So in some pictures, I actually get more aroused imagining myself as the female character despite being male. It's gotten to the point where I'm very curious about what a female body would feel and be like. I don't think I'm transgender, but I feel like it's a little strange so I'm confused about myself.

For the record, I was born and (currently) identify as male. I think I'm pansexual, but again, not completely sure.

I'm just wondering, does anyone else feel the same way?

I think everyone experiences some kind of curiosity about the body of the opposite sex at least once in their life.

I wouldn't mind being able to stand to pee without consulting a plastic apparatus.

Ratte said:
I think everyone experiences some kind of curiosity about the body of the opposite sex at least once in their life.

I wouldn't mind being able to stand to pee without consulting a plastic apparatus.

On the bright side, you don't have to deal with morning wood! I just feel like I'm a little too curious, if that makes sense?

I suppose this isn't entirely the best place to post this, and in the end only I can say who I am. I told one of my friends and she said she accepts me for whoever I am (she is trans herself).

404dotexe said:
On the bright side, you don't have to deal with morning wood! I just feel like I'm a little too curious, if that makes sense?

I suppose this isn't entirely the best place to post this, and in the end only I can say who I am. I told one of my friends and she said she accepts me for whoever I am (she is trans herself).

And you don't have to deal with the possibility of pregnancy. :V

But honestly I don't really think this is anything terribly abnormal.

404dotexe said:
So in some pictures, I actually get more aroused imagining myself as the female character despite being male. It's gotten to the point where I'm very curious about what a female body would feel and be like. I don't think I'm transgender, but I feel like it's a little strange so I'm confused about myself.

For the record, I was born and (currently) identify as male. I think I'm pansexual, but again, not completely sure.

I'm just wondering, does anyone else feel the same way?

Bruh I do the same shit.

Gender tf and female pov are some of my favorite shit.

Just a couple of other things to add, and thanks for the responses.

1. I haven't had the opportunity to, but I am very curious about crossdressing.

2. Don't know if it's related, but up until I was about 6 years old I rarely saw my mother. And since I was 6, I've never seen her again. I'm an only child too.

This is pretty much the primary fantasy among my circle of friends - myself included.

I'd be happy as a male or as a female.

I sometimes refer to myself as genderfluid / bigender. Sort of a "mix of the genders" scenario. Some people don't like such descriptors, but hey, what can you do? I'm easygoing so I don't mind if someone calls me male, female, or whatever.

Clawdragons said:
This is pretty much the primary fantasy among my circle of friends - myself included.

I'd be happy as a male or as a female.

I sometimes refer to myself as genderfluid / bigender. Sort of a "mix of the genders" scenario. Some people don't like such descriptors, but hey, what can you do? I'm easygoing so I don't mind if someone calls me male, female, or whatever.

If I considered myself an alternate gender, that would most likely be it. I'm pretty chill too!

If I had the opportunity, I'd probs crossdress

I don't think sexual orientation and identity are at all related. I'm Pan-Ace and cis male for example. I'll admit that I'd be wearing a dress if it were more accepted, but the same can be said of Ex-US-President Woodrow Wilson.

404dotexe said:
On the bright side, you don't have to deal with morning wood!

As if that's anywhere near as bad as the possibility of getting kicked in the nads

Fenrick said:
As if that's anywhere near as bad as the possibility of getting kicked in the nads

honestly i'd willingly trade my regularly scheduled monthly period cramps (which btw often hurts about as much as freshly broken spine) to the slight possibility of getting nuts kicked.

Mutisija said:
honestly i'd willingly trade my regularly scheduled monthly period cramps (which btw often hurts about as much as freshly broken spine) to the slight possibility of getting nuts kicked.

Don't be a tall person, then. The likelyhood of getting hit in the gonads by chairs, little kids, adults who think they can Kung Fu, and things at or slightly higher than your groin increases.

Siral_Exan said:
Don't be a tall person, then. The likelyhood of getting hit in the gonads by chairs, little kids, adults who think they can Kung Fu, and things at or slightly higher than your groin increases.

lmao im tiny, shorter than 160cm so it would not be an issue. can i already trade my ovaries for balls?

Mutisija said:
honestly i'd willingly trade my regularly scheduled monthly period cramps (which btw often hurts about as much as freshly broken spine) to the slight possibility of getting nuts kicked.

The possibility of ball-busting has some small impact on every single decision that their owners make, from how they sit down to whether a flail is a good choice of weaponry.

In all seriousness, it's not as unlikely as you'd expect, and when it does happen (and it will happen), well, that's a critical hit if there ever was one

Fenrick said:
The possibility of ball-busting has some small impact on every single decision that their owners make, from how they sit down to whether a flail is a good choice of weaponry.

In all seriousness, it's not as unlikely as you'd expect, and when it does happen (and it will happen), well, that's a critical hit if there ever was one

id still rather take the occasional busted balls rather than having 1-10 days of constant unbearable cramps every single month.

sorry but all this talk of crossdressing has reminded me of something i once saw on suit yourself's channel that was the stuff of nightmares... if i ever happen across a grown man dressed as and acting like a 6 year old girl irl, i think my first reaction would be to vomit then scream in horror at the image followed by desperately trying to purge the image from my mind.

that would be taking things a fair bit too far imo. i mean, i've seen juan gotoh's work before which looks awesome but...theres a limit to everything. try to keep it cute, not horrifying.

treos said:
sorry but all this talk of crossdressing has reminded me of something i once saw on suit yourself's channel that was the stuff of nightmares... if i ever happen across a grown man dressed as and acting like a 6 year old girl irl, i think my first reaction would be to vomit then scream in horror at the image followed by desperately trying to purge the image from my mind.

that would be taking things a fair bit too far imo. i mean, i've seen juan gotoh's work before which looks awesome but...theres a limit to everything. try to keep it cute, not horrifying.

You mean this guy?

Mutisija said:
id still rather take the occasional busted balls rather than having 1-10 days of constant unbearable cramps every single month.

The difference between being assured a punch in the stomach compared to occasionally being stabbed. Frequent moderate pain versus infrequent extreme pain.

I think this is probably a standard "the grass is always greener" situation so I'm not going to comment too much on which is better. Both suck.

Clawdragons said:
The difference between being assured a punch in the stomach compared to occasionally being stabbed. Frequent moderate pain versus infrequent extreme pain.

I think this is probably a standard "the grass is always greener" situation so I'm not going to comment too much on which is better. Both suck.

I've been accidentally hit down there so much, I can tolerate it now. So when someone tries to hit me down there, I'll be like: "YOU FOOL! IT HAD NO EFFECT!"

On a sidenote, I took a gender identity online test the other day and it said my brain works quite androgynously.

Have to admit, even if online tests are far from accurate, still interesting results.

TheHuskyK9 said:
I've been accidentally hit down there so much, I can tolerate it now. So when someone tries to hit me down there, I'll be like: "YOU FOOL! IT HAD NO EFFECT!"

Infertility

Fenrick said:
The possibility of ball-busting has some small impact on every single decision that their owners make, from how they sit down to whether a flail is a good choice of weaponry.

In all seriousness, it's not as unlikely as you'd expect, and when it does happen (and it will happen), well, that's a critical hit if there ever was one

I've been lucky I've only been nerfed there, I somehow managed to sit on them, and the worst was fencing some guy hit my epee down out of my hand then it bounced back up and whacked me down there although I took it like a champ

Onto the topic at hand I imagine a lot of people are at least a little curious including myself but I'm happy with being a man as I must agree with mutisija I'd rather not deal with all that every month. That being said I do like when people mistake me for a girl which happens often because all I hear is I'm pretty.

404dotexe said:
So in some pictures, I actually get more aroused imagining myself as the female character despite being male. It's gotten to the point where I'm very curious about what a female body would feel and be like. I don't think I'm transgender, but I feel like it's a little strange so I'm confused about myself.

For the record, I was born and (currently) identify as male. I think I'm pansexual, but again, not completely sure.

I'm just wondering, does anyone else feel the same way?

I feel similar, though not the exact same way. I was also born male but I identify as kind of a combination of male and female. I used to consider myself transgender, but I don't really think that's the right term. From what I can tell, the term "Genderqueer" is more fitting for me, because I'm comfortable thinking of myself as either a guy or as a girl.

I'm a bit weird, though, when it comes to gender issues. I experience phantom body parts (not just female parts but also dragon parts, it's another topic for another time), and when I look at porn pics of my 'sona getting banged by a guy I'll often feel like I'm her getting banged by the guy... but I'll also feel like the guy doing the banging. To be completely honest, I like it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Doesn't mean other people won't be aghast at the idea and try to label people who do stuff like that as weird, or crazy, or even potentially dangerous. But these days most of the people who would do that kind of thing tend to get laughed at far more than people like you, or people like me. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

InannaEloah said:
I feel similar, though not the exact same way. I was also born male but I identify as kind of a combination of male and female. I used to consider myself transgender, but I don't really think that's the right term. From what I can tell, the term "Genderqueer" is more fitting for me, because I'm comfortable thinking of myself as either a guy or as a girl.

I'm a bit weird, though, when it comes to gender issues. I experience phantom body parts (not just female parts but also dragon parts, it's another topic for another time), and when I look at porn pics of my 'sona getting banged by a guy I'll often feel like I'm her getting banged by the guy... but I'll also feel like the guy doing the banging. To be completely honest, I like it and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Doesn't mean other people won't be aghast at the idea and try to label people who do stuff like that as weird, or crazy, or even potentially dangerous. But these days most of the people who would do that kind of thing tend to get laughed at far more than people like you, or people like me. So I wouldn't worry too much about it.

That's very interesting to hear. I thought I was a wolf therian at one point so I know how you feel about that part. For the record, I still really want to have my own tail though! (a big floofy one :3)

RusterFuck said:
If I had the opportunity, I'd probs crossdress

kinky~

RusterFuck said:
Infertility

"I got balls of steel" -Duke Nukem

BlueDingo said:
You mean this guy?

O.O keep that...thing away from me! i'll leave that kind of stuff for suit to deal with.

Mutisija said:
id still rather take the occasional busted balls rather than having 1-10 days of constant unbearable cramps every single month.

Doesn't a groin shot hurt for girls even worse than for guys?

Also, I've literally been hit with my own weight. I fell on a ladder and the step hit them.

kamimatsu said:
Doesn't a groin shot hurt for girls even worse than for guys?

well if the hit is aligned in unfortunate way and some sensitive bits gets crushed between pubic bone and whatever is smashed there, it probably hurts like hell but generally probably not.

kamimatsu said:
Doesn't a groin shot hurt for girls even worse than for guys?

Also, I've literally been hit with my own weight. I fell on a ladder and the step hit them.

Nope. It hurts them, yes, but not as much and not as easily. You can have a guy on the ground with a mere flick to the balls.

Balls usually don't stay where they are when struck, otherwise most skateboarders would be self-neutered.

Something to consider.

Because from an evolutionary perspective, becoming sterile is a removal from the gene pool just like dying is, you could argue that testicular trauma is the "pain of death".

Just an interesting way to look at it.

you gotta punch em in the ovaries

Im nonbinary. My girlfriend is trans. We have a lot of trans characters and characters who skirt the gender binary or ignore it outright. And heck yeah we do porn of them pretty often.

As a nonbinary individual I dont feel particularly strongly either way. I wouldnt mind having a puss. Or just both sets if i could have that option.

But Identity gows much much deeper than just what genitals you have. They really dont define you. Theyre just plumbing.

It does depend, I am a male, I identify with the female character, or feminised male. Sometimes the opposite.

I kinda wish I wasn't so fucking masculine so I could pull off the trap/femboy thing.

Note however I still enjoy being a dude, am mostly comfortable with my body, and enjoy being masc in general.

As weak as it may sound, porn was how I learned I was Bisexual. I started out in the furry fandom just hunting for pictures of women, but soon realized I was getting just as turned on by men.

Thirtyeight said:
As weak as it may sound, porn was how I learned I was Bisexual. I started out in the furry fandom just hunting for pictures of women, but soon realized I was getting just as turned on by men.

I think my story is similar, except with a bit of sexual experimenting too. You see, I "messed around" with a few other boys at my boarding school around the same time I found furry porn. I only admitted I had any feelings towards men about a year or two ago. And that experimenting was about 6 or 7 years ago.

RusterFuck said:
I kinda wish I wasn't so fucking masculine so I could pull off the trap/femboy thing.

Note however I still enjoy being a dude, am mostly comfortable with my body, and enjoy being masc in general.

And I wish I was buff so I don't feel so useless doing manual labor. Even though I enjoy being picked up and carried, it's a bit disappointing that I can't do that to anyone else. Grass is always greener.

RusterFuck said:
I kinda wish I wasn't so fucking masculine so I could pull off the trap/femboy thing.

Note however I still enjoy being a dude, am mostly comfortable with my body, and enjoy being masc in general.

When I was at college I had almost no weight on me, I could have been mistaken for a girl with my features, I thought it would have been hot but I was too shy. I enjoy being a dude too, but I'd like to have had the chance when I could have!

404dotexe said:
So in some pictures, I actually get more aroused imagining myself as the female character despite being male. It's gotten to the point where I'm very curious about what a female body would feel and be like. I don't think I'm transgender, but I feel like it's a little strange so I'm confused about myself.

For the record, I was born and (currently) identify as male. I think I'm pansexual, but again, not completely sure.

I'm just wondering, does anyone else feel the same way?

I'm a male and identify as such to an almost comical degree. I've got a broad-shouldered, sturdy build, and I love my masculine features. I've been working on a beard and working to build muscle. I quote Ron Swanson as often as possible. I'm bi but always prefer the role of the top during sex.

Despite all of this, plenty of times I've wondered what it was like to be on the other side. If only for the different sensations and body shape. I'd say that kind of thing is normal no matter if you actually turn out to be trans or not.

I wouldn't worry about it dude. Either way, its probably all gonna work out alright. People and bodies are weird and being confused is half the fun of growing up.

BlueDingo said:
Nope. It hurts them, yes, but not as much and not as easily. You can have a guy on the ground with a mere flick to the balls.
Balls usually don't stay where they are when struck, otherwise most skateboarders would be self-neutered.

Just thinking of any pain to the baby makers already hurts...
GUH

We are the Borg. We will add your biological and imaginary genders to our own. Your orifices will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

Lance_Armstrong said:
We are the Borg. We will add your biological and imaginary genders to our own. Your orifices will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

now theres a terrifying thought. the borg have become tumblr.

looking to see if anything new (stupid) was added to the genderfluid support tumblr blog's master list of genders and saw this gem.

"(POSSIBLE TRIGGER WARNING) Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic"

beware, autistic people, your autism is now a gender! lol could this possibly get more stupid?

treos said:
now theres a terrifying thought. the borg have become tumblr.

looking to see if anything new (stupid) was added to the genderfluid support tumblr blog's master list of genders and saw this gem.

"(POSSIBLE TRIGGER WARNING) Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic"

beware, autistic people, your autism is now a gender! lol could this possibly get more stupid?

Well, that's Tumblr for you. You got people who think that "Negro," "Muslim," and "Rabbit" are all genders too, so why not "autism?" ;)

InannaEloah said:
Well, that's Tumblr for you. You got people who think that "Negro," "Muslim," and "Rabbit" are all genders too, so why not "autism?" ;)

I heard they also consider mother, sister, daughter, aunt, lady, tomboy, etc. to be gender identities as well. They're not.

BlueDingo said:
I heard they also consider... tomboy, etc. to be gender identities as well. They're not.

o_O you sure they're not referring to transgender when using the word tomboy? the two terms seem kinda synonymous when used by such people.

treos said:
o_O you sure they're not referring to transgender when using the word tomboy? the two terms seem kinda synonymous when used by such people.

Yeah, they do have trouble telling the difference between a girl who acts like a boy and a girl who believes she is a boy.

treos said:
o_O you sure they're not referring to transgender when using the word tomboy? the two terms seem kinda synonymous when used by such people.

Transgender means they had a surgical operation to become the other gender, actually.

Furrin_Gok said:
Transgender means they had a surgical operation to become the other gender, actually.

I thought transsexual was the one that required surgery.

BlueDingo said:
I thought transsexual was the one that required surgery.

Neither one requires surgery. The claim that it does has no basis in fact.

That said, though, "gender" refers to a social construct that defines what men and women are normally like. "Sex," on the other hand, refers to the genitals you were born with.

But like I said, neither one requires surgery, because to be transgender or transsexual simply requires that you be born with the wrong genitalia. "Transitioning," I think requires it though, because then you're going from simply being born in the wrong body to turning your body into the right body.

InannaEloah said:
Neither one requires surgery. The claim that it does has no basis in fact.

Really? I was always under the impression that transgendered people were ones who believed they were the opposite gender and superficially alter their appearance, attitude, etc. to match that opposite gender while transsexuals were the ones that undergo the various surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, etc. to physically (and often permanently) alter their bodies, sometimes including genital reconstruction surgery.

Not to be confused with transvestites who are just crossdressers.

@InannaEloah

Oh god, no...

Gender is synonymous with sex (Not talking about intercourse.)...
It isn't some "Social Construct".

I have no issue with transgender people but, cmon now...

InannaEloah said:
Neither one requires surgery. The claim that it does has no basis in fact.

That said, though, "gender" refers to a social construct that defines what men and women are normally like. "Sex," on the other hand, refers to the genitals you were born with.

But like I said, neither one requires surgery, because to be transgender or transsexual simply requires that you be born with the wrong genitalia. "Transitioning," I think requires it though, because then you're going from simply being born in the wrong body to turning your body into the right body.

where did the rest of your post after the word "fact" vanish to? o_O

also, i still think of the surgery as something of a coping mechanism than anything really necessary. i mean, all it really is is a way to make the physical form look like it matches the mental side of things. most of the time anyway.

edit: oh, it was an edit and i didn't refresh. oops, well, that happens.

ShadowPrezident said:
@InannaEloah

Oh god, no...

Gender is synonymous with sex (Not talking about intercourse.)...
It isn't some "Social Construct".

I have no issue with transgender people but, cmon now...

agreed. the "social construct" nonsense is from tumblr iirc.

ShadowPrezident said:
Gender is synonymous with sex (Not talking about intercourse.)...
It isn't some "Social Construct".

I have no issue with transgender people but, cmon now...

That's the second definition, yes. Officially, it's a grammatical term for classes of words whose definitions are directly tied to sex.

Masculine terms all refer to males.

• man = adult male human.
• colt = young male horse.
• father = male parent.
• son = male offspring.

Feminine terms all refer to females.

• woman = adult female human.
• filly = young female horse.
• mother = female parent.
• daughter = female offspring.

Neuter terms refer to neither. Some languages, such as spanish, don't have neuter terms.

@BlueDingo

I'm sorry but TL;DR.

I have the attention span of a fly.

Anyways what about masculine/feminine terms?

ShadowPrezident said:
@BlueDingo

I'm sorry but TL;DR.

I have the attention span of a fly.

Anyways what about masculine/feminine terms?

Masculine terms = male terms (man, boy, father, son, etc.)
Feminine terms = female terms (woman, girl, mother, daughter, etc.)
Neuter terms = everything else

BlueDingo said:
Masculine terms = male terms (man, boy, father, son, etc.)
Feminine terms = female terms (woman, girl, mother, daughter, etc.)
Neuter terms = everything else

Whats your point, words exist.

(I still have the attention span of... Oh hey a banana!

ShadowPrezident said:
Whats your point, words exist.

(I still have the attention span of... Oh hey a banana!

You're just trolling now, aren't you?

BlueDingo said:
You're just trolling now, aren't you?

Yeah pretty much lol.
But I'm done. I'm watching the youtube.

BlueDingo said:
Really? I was always under the impression that transgendered people were ones who believed they were the opposite gender and superficially alter their appearance, attitude, etc. to match that opposite gender while transsexuals were the ones that undergo the various surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, etc. to physically (and often permanently) alter their bodies, sometimes including genital reconstruction surgery.

Not to be confused with transvestites who are just crossdressers.

trans person is someone whose gender identity doesnt match their assigned gender. thats it. transistioning is not required for a person to be trans. many do go through medical transistioning and many do not wish to undergo the process of medically transistioning for reason or another (safety is one common reason and for example i do not want to transistion because the process of proving that im Real Trans™ is exstremely long, difficult and humiliating in finland).

transsexual is really outdated term and often even seen as offensive term. you should not use that about trans people. only exception is the few trans people (often older trans people since the term was relevant back then) who use it about themselves but only if you know for sure that they are okay with others referring with that term.

so basically there is no distinctive terms for trans people who transistion medically and trans people who do not transistion medically. its all same group.

Mutisija said:
trans person is someone whose gender identity doesnt match their assigned gender. thats it. transistioning is not required for a person to be trans.

So being transgendered sound like it's based entirely on belief. How do you sort the real ones from the fakers?

Mutisija said:
transsexual is really outdated term and often even seen as offensive term. you should not use that about trans people. only exception is the few trans people (often older trans people since the term was relevant back then) who use it about themselves but only if you know for sure that they are okay with others referring with that term.

Honky is a really outdated term and often even seen as an offensive term, but would you stop anyone from saying it?

If we had to stop using words just because someone somewhere may take offence to it, we would have to abandon half of the english language. Their inability to handle words is not my problem.

BlueDingo said:
So being transgendered sound like it's based entirely on belief. How do you sort the real ones from the fakers?

its based on person's personal experience like gender identity related things tend to be. identity can be displayed by behavior, clothing etc but its not always so. so you cannot really tell if someones is a "faker" or not.

Honky is a really outdated term and often even seen as an offensive term, but would you stop anyone from saying it?

If we had to stop using words just because someone somewhere may take offence to it, we would have to abandon half of the english language. Their inability to handle words is not my problem.

yeah by all means do not acknowledge that word you use might hurt people and just keep using it. but seriously you probably should acknowledge that transsexual is actually otdated terminology that literally does not apply to anything anymore and that you perhaps should consider updating your information and wocabularity indtead of purposely clinging on outdated info.

Mutisija said:
yeah by all means do not acknowledge that word you use might hurt people and just keep using it. but seriously you probably should acknowledge that transsexual is actually otdated terminology that literally does not apply to anything anymore and that you perhaps should consider updating your information and wocabularity indtead of purposely clinging on outdated info.

A word doesn't stop applying just because it's outdated, even obsolete and archaic words still have meaning. There are thousands of outdated words that are still in use. There are also thousands of words both common and not so common that various groups of people may potentially find offensive but would you stop people from using every single one of them? And if not, what is your criteria on which potentially offensive terms are allowed to be said and which ones aren't?

I used to go on chat rooms and sometimes video games and pretend I was a girl. I Recall enjoying a more than a guy probably should.

RusterFuck said:
I used to go on chat rooms and sometimes video games and pretend I was a girl. I Recall enjoying a more than a guy probably should.

Nothing wrong with a little roleplay, especially in video games. As long as you keep it in the realm of "harmless fun", you're alright.

Mutisija said:
its based on person's personal experience like gender identity related things tend to be. identity can be displayed by behavior, clothing etc but its not always so. so you cannot really tell if someones is a "faker" or not.

Sometimes you get people like me who happen to like a lot of things that are considered feminine, but are still cisgendered male. There really is no way to be sure. If you assume, you offend someone. If you don't assume, you offend someone.

ShadowPrezident said:
@InannaEloah

Oh god, no...

Gender is synonymous with sex (Not talking about intercourse.)...
It isn't some "Social Construct".

Gender refers to "masculinity" and "femininity," both of which are social constructs that have existed for thousands of years and thus is not something that Tumblr came up with, despite some commenters' assertions to the contrary on this thread.

An example of sex: Male. A person who has a penis.

An example of gender: Masculinity. All men like football (no they don't but this is just an example). A man can be feminine by his nature but unless he has an operation he cannot be a female. If a man does things that are traditionally associated with women, he is considered to be a feminine man, or as Arnold Schwarzenegger once put it, a "girly man," for example if a man stays home as "house husband" while his wife goes out and earns a paycheck, he is consdered to be a "girly man." This is gender.

The fact is, gender has been a societal construct for thousands of years. The only people I've ever seen refer to it as anything other than that are Tumblrites, or pseudo-conservative entertainers like Rush Limbaugh who place a much higher priority on being entertaining than on being factual.

InannaEloah said:
Gender refers to "masculinity" and "femininity," both of which are social constructs that have existed for thousands of years and thus is not something that Tumblr came up with, despite some commenters' assertions to the contrary on this thread.

An example of sex: Male. A person who has a penis.

An example of gender: Masculinity. All men like football (no they don't but this is just an example). A man can be feminine by his nature but unless he has an operation he cannot be a female. If a man does things that are traditionally associated with women, he is considered to be a feminine man, or as Arnold Schwarzenegger once put it, a "girly man," for example if a man stays home as "house husband" while his wife goes out and earns a paycheck, he is consdered to be a "girly man." This is gender.

The fact is, gender has been a societal construct for thousands of years. The only people I've ever seen refer to it as anything other than that are Tumblrites, or pseudo-conservative entertainers like Rush Limbaugh who place a much higher priority on being entertaining than on being factual.

I'm going to start numbering the word gender since there are multiple definitions being used and using the same word for multiple things multiple times gets confusing. For the sake of clarity:

gender(1) = the grammar term
gender(2) = synonym for sex
gender(3) = the madeup tumblr ones

Masculinity and femininity are socially constructed, yes, but they are not genders. Masculine and feminine (the nouns, not the adjectives) are genders(1). Male and female are genders(2). Demiboy, aerogender and about 400 others are genders(3).

The most accurate way to determine if someone is male without a DNA test is if they have testicles, not a penis, though people with testicles are almost guaranteed to have a penis.

Gender(1) covers all terms pertaining to a specific sex, such as titles (Mr. and Mrs.), pronouns (He and she), familial relations (Mother, sister, daughter, aunt), etc. and are not negotiable.

People generally say gender(2) instead of sex because gender(1) terms refer to sex and people generally don't feel comfortable saying sex in public due to its other definition, especially around children. In a sense, it's used as a euphemism.

Your explanation of gender conflates gender(2) roles, gender(2) norms and gender(2) stereotypes but doesn't actually define gender(any). Masculinity and femininity are the umbrella terms for those three gendered concepts but are not themselves genders(any).

Gender(3) terms range from treating uncertainty as if it were a separate thing (Demiboy, genderfluid) to things that don't make any sense whatsoever (Aerogender, Ectogender, Impediogender). In my opinion, the word gender should not be used for gender(3) terms as they are all feelings-based and many of them have no relation to gender(1) or gender(2) whatsoever. It's also very annoying seeing gender(3) people arguing with gender(2) people, picking a different term for gender(3) will reduce such arguments.

This list will show you how far off the deep end gender(3) has gone.

BlueDingo said:
Really? I was always under the impression that transgendered people were ones who believed they were the opposite gender and superficially alter their appearance, attitude, etc. to match that opposite gender while transsexuals were the ones that undergo the various surgeries, hormone replacement therapy, etc. to physically (and often permanently) alter their bodies, sometimes including genital reconstruction surgery.

Not to be confused with transvestites who are just crossdressers.

You are correct in general, but it's hardly superficial in many regards. To even be considered for transition the person has to go through at least one psychiatric review (at the very least, sometimes it's many), find a knowledgeable doctor who can prescribe correct medications, and undergo months, even years of therapy before surgery is allowed. The patient usually has to live for at least a year in their 'preferred' (for lack of a better word) gender before being qualified for surgery.

And you're right about a lot of the transitional steps are very much irreversible. That's why such a strict battery of psychological tests are necessary before any of them are done.

MissChu said:
You are correct in general, but it's hardly superficial in many regards. To even be considered for transition the person has to go through at least one psychiatric review (at the very least, sometimes it's many), find a knowledgeable doctor who can prescribe correct medications, and undergo months, even years of therapy before surgery is allowed. The patient usually has to live for at least a year in their 'preferred' (for lack of a better word) gender before being qualified for surgery.

And you're right about a lot of the transitional steps are very much irreversible. That's why such a strict battery of psychological tests are necessary before any of them are done.

It's good to hear that there are strict checks in place for this sort of thing, considering all the effects this has and how many of those are irreversible.

What I meant by "superficial" was things like clothing, makeup, hairstyle, etc. You know, things that change your appearance but don't change your body in any way while HRT and surgery were mentioned under "physical" because they do alter the body.