Implicating pegging → toying_partner
Link to implication

Reason:

The definition of pegging on the wiki states that pegging is "A female character wearing a strapon and using the sex toy to engage in anal sex with a receiving male character" and that it specifically only refers to that situation. It already automatically implies anal_penetration, sex_toy, and male.

This definition logically implies female_penetrating, male/female, and toying_partner. Under the given definition, any situation which can be tagged 'pegging' must already be one to which those tags are applicable. Of those, toying_partner is the one least consistently applied to pegging images, and so is probably the best candidate for implication.

Nice one. I assume you mean

Implicating pegging -> toying_partner
Implicating pegging -> female_penetrating
Implicating pegging -> male/female

I give a +1 to the first, and a -1 to the others because a cuntboy could be using the toy, or any character who isn't using their dick and is, instead, using a strapon.

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:
Nice one. I assume you mean

Implicating pegging -> toying_partner
Implicating pegging -> female_penetrating
Implicating pegging -> male/female

Yeah, I messed up and fixed the formatting. Seems like I can only suggest one implication at once, so I picked the most important one.

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:
I give a +1 to the first, and a -1 to the others because a cuntboy could be using the toy, or any character who isn't using their dick and is, instead, using a strapon.

By the wiki definition, that would in fact be wrong. You could probably make a solid argument that the wiki definition is weirdly specific and it might be more useful if it were a bit more flexible, but under the current definition pegging that would just be an incorrect use of pegging.

More concretely, out of 996 uses of the pegging tag, only 34 of them aren't already tagged with male/female, and while I haven't checked all of them, as best I can tell most of them are actually male/female and are just mistagged. There is exactly one image I can find, post #585948, that tags cuntboy-with-strapon-on-male as pegging. I can also find a dickgirl/female, post #1175556, but I'm pretty sure that should be male/female + crossgender by the TWYS rules.

So any such exceptions would be somewhere in the 1%-0.1% range of existing uses.

Victoria_Oblong said:
By the wiki definition, that would in fact be wrong. You could probably make a solid argument that the wiki definition is weirdly specific and it might be more useful if it were a bit more flexible, but under the current definition that would just be an incorrect use of pegging.

More concretely, out of 996 uses of the pegging tag, only 34 of them aren't already tagged with male/female, and while I haven't checked all of them, as best I can tell most of them are actually male/female and are just mistagged. There is exactly one image I can find, post #585948, that tags cuntboy-with-strapon-on-male as pegging. So any such exceptions would be somewhere in the 1%-0.1% range of existing uses.

Well, the wiki may need to be revised because of the highlight on intersexes over the past year. This is two years old and flew under the radar, but: a strapon is not female-only; the action of using it to stimulate a partner is not female only; the fact that this is written in binary (males & female) gender and, despite being modified by a past admin, has absolutely no reference to intersexes is a very big oddity... on a site that acknowledges intersexes and avoids binary sex terms.

I'm willing to further with it should be revised to characters without male genitalia (females & cuntboys) stimulating characters with (only?) male genitalia. The fact that images of that are not common doesn't justify the creation; if a tag implication/alias is 99.9% right, the .1% chance of it being wrong actually justifies it not being made, there is an absolute 0 room for error in implications/aliases.

The whole *_penetrating tag group was created so that pegging could remain as it is. Pegging is male/female role swap kink, which would be hard to apply to intersex characters.

See also forum #191035.

My view of it still the same as before: either invalidate it, or keep it strictly for male/female and implicate it to the tags suggested in the OP.

Genjar said:
The whole *_penetrating tag group was created so that pegging could remain as a male/female tag for the specific fetish.

See also forum #191035.

My view of it still the same: either invalidate it, or keep it strictly for male/female and implicate it to the tags suggested in the OP.

I say invalidate, because it can be tainted by TWYS. People can be more than willing to ignore the fact that it needs a strapon and try to tag it for any female penetrating a male, but there are also dickgirls whom can be argued to be using a strapon (because you can't see the dick connecting to them, but is in an internal view) and *is* wearing clothes. I think I've seen times when it was tagged between two females too, but that is very weak.

Basically, it is relatively specific and I know that users aren't that smart when it comes to using street or slang terms.

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:
I say invalidate, because it can be tainted by TWYS. People can be more than willing to ignore the fact that it needs a strapon and try to tag it for any female penetrating a male, but there are also dickgirls whom can be argued to be using a strapon (because you can't see the dick connecting to them, but is in an internal view) and *is* wearing clothes. I think I've seen times when it was tagged between two females too, but that is very weak.

Basically, it is relatively specific and I know that users aren't that smart when it comes to using street or slang terms.

Although again, the fact that pegging images are almost exclusively tagged properly suggests that the users are surprisingly smart (or that someone's gone on a tag crusade to try and correct them). As mentioned, pegging -male/female has exceedingly few results (most of which are just pics where people forgot to tag m/f sex as male/female), which is evidence that pegging is actually used pretty much as defined.

I'm surprised too.

Victoria_Oblong said:
Although again, the fact that pegging images are almost exclusively tagged properly suggests that the users are surprisingly smart (or that someone's gone on a tag crusade to try and correct them). As mentioned, pegging -male/female has exceedingly few results (most of which are just pics where people forgot to tag m/f sex as male/female), which is evidence that pegging is actually used pretty much as defined.

I'm surprised too.

Or they refuse to refer to situations that aren't strictly female on male as pegging.

post #528581post #512158post #1170460post #1089206

The other situations exist, they're just not tagged because of the "female on male" part of the definition.

BlueDingo said:
Or they refuse to refer to situations that aren't strictly female on male as pegging.

post #528581post #512158post #1170460

The other situations exist, they're just not tagged because of the "female on male" part of the definition.

I'm completely aware; I was just saying that under the current definition, pegging is largely being used correctly, in response to

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:
I say invalidate, because it can be tainted by TWYS. People can be more than willing to ignore the fact that it needs a strapon and try to tag it for any female penetrating a male, but there are also dickgirls whom can be argued to be using a strapon (because you can't see the dick connecting to them, but is in an internal view) and *is* wearing clothes. I think I've seen times when it was tagged between two females too, but that is very weak.

Basically, it is relatively specific and I know that users aren't that smart when it comes to using street or slang terms.

claiming it was commonly misused. (Which it probably was; I think the tag must have been cleaned up at some point).

I do understand why 'pegging' is the way it is - it's being used to denote a specific kink. Searching for 'pegging' on the wider web would be expected to turn up M/F strapon porn specifically. (And *not* to turn up male/male strapon porn where someone with a dick is using a strapon instead- that's also an existing kink, but a different kink entirely.)

I think you probably could make a case on e621 for pegging also referring to cuntboys penetrating males with strapons, but there are so few images that meet this criterion (post #820530, post #776811, post #585948, post #528581, post #469382, and post #384956, found using intersex/male cuntboy ~intersex_penetrating ~strapon ~feeldoe and eliminating all spurious results), which should find everything that isn't severely undertagged) that I'm just not sure it justifies the change.