly a farce, and they just keep screaming about how horrible life is for women because it catches the attention (and the donations) of other people who hear their impassioned pleas and want to help. As far as I'm concerned most of what qualifies as "feminism" in this country is a scam with about as much real world benefit as Scientology.

GDelscribe said:
I can assure you no offense was intended. ANd i dunno which person you actually mean. Because i dont use twitter mainly... Sorry I kind of live under a rock.

The perception of feminism has been immeasurably warped by people who jumped on the bandwagon in earnest hate for men and people who wished to derail the movement through subversive destructive action.

Its not so much that feminism is dead as much as people have made it virtually impossible to discuss the topic, or any topic related to it, without vitriol and it sucks.

I suppose think of it more this way. The radical feminists are a very very loud minority. They do everything they can to make sure only their voices are heard so the perception of everything gets skewed.

I know how bad it can be too. WHen i was an ignorant kid in high school i thought the same thing. Feminism is just some sort of bs to take men down a notch.

Its been perverted, if that makes sense?

Its not the impression you leave at all as much as the way the internet as a whole seems to think so. im sorry if i came off as accusatory.

First I just want to say, I have mixed feelings about you. Ultimately I do respect you but I do have mixed feelings. Admittedly this IS a good thing. It allows me to learn and say point well made or look down at you and say you are ill informed.

That being said you point that Feminism and MRA has pretty much been perverted by the very very loud minority. This you are correct in, as I have some the less vocal and less known members of both side who do put up good points and that I respect deeply. But because the movements have been corrupted in this way I honestly believe both movements(And many many others) need to effectively end and just subscribe to egalitarianism as a whole.

OR at the very least the whole of the silent majority all stand up and publicly denounce the problematic members of their movement and leave them to the hungry wolves on a mountain top. Cruel yes but necessary, it'll be the only way to get the movements back on track and actually helping people to learn and actually fix the very real issues that everyone sweeps under the run with the non-issues.

Serperior09876 said:
Are the MRAs Claims true, semi-true, over exaggerated, or flat out untrue? Which one is right, Feminism or MRA? Is there such a thing as "female privilege?", Male rape victims? False rape accusations? ETC.

Yes there is female privilege and it is most often seen in court cases when a woman is to be convicted or in divorce cases.

Yes there is male victim rape don't let anyone tell you otherwise. They are often laughed at or called pussies. Not a good thing

And yes there indeed is false rape accusations, many would love to believe or have you believe there is no such thing and that if someone should come forward about being raped that you should just believe them. But really this is false and every time there is a false accusation it prevents real rape victims from coming forward. And all in all if there is a real case one should go to the police or the hostile as soon as goddamn fucking possible, to get a rape kit and get the dna of the fucker that raped them so the arsehole can go to fucking jail.

So yes MRA does have some very real concerns, both sides do in fact. It just that the vocal minority from both sides prevents these issues being known, and thus makes thing difficult to fix.

Holy Shit, the replies are coming in hot just now.

Anyways, no problem GDelscribe.

That feminist on Twitter i was talking about, back in February Twitter launch this clause thingy that was set up to "combat hate speech", they had 50 people in the counsel, one of them was a HUGE radfem: I think her name was "Anita Saarkem" or something who was also a HUGE anti-gamergater. So basically, that feminist has the power to censor people who disagree with her. That's why we had the #riptwitter hashtag.

Yeah i know Ryuzaki, it's like freaking limbo here, but i PROMISE you won't here about this topic on this website again, just as soon as i consider this thread complete.

The reason i created this thread is because recently i've been getting mixed signals of what to think about this topic, and i'm seeing it right now. We have GDelscribe say that Fems and MRAs are the same thing in that there both Egalitarian, and we have InannaEloah saying that the definition of Fems is a scam. Mixed signals. As soon as i get enough people to share their opinion on this matter i can get a consensus on the matter.

Here is a simple explanation: both genders are equally treated unequally.
It'd be a lot more productive if there was a singular gender rights group, or human rights group that helps both genders, rather than MRA and feminists having hissy fits at each other making zero progress on what they originally wanted to do.

Chaser said:
Here is a simple explanation: both genders are equally treated disequally.
It'd be a lot more productive if there was a singular gender rights group, or human rights group that helps both genders, rather than MRA and feminists have hissy fits at each other making zero progress on what they originally wanted to do.

Very much so! Hence my remark that both movements should just end and subscribe to egalitarianism.

...AND another two as i was making my last post. E621s Forums traffic must be in the afternoon in my time.

So far this thread has been very civil so far, then again this thread is only been here for a few hours so...

On United Gamers note, earlier this year there was a false rape accusation on a YOUTUBER, Tobuscas. Soon after a bunch of woman came up and said that Toby WASN'T a rapist, but that ended up revealing embarrassing Things about his relationship status, so, that one was REALLY peed me of.

I seem to be having a touch time keeping up with these replies...

We got another opinion that Fems and MRAs join together in one equality Movement, hm, doesn't sound like a bad idea.

I'm confident i will get a Consensus from this website, so far iv'e only seen one VERY pro Feminists on this site so, this website isn't THAT polarized.

We don't need "fems and mras to join together". That isn't even possible as they are both fundamentally hateful and abusive organizations - if they were interested in doing the right thing they would already be allies.

You people need to realize that names don't mean anything, because anyone can call themselves whatever they want. "Feminism" is just a good PR name for one of many factions of selfish assholes just like MRA, Republican, Democrat, etc. etc. and not a one of them wants to free anyone from tyranny - they want to be the one on the throne.

Until you can see past the illusion of unity and the fallacy that in any argument someone must be right, this discussion will go nowhere and society will not improve.

Serperior09876 said:
[..]Which one is right, Feminism or MRA?[..]

TL;DR- It's less about which one is 'right', and more about the bigger picture- why such issues exist in the first place of so-called 'modern' 'civilization'

Chaser said:
Here is a simple explanation: both genders are equally treated unequally.
It'd be a lot more productive if there was a singular gender rights group, or human rights group that helps both genders, rather than MRA and feminists having hissy fits at each other making zero progress on what they originally wanted to do.

Assuming you genuinely are curious,
pretty much what @Chaser said there IMO

This false dichotomy tendency, paired with straw 'feminists etc
- demanding that every other group either be exiled to Antarctica,
or mashed into a sociopolitical slurry of monoculture and rights -

creates a situation of keeping people in a perpetual state of confusion/dissent.
Hence the present situation when the average person brings up such topics for serious discussion

I knew I was opening a can of worms when i started this thread but, this is getting little bit deep.

FibS, i geuss your right. it's a loophole of constant arguing and intolerance to each other. The furry fandom has those problems too, with the "Pro-Cub vs Anti-Cub" rhetoric that's so bad we can't keep each other from at each others necks, (i might make a thread on that subject.)

We live in a "man vs woman" because of this shit.

There's still some key people that haven't posted on this thread yet, a couple of admins, a few high level members, some regular members.

I'll give it some time.

Serperior09876 said:

I knew I was opening a can of worms when i started this thread but, this is getting little bit deep.

yeah... intentional or not anything MRA or femina...femiNIST (they really need to change that dictionary definition so it more accurately describes them cause currently, it's very incorrect.) is a fire waiting to happen these days.

The furry fandom has those problems too, with the "Pro-Cub vs Anti-Cub" rhetoric that's so bad we can't keep each other from at each others necks, (i might make a thread on that subject.)

ಠ_ಠ the "anti" side of that topic like to think that works of fiction are equally bad as someone performing such acts on a irl child. i'm pretty sure they're wrong.

We live in a "man vs woman" because of this shit.

eeyup... laws are increasingly biased against men on this matter. and i don't mean just the divorce court stuff. in some parts of europe (britain?) misandry is illegal. and that basically means, anything the female in question decides is misandry is illegal. even something as harmless as a random person saying hi or complimenting a woman walking down the street. yep, say hello to mr. "fines" and mr. "jail".

you can check out SargonofAkkad's videos for more on this. as well as his subreddit /r/SargonofAkkad. >.> though lately things have gotten more political due to the elections here in the US but go back a few months on his videos and he covers feminist related things a lot.

anywho...i haven't really looked into the MRA side of things all that much so i don't know as much about them.

i think the single best word to describe the world these days is "clusterfuck". because it doesn't matter which way you look, there's a problem and it's usually one of epic shitstorm proportions.

unfortunately...i think it best i watch what isay on the forums here. less risk of a neg record to speak via PM. -_- that said however, i doubt the admins mind drama much anymore if that 5 month long thread about words people let offend them is any indication.

GDelscribe said:Feminism == Egalitarianism. THey mean the same thing. Its a movement for the desire for equality between the sexes.

lol well, it was like that years ago but like you pointed out in your 2nd post here, it's long since changed from that goal. heck, i think i remember hearing somewhere that some actual feminists no longer want to be called such due to what it's become over the years.

oh and let us always remember:

me: *calls out a random feminist on her misandrist BS*

random feminists response: MISANDRY IS NOT REAL, IT DOESN'T EXIST!

yes...yes it is and does and you bad feminists (known as feminazis) prove it every single day with you hatred of all things male and masculine.
---------------------

fun fact: both the feminazis AND SJWs have gone so far as to reach kids so young as to be in kindergarten with their vile propaganda.

feminazis: don't want your kids to be sexist? teach them how to be sexist.

SJWs: don't want your kids to be racist/xenophobic/etc.? teach them how to be racist/xenophobic/etc.

that's how the logic goes and i'm pretty sure that "fight fire with fire" method doesn't work with these things so much as it makes them far worse.[/section]

Treos, your a living example why the wounds will never heal.

Your one of those people that we've been talking about being all like "MY SIDE IS BETTER!", closing yourself off from people you don't agree with doesn't help either. So far the Consensus is that BOTH Fems and MRAs have REAL issues, but that their BOTH are very intolerent to each other. YOU have refused to acknowledged the other sides problems. I think if we want to heal the wounds, we have to HELP EACH OTHER.
You know, DEMOCRACY.

Their are things that i fully agree with you. 1: Yes SJWs and Feminazis are a REAL PROBLEM. 2: Yes, the Anti-cub has no real arguments for banning Cub. But not listening to the other side is not how you debate.

And finally, No, i'm pretty sure SJWs don't have influence in our education. Like i said, SJWs are a real problem, but their not the fucking Illuminati.

Well, you do have the tendency to go down the slipper-slope route, considering of your choice of news media. (NO OFFENCE.)

Serperior09876 said:
Well, you do have the tendency to go down the slipper-slope route, considering of your choice of news media. (NO OFFENCE.)

I don't know I watch Sargon too(And Styxhexenhammer, That guy T, and Vee) I like to think my ideal are pretty well rounded. Or just plain dead center from everyone else.

Honestly if its a choice of Sargon vs the Lamestream media give me Sargon.

And finally, No, i'm pretty sure SJWs don't have influence in our education. Like i said, SJWs are a real problem, but their not the fucking Illuminati.

Actually there are teachers in schools teaching kids about "white privilege" "institutional racism" and distrust in cops and this, that and the other thing, which objectively is very VERY wrong, that shit is really damaging for children.

I do classify them as SJW's but I suppose that is up for debate if ever so slightly. But fact still stands, children are being indoctrinated, tormented and yes I would dare say even abused by their teachers which is wrong and should be illegal if its not already. I mean we already see its effect on impressionable college students who don't even know what it is they are being taught, could you imagine that horror that would come from young children? The effects will be devastating if the parents aren't able to do something about it or calm their children down.

My last post might have been a little rude so i apologise, no hard feelings Treos.

i understand that their are people who are very passionate about this issue, and that they are very frustrated about it, giving the appearance of being aggressive and intolerant. I know people like treos aren't really like this, their personality is NOT based on lashing out on people. If i ever have to know that a woman can rape me and nobody would take me seriously, not even the judges, i would probably be lashing out too every once and a while. I know that Treos is a good guy.

We live in a very divided world.

I just hope that one day that i will get to see a feminist and a MRA shake hands.

Serperior09876 said:
My last post might have been a little rude so i apologise, no hard feelings Treos.

i understand that their are people who are very passionate about this issue, and that they are very frustrated about it, giving the appearance of being aggressive and intolerant. I know people like treos aren't really like this, their personality is NOT based on lashing out on people. If i ever have to know that a woman can rape me and nobody would take me seriously, not even the judges, i would probably be lashing out too every once and a while. I know that Treos is a good guy.

We live in a very divided world.

I just hope that one day that i will get to see a feminist and a MRA shake hands.

....No. You had plenty of time to think before you posted. It's your fault that you posted. This is why we rarely have discussions like this, because there are bound to be outbursts like that.

I know, Mainstream media is not perfect, i know for a fact that the media will more likely cover something negative than then to cover something positive because it gives them more revenue, feeding of the fears of people and making the world seem more dark, dangerous, and negative. If you trust more anti-mainstream media than, that's fine, i won't judge you.

Learning these facts about what these schools are doing to children is too hard to take in. There's a lot of facts i wish i didn't know.

Again, I Apologize, I learned my lesson, i won't be so aggressive next time, even if they say something i don't agree with. I will look at things more objectively.

I know that Treos is a hard working american.

This is possibly the most deep thread i've ever seen.

Serperior09876 said:
Learning these facts about what these schools are doing to children is too hard to take in. There's a lot of facts i wish i didn't know.

Believe me I wish I didn't know either, but we all need to be open to learning and swallowing hard truths if we are to build a consensus and tackle this problem.

For at least the next 12 hours i won't be posting cause i need to sleep so, please be civil while i'm gone.

Serperior09876 said:
Treos, your a living example why the wounds will never heal.

Your one of those people that we've been talking about being all like "MY SIDE IS BETTER!"

nowhere in my post did i say anything like that.

closing yourself off from people you don't agree with doesn't help either.

if i'm closing myself off from anything it's the complete and utter madness that are SJWs, feminazis, and well...religion. >.> i think i'm doing myself a favor in doing that.

So far the Consensus is that BOTH Fems and MRAs have REAL issues, but that their BOTH are very intolerent to each other.

intolerant...that's putting it mildly.

YOU have refused to acknowledged the other sides problems.

no, i'm well aware that both sides have issues. though the MRA side seems a fair bit less crazy to me.

I think if we want to heal the wounds, we have to HELP EACH OTHER.
You know, DEMOCRACY.

-_- we narrowly avoided WWIII thanks to democracy this year. currently, democracy may be pushing things a tad far.

SJWs: 1. they are quite literally insane. 2. they are unimaginably STUPID. 3. they use their propaganda and ideology to fuck with ANY and EVERYONE'S minds. 4. they are cult-like which would be dangerous in any situation.

they are cancer plain and simple. the sooner that garbage is purged the sooner we can move onto other matters.

feminazis: put simply, they are female supremacists. where do you want me to begin?

and for MRAs, i already said i don't know as much about that movement. that doesn't mean i'm closing myself off to them, it means i do not know that much about them.

college...college may as well be a lost cause till the SJWs are gone. those places are pretty much feminist/SJW indoctrination camps currently...with more falling all the time.

if i'm closing myself off to anything it's the complete and utter madness consuming this world.

i'm just glad i don't live in New York or canada where you get a hefty fine and/or jail time for guessing incorrectly on someones preferred pronoun (now THAT is insane).may as well carry around a notebook full of lists of pronouns and hope you somehow don't guess incorrectly with that BS.

or in some parts of...what was it, britain? where misogyny is illegal. FYI misandry in that case is pretty much whatever a woman wants it to be.

it'd be nice if we lived in a peaceful SANE world but unfortunately we don't.

edit: InannaEloah, i wish i could up vote that post.

Serperior09876 said:
I know, Mainstream media is not perfect, i know for a fact that the media will more likely cover something negative than then to cover something positive because it gives them more revenue, feeding of the fears of people and making the world seem more dark, dangerous, and negative. If you trust more anti-mainstream media than, that's fine, i won't judge you.

I'm more concerned with mainstream media repeatedly lying and twisting facts to push a narrative than reporting negativity.

I seriously think we need to lock this thread. It has basically become a ticking time bomb.

egalitarianism...wasn't that one of the movements SJWs tried to take over or something? i think i remember hearing of a few groups that fell to the SJW plague.

edit: just remembered something about feminists. guess who likes islam. >.>

Serperior09876 said:
I know that Treos is a hard working american.

well...not really...

Neither men nor women are oppressed. That is a heck of a strong word to use, and definitely does not apply in this case.

Both men and women have some issues which in which they are disadvantaged over the the other.

Both MRAs and feminists have some whackos supporting their cause.

My opinion is that the intersection between "people who have a moderate and rational stance on these issue" and "people who like to talk about this issue" is incredibly small.

I'd be more willing to deal with the aforementioned radical or wonky viewpoints if they weren't brought up everywhere constantly. To me, this entire conversation can be summed up as "please, not here too".

I'm oppressed by people using the term "oppression" to describe inconveniences in a first world society.

Men have their issues and women have their issues. In my experience, the majority of feminists and some men's rights activists just want a victim complex and special status for pretending to represent something. Neither inherent causes are wrong, there's always more that can be done. It's the jackasses on both sides that are wrong and stagnate our ability to make further progress.

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
I'm oppressed by people using the term "oppression" to describe inconveniences in a first world society.

We were a 'first-world society' when we kept black slaves

We were a 'first-world society' when we imprisoned over 100,000 people for looking too Japanese

We are a 'first-world society' while we ban people from taking a shit in the same place as everyone else because their personality doesn't match their genitals and make our factions out of smear campaigns based on what everyone else is doing wrong instead of what to do right

Don't ever fucking act like 'first-world' means oppression is less important, the U.S. is just as barbaric and corrupt as any other nation, it's just slightly better at pretending it isn't

Any nation that idolizes Anita Sarkeesian and Trump is not too civilized to be retarded

FibS said:
...the U.S. is just as barbaric and corrupt as any other nation, it's just slightly better at pretending it isn't

So you're saying the US is just as barbaric and corrupt as the Democratic Republic of the Congo?

FibS said:
We were a 'first-world society' when we kept black slaves

We were a 'first-world society' when we imprisoned over 100,000 people for looking too Japanese

We are a 'first-world society' while we ban people from taking a shit in the same place as everyone else because their personality doesn't match their genitals and make our factions out of smear campaigns based on what everyone else is doing wrong instead of what to do right

Don't ever fucking act like 'first-world' means oppression is less important, the U.S. is just as barbaric and corrupt as any other nation, it's just slightly better at pretending it isn't

Any nation that idolizes Anita Sarkeesian and Trump is not too civilized to be retarded

I'm with BlueDingo on this one.
Holding any nation from even just five decades ago to modern standards will make just about any of them look pretty awful in a lot of ways. And the modern issue with the bathroom bill is only an issue in Indiana if I recall correctly

The real reason the USA is barbaric is because they still haven't switched to metric.

Munkelzahn said:
The real reason the USA is barbaric is because they still haven't switched to metric.

I like being able to divide my measurements into thirds without using fractions

Fenrick said:
I like being able to divide my measurements into thirds without using fractions

I like being able to convert between different units of measurement without a calculator.

Fenrick said:
I'm with BlueDingo on this one.
Holding any nation from even just five decades ago to modern standards will make just about any of them look pretty awful in a lot of ways. And the modern issue with the bathroom bill is only an issue in Indiana if I recall correctly

I agree, and I think it's damn irresponsible to do so. Even that short awhile ago it was a different time, the world had different ideas of what constituted appropriate precautions, and where does this holding to modern standards end really? If we can hold the USA accountable today for the holding of Black (and Native, and White) slaves 200 years ago, why can't we also hold modern-day Jews accountable for the genocides listed in the Book of Joshua? It is supremely irresponsible and dare I say unreasonable to hold peoples and nations who lived and died in a totally different time to today's standards.

InannaEloah said:
If we can hold the USA accountable today for the holding of Black (and Native, and White) slaves 200 years ago, why can't we also hold modern-day Jews accountable for the genocides listed in the Book of Joshua?

Or Muslims for all the slavery they've done over the last 1500 years?

Feminism isn't egalitarian. Feminism is getting more rights for women, hence FEMinism

Munkelzahn said:
The real reason the USA is barbaric is because they still haven't switched to metric.

That's no reason to call America barbaric.

BlueDingo said:
Or Muslims for all the slavery they've done over the last 1500 years?

We're getting off topic. Don't start shit, please. Thank you.

I don't really know whether or not the media is biased or not, maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I don't really know. Although, I feel like there have been stories that the media simply ignored. (Can you give me some examples of the media lying or twisting up the truth, I will appreciate it.)

Huh, I find it weird that a FEMINIST is EXTREMELY pro Islam, considering that Islam is, well, to put it nicely, doesn't do well with women.

I know, the USA is not perfect, but it is still a LOT better than it used to be and still better than other countries. We made lots of progress. So saying that the US is "perfectly fine" or "in a shitty situation" is both incorrect.

Melissa_R said:
Feminism isn't egalitarian. Feminism is getting more rights for women, hence FEMinism

As it stands thats a fallacy. AS Id brought uo earlier.

Though as it seems most people would prefer to argue or remain uneducated on the matter and yet act like they know everything Im just gonna stay out of this thread from here on in.

Its very obvious and clear there are already people trying to derail the topic and the vitriolic bs isnt something worth getting up in a huff over.

I really think we need to lock this topic before it's too late.

See, i don't know who to trust anymore.

"Is feminism egalitarian or is it not?"

"Should i trust the media or should I not?"

I don't think both republicans and democrats will take these issues seriously. I don't even think these issues will make it to the debate stage.

FibS said:
We were a 'first-world society' when we kept black slaves

We were a 'first-world society' when we imprisoned over 100,000 people for looking too Japanese

We are a 'first-world society' while we ban people from taking a shit in the same place as everyone else because their personality doesn't match their genitals and make our factions out of smear campaigns based on what everyone else is doing wrong instead of what to do right

Don't ever fucking act like 'first-world' means oppression is less important, the U.S. is just as barbaric and corrupt as any other nation, it's just slightly better at pretending it isn't

Any nation that idolizes Anita Sarkeesian and Trump is not too civilized to be retarded

So america is on the same level as say...Somalia or Noth korea? Or are your panties in a knot because we arent the retarded super liberal progressive orgy you dream about.

Please keep this thread civil guys.

I don't care about feminism or the like.

I practice and care about equality regardless of things someone is born with or what someone is born as.

Similarly I judge people based on their willful choices. I pick my friends and loved ones based on their choices and personality.

I also treat people differently based on their choices and personality. The absolute fact of the matter is different people want to be treated differently, it's their job to communicate that, whether through attitude, personality, or outright saying it and it's my job to treat the how they want to be treated as long as they extend the same to me.

Yet I'm not just going to treat a guy like "one of the guys" just 'cause he's a guy. I'm not going to treat a gal "like a gal" just 'cause she's a gal. I'm going to try to treat them in a way that they're communicating with me they want to be treated.

It doesn't take much effort to learn about people and be a bit empathetic. People present themselves a certain way and that can give you a lot of clues. Someone dressed plainly in nondescript clothing such as jeans, t-shirt, and shoes just wants to be treated like a person and with some respect, regardless of gender.

Someone that looks good, but not flashy, wants to feel good about themselves but isn't trying to draw attention, so just treat them like a normal person, be casual and a little personable if you need to interact with them and you'll do great.

Seriously, just put all this talk of fem this man that behind you and treat people with respect. If they don't show you respect back don't freak out on them, just smile and go on with your way, or if you run into them a lot just respectfully say that you don't like how they're treating you and that you'd like them to stop.

Don't be conflicting, don't accuse them of trying to annoy you, don't go out of your way to make them unhappy. Just move on with your life, a day, a week, whatever, isn't worth feeling as though it's ruined due to someone that won't respect you as a person.

AnotherDay said:
I don't care about feminism or the like.

I practice and care about equality regardless of things someone is born with or what someone is born as.

Similarly I judge people based on their willful choices. I pick my friends and loved ones based on their choices and personality.

I also treat people differently based on their choices and personality. The absolute fact of the matter is different people want to be treated differently, it's their job to communicate that, whether through attitude, personality, or outright saying it and it's my job to treat the how they want to be treated as long as they extend the same to me.

Yet I'm not just going to treat a guy like "one of the guys" just 'cause he's a guy. I'm not going to treat a gal "like a gal" just 'cause she's a gal. I'm going to try to treat them in a way that they're communicating with me they want to be treated.

It doesn't take much effort to learn about people and be a bit empathetic. People present themselves a certain way and that can give you a lot of clues. Someone dressed plainly in nondescript clothing such as jeans, t-shirt, and shoes just wants to be treated like a person and with some respect, regardless of gender.

Someone that looks good, but not flashy, wants to feel good about themselves but isn't trying to draw attention, so just treat them like a normal person, be casual and a little personable if you need to interact with them and you'll do great.

Seriously, just put all this talk of fem this man that behind you and treat people with respect. If they don't show you respect back don't freak out on them, just smile and go on with your way, or if you run into them a lot just respectfully say that you don't like how they're treating you and that you'd like them to stop.

Don't be conflicting, don't accuse them of trying to annoy you, don't go out of your way to make them unhappy. Just move on with your life, a day, a week, whatever, isn't worth feeling as though it's ruined due to someone that won't respect you as a person.

I agree.

It's a shame that most people don't have that mentality.

I am NOT getting involved in this shitstorm

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

*NOPEs OUT WINDOW*
*in the distance*
_{nope nope nope}

>Doesn't want to start a shitstorm
>topic called 'Oppressed Males'

lmao. I can hear SJWs foaming in rage. top kek mate. 10/10 would laugh again.

FurryMcFuzzball said:
I am NOT getting involved in this shitstorm

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

NOPE

*NOPEs OUT WINDOW*
*in the distance*
_{nope nope nope}

You revived this thread, just to say you weren't getting involved? I'm confused.

Thirtyeight said:
You revived this thread, just to say you weren't getting involved? I'm confused.

Don't insult the good name of fellow two-digit numbers by making baseless accusations like that.

EightyNine said:
Don't insult the good name of fellow two-digit numbers by making baseless accusations like that.

I ship you two. Your name as a pair is hereby onetwoseven

Patchi said:
>Doesn't want to start a shitstorm
>topic called 'Oppressed Males'

lmao. I can hear SJWs foaming in rage. top kek mate. 10/10 would laugh again.

Why thank you.

I have another one coming soon, but a bit less political.

Serperior09876 said:
Why thank you.

I have another one coming soon, but a bit less political.

Try not to post about politics. This isn't the site for that type of stuff. I was gonna lock this one but peeps have been somewhat rational

TheHuskyK9 said:
I was gonna lock this one but peeps have been somewhat rational

I never understood why mods draw the line at hostility. I don't personally get hostile, but it always seemed a little overbearing when one stepped in because someone threw out an insult. Does going easier make the environment shift over time, or is it just "no one wants to see you acting like a five year old, so shut it"?

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
I never understood why mods draw the line at hostility. I don't personally get hostile, but it always seemed a little overbearing when one stepped in because someone threw out an insult. Does going easier make the environment shift over time, or is it just "no one wants to see you acting like a five year old, so shut it"?

no one wants FeFe's hurt

werewolfscanbegaytoo said:
I never understood why mods draw the line at hostility. I don't personally get hostile, but it always seemed a little overbearing when one stepped in because someone threw out an insult. Does going easier make the environment shift over time, or is it just "no one wants to see you acting like a five year old, so shut it"?

We just don't want users bickering and fighting with each other. It's unnecessary. It's like when two drunk dudes are about to fight, you tell them to go outside with that mess, not in the bar where others are trying to enjoy their time there.

TheHuskyK9 said:
It's like when two drunk dudes are about to fight, you tell them to go outside with that mess, not in the bar where others are trying to enjoy their time there.

huh, good analogy of how things work here.

RusterFuck said:
no one wants FeFe's hurt

Who the heck is FeFe?

Serperior09876 said:
Who the heck is FeFe?

... *facepalm* ...feelings...

treos said:
... *facepalm* ...feelings...

OH SHIT! My bad. That's embarrassing on my part.

He kinda capitalized the two "F"s and put a "'" before the "S" so i thought it was a name.

Serperior09876 said:
OH SHIT! My bad. That's embarrassing on my part.

He kinda capitalized the two "F"s and put a "'" before the "S" so i thought it was a name.

i dont need no stinkin english

lol