Im certain this was discussed before but couldnt find any discussion about it.

Is armor clothing or not, and if it is then when does it change from being nude to being clothed?

post #1267072
obviously that would be nude,
but what about cases like these:
post #1261483 post #1250734 post #1188311 post #1220121 post #260324

are all those supposed to be nude? why would they be nude if they fit the traits of clothing?

Also why is there no separation between armor on a character and armor on or in a inanimate object/feature(ex. vehicle/glass wall)?

Related: https://e621.net/forum/show/191799?page=9#post-221735

Ruku said:
post #1267072
obviously that would be nude,

You mean mostly_nude.

Ruku said:

we do have ineffective_clothing

kamimatsu said:
we do have ineffective_clothing

question is if armor is clothing or not, not the type of clothing, and if armor is not clothing then should fully armored characters also be tagged as nude.

Maybe we should bring back the armored tag. At least then, we'll be able to differentiate between armored being worn and armor not being worn (or from another perspective, characters wearing armor vs. characters not wearing armor).

forum #172770 - Tag Alias: armored -> armor

Ruku said:
question is if armor is clothing or not, not the type of clothing, and if armor is not clothing then should fully armored characters also be tagged as nude.

the real question is why do we see a difference when we can't claim it's protection due to unconvincing_armor? Can't say it's metal because leather. You can have regular leather clothes. See where I'm going? If we differentiate it, we end up going into semantics over what is armor

kamimatsu said:
the real question is why do we see a difference when we can't claim it's protection due to unconvincing_armor? Can't say it's metal because leather. You can have regular leather clothes. See where I'm going? If we differentiate it, we end up going into semantics over what is armor

A t-shirt made of chainmail is still technically a t-shirt but would also function as armor. Would you tag a chainmail t-shirt as clothing or armor?

BlueDingo said:
A t-shirt made of chainmail is still technically a t-shirt but would also function as armor. Would you tag a chainmail t-shirt as clothing or armor?

honestly i'd cut the knot and tag it as both, but if i had to choose i'd go with clothing because giving the idea of chainmail t-shirts some deep thinking just makes it seem a little impractical to be effective armor

BlueDingo said:
A t-shirt made of chainmail is still technically a t-shirt but would also function as armor. Would you tag a chainmail t-shirt as clothing or armor?

both

ccpd said:
honestly i'd cut the knot and tag it as both, but if i had to choose i'd go with clothing because giving the idea of chainmail t-shirts some deep thinking just makes it seem a little impractical to be effective armor

unconvincing_armor

ccpd said:
honestly i'd cut the knot and tag it as both, but if i had to choose i'd go with clothing because giving the idea of chainmail t-shirts some deep thinking just makes it seem a little impractical to be effective armor

I'd say they'd be about as effective as a haubergeon, maybe a little less due to the shorter length.

Random thought: How effective and practical would a hoodie and cargo pants made of chainmail be?

ccpd said:
honestly i'd cut the knot and tag it as both, but if i had to choose i'd go with clothing because giving the idea of chainmail t-shirts some deep thinking just makes it seem a little impractical to be effective armor

Off topic, but I like your usage of Gordian Knot.

BlueDingo said:
Maybe we should bring back the armored tag. At least then, we'll be able to differentiate between armored being worn and armor not being worn (or from another perspective, characters wearing armor vs. characters not wearing armor).

forum #172770 - Tag Alias: armored -> armor

I agree with this too. Armor can be clothing and clothing can be armor, but there should be a tag for being armored as well as for being clothed. Armor can be left on a stand or be the discarded remains of a battle, so having such a tag is beneficial.

BlueDingo said:
I'd say they'd be about as effective as a haubergeon, maybe a little less due to the shorter length.

Random thought: How effective and practical would a hoodie and cargo pants made of chainmail be?

Hoodie would be hard to do, cargo pants is feasible; a chainmail coif should be a suitable replacement for a hoodie, less weight on you if you desire removing it.

BlueDingo said:
I'd say they'd be about as effective as a haubergeon, maybe a little less due to the shorter length.

Random thought: How effective and practical would a hoodie and cargo pants made of chainmail be?

more effective than a t-shirt i'll say, at least with the cargo pants and hoodie you're getting some full body protection like a real chainmail suit, ensuring that the next guy who robs you with a knife or a longsword is going to have to work for his robbery. bullets and arrows will still demolish you, though

Armor is not inherently effective. We have a tag specifically for this.