Topic: TES tagging for Mer Species.

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

After doing some digging I've discovered there are tags for Altmer, Bosmer, Dunmer, Orsimer But meanwhile other tags like Dark_elf, Wood_elf, High_elf, and Orc Exist aswell for many of The_Elder_Scrolls posts on here.
May there be some way we can link the two tags together to mean the same thing?
Given Orcs are very Generic and could be related to a vast amount of media and not just TES.
Maybe a work-a-round so when Orsimer is used it will be related to images with 'orc' and 'TES' tagged?

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I don't see why we need to specify if it's a TES orc or not, they're still Orcs. And it's the same for the "High Elf," "Dark Elf," etc. They don't really look different from any given source media of Elves.

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Furrin_Gok said:
I don't see why we need to specify if it's a TES orc or not, they're still Orcs. And it's the same for the "High Elf," "Dark Elf," etc. They don't really look different from any given source media of Elves.

the tes dark elves, high elves and wood elves actually do have very distict designs. especially dark elves and high elves. so i think that it would be alright that they have their own tags that are then implied to elf.

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Siral_Exan said:
And if people don't want to use two tags? Alternatively, you can call (at least DnD) dark elves "drow". What is your argument against dark_elf. An implication can be set, not unlike furred_dragon to fur & dragon

Right.
I personally think the more specification the better these days.

Furrin_Gok said:
Do we even need a dark_elf tag? Just tag elf dark_skin

That would be like saying "why need soft_vore and hard_vore, why not just vore with gore ?" Some implements are just better as they are, without having to be splintered into headaches.

Dark_elf and TES's Dunmer may be different, So maybe we shouldn't unify them... Hmm

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Furrin_Gok said:
I don't see why we need to specify if it's a TES orc or not, they're still Orcs. And it's the same for the "High Elf," "Dark Elf," etc. They don't really look different from any given source media of Elves.

High Elves have a distinctive golden tone to their skin, and golden irises in their eyes (though I think Sun Elves from D&D might also have these features). They're also really tall. Dark Elves, I will admit, look pretty similar to D&D dark elves. Wood Elves actually tend to have one or more peculiarities to their appearance, such as completely black/brown eyes, small horns, etc. This is explained somewhere in the lore as due to them actually being latent shapeshifters and is connected to why the Wild Hunt is a thing, I think.

More about the Wood Elves

As a side note: TES' Elf species are interesting in that they're capable of having facial hair (though High Elves seem to rarely sport any). D&D's elves do not usually have this feature, and thus when you see an elf with facial hair there is at least some chance it's a TES elf species. This can help differentiate TES Dark Elves from most other Dark Elves from other mythos (I don't believe Everquest's Dark Elves had facial hair, can't really think of any other notable Dark Elf examples that would be likely to show up on e6)

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Furrin_Gok said:
the_elder_scrolls high_elf
the_elder_scrolls dark_elf
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Looks indistinguishable from Elves and Dark Elves. Do we even need a dark_elf tag? Just tag elf dark_skin

altmer aka the high elves have yellow skin, yellow sclera and extremely exaggerated facial features

dunmer aka the dark elves have gray skin, red eyes, red sclera and very exaggerated almost bat-like facial features

bosmer aka the wood elves are otherwise fairly human bit again, they have exaggerated facial features and unusual eyes

so no, they are not indistinguishable. though usually people find their actual looks unsexy and unattractive tends to draw them as humans with pointy ears especially while making porn.

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Another problem that may arise: Not everything with pointy ears is called an Elf.

Example: Elvaan from FFXI. (I know, the name is pretty much just an alteration of "Elven", but...)

Or: Cid from FFTA2

Cid is not an Elf. There are no elves in Ivalice.

What you COULD tag them as under tag-what-you-see is "Demi-Humanoid". Add a tag for "pointed ears" if needed, "facial hair" if it applies, etc. Demi-humanoid is a fantastic blanket term for Elves, Elvaan, Mer, and so on.

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YouWereNeverMyFriend said:
Another problem that may arise: Not everything with pointy ears is called an Elf.

What you COULD tag them as under tag-what-you-see is "Demi-Humanoid". Add a tag for "pointed ears" if needed, "facial hair" if it applies, etc. Demi-humanoid is a fantastic blanket term for Elves, Elvaan, Mer, and so on.

That sounds pretty okay. Classifying something as a Demi-Human is a Broad brush to use, but at-least it'll help us distinguish. Its enough to say its not only human, plus it may help with the the bored-taggers who search around to find images that need more tagging. ;p

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DragonHugger said:
That sounds pretty okay. Classifying something as a Demi-Human is a Broad brush to use, but at-least it'll help us distinguish. Its enough to say its not only human, plus it may help with the the bored-taggers who search around to find images that need more tagging. ;p

"Demi-human" is humanoid. Literally any non-human fleshy, like elves, orcs, dwarves, etc.

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Siral_Exan said:
"Demi-human" is humanoid. Literally any non-human fleshy, like elves, orcs, dwarves, etc.

Oh, well that pretty much settles it then. Wasn't aware of how much that tag actually encompassed.

Going back to the Orc thing, though: I would argue that it's actually fairly easy to differentiate orcs from various mythos based on things like body structure/skin colors/etc. - TES Orsimer, for example, are known to have skin shades not present in, say, WoW Orcs. WoW Orcs are pretty much just green (red if they're possessed, I guess, but normally just green). Orsimer vary from greenish to olive to dark-greenish-gray. D&D Orcs range from sickly purplish-green to more human skin tones, in my experience. Warhammer Orcs/Orks are even easier to differentiate - no hair ever, and heavily exaggerated brutish features (moreso than WoW orcs, even). They're all roughly similar, but could probably be easily differentiated from one another under TWYS (if you really wanted to, anyway).

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I wouldn't mind having Altmer, dunmer, or bosmer, tagged with their in-lore (unique) "species" name. We already do this in other cases anyway. What's more interesting though is that we could have these implicate the base tag elf.

But I'm not sure if we do want the dark elf and high elf tags, since they are more ambiguous and there are quite some anatomical differences between the different high elf species from different companies. For an example compare the Wow high elves (Quel'dorei) to the Altmer of TES.

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