Related to the case of a similar implication proposed 4 months ago for hydra forum #213843

Not all posts that have a cerberus actually feature multiple heads, and as has been made claer in the other thread there is also the posible case of heads being cut off.

post #1056776 post #832899

maybe cerberus but not multi headed, but rather multi faced

post #741603

And what of phantom entities or projections?

post #1039407

Ahem this is kinda binding the rules, considering while one of the pixels may contain a cerberus the actual image the pixels make up doesnt visbly have something that is multi_headed

post #490694

Should note that most of the posts arnt even genuine cerberus but rather just normal human dog breeds that are coincidentally multi headed and then there are humanoids...

but they have more than one head

memeboy said:
but they have more than one head

if we tagged by species yes, but we tag by twys, and as noted above, its not always visible that they come with more then one head.

memeboy said:
but they have more than one head

You only tag multi_head if multiple heads are visible. What if most/all of its heads are offscreen?

Ruku said:
post #1056776

This shouldn't be tagged cerberus. The extra heads are hand puppets.

BlueDingo said:
You only tag multi_head if multiple heads are visible. What if most/all of its heads are offscreen?

This shouldn't be tagged cerberus. The extra heads are hand puppets.

but a cerberus has more than one head

BlueDingo said

This shouldn't be tagged cerberus. The extra heads are hand puppets.

that charcater takes up probly around 1/12 of the cerberus tag, was likly manually added from the poster making the cerberus assumption because check 1. canine, check 2. multiple heads...

Ruku said:
that charcater takes up probly around 1/12 of the cerberus tag, was likly manually added from the poster making the cerberus assumption because check 1. canine, check 2. multiple heads...

Or maybe it's a character named Cerberus.

Furrin_Gok said:
Or maybe it's a character named Cerberus.

character is identified as kerubero-kun in both duo and solo images...

also kerubero-kun's_father kinda similar to kerubero-kun thru without the headhands which are not actually gloves^^; post #1059010

Ruku said:
character is identified as kerubero-kun in both duo and solo images...

also kerubero-kun's_father kinda similar to kerubero-kun thru without the headhands which are not actually gloves^^; post #1059010

"Kerbero," missing a Su on the end. Cerberus can be pronounced with an S at the start, or with a K. Pronounce it with a K, "Kerberus."
So, yes, "Cerberus" is that character's name.

Furrin_Gok said:
"Kerbero," missing a Su on the end. Cerberus can be pronounced with an S at the start, or with a K. Pronounce it with a K, "Kerberus."
So, yes, "Cerberus" is that character's name.

umm sence when does e621 translate non latin type names when they have already been romanized?

Also you are assuming something is missing when there may not be anything missing at all in the romanization

Ruku said:
umm sence when does e621 translate non latin type names when they have already been romanized?

Also you are assuming something is missing when there may not be anything missing at all in the romanization

Anyone familiar with the Japanese language takes their habit of truncating names affectionately for granted, especially in anime.

Keruberu-kun is from Jigoku Youchien ("Hell Kindergarten"). He has a mermaid-like classmate named Levia-chan, obviously referring to Leviathan, considered a prince of Hell in some Christian faiths.

He has another classmate named "Sakyuba-chan" who looks a lot like a succubus (sakyubasu).

So in short, it is a character who looks like a dog, lives in Hell along with Leviathan and Succubus, is named Keruberu-kun, and has "three heads" if we count the sock puppets. The chance this is not meant to be Cerberus is effectively nonexistent.

FibS said:
Anyone familiar with the Japanese language takes their habit of truncating names affectionately for granted, especially in anime.

Keruberu-kun is from Jigoku Youchien ("Hell Kindergarten"). He has a mermaid-like classmate named Levia-chan, obviously referring to Leviathan, considered a prince of Hell in some Christian faiths.

He has another classmate named "Sakyuba-chan" who looks a lot like a succubus (sakyubasu).

So in short, it is a character who looks like a dog, lives in Hell along with Leviathan and Succubus, is named Keruberu-kun, and has "three heads" if we count the sock puppets. The chance this is not meant to be Cerberus is effectively nonexistent.

what the writers of this series had in mind and how this is tagged are 2 different things, what is visible is not a cerberus, and cerberus is not the characters name, it is what the name stands for. And if we were to translate by what the name stands for then every single character with Sakura for a name would have to be changed to (cherry) Blossom for example, we obviously dont do that.

Ruku said:
what the writers of this series had in mind and how this is tagged are 2 different things, what is visible is not a cerberus, and cerberus is not the characters name, it is what the name stands for. And if we were to translate by what the name stands for then every single character with Sakura for a name would have to be changed to (cherry) Blossom for example, we obviously dont do that.

You clearly aren't taking this seriously. They don't have names, and are simply referred to as their species. If somebody said "Hey, you, dog!" to some canine character, does that make the dog's name Dog? No, it does not.

Ruku said:
what the writers of this series had in mind and how this is tagged are 2 different things, what is visible is not a cerberus, and cerberus is not the characters name, it is what the name stands for. And if we were to translate by what the name stands for then every single character with Sakura for a name would have to be changed to (cherry) Blossom for example, we obviously dont do that.

You're intentionally wasting our time and stretching our patience with straw-grasping.

The character is incredibly obviously an adaptation of Cerberus, which means he should be tagged whatever the hell his name is (Keruberu-kun) as well as cerberus, because he is a cerberus.

And since he does not actually have multiple heads, other than his face and his cock, that means he is a cerberus that does not have multiple heads, Q-E-fucking-D.

I've just awoken, and in my moment of stupor and fatigue I may have come up with an answer to this "massive" argument:

Cerberus_(species), keeps multi_head.
Cerberus_(myth) or Cerberus_(Greek_myth), acts as a character tag, as character tags never get general or species tag implications (unless Greek Mythology is under general tags, an implication to its family of mythology is necessary).
Cerberus_(character) or Cerberus_(disambiguation), this would be a catch-all for when characters either do not have an appropriate name (yet) or for people who just tagged Cerberus.

You can have Cerberus (the character) as just a dog with one head, as tagging species is otherwise TWYK without visual evidence.

Also, we should have a tag for Orthus, the brother of Cerberus. Orthus only has two heads, but as he's lesser known compared than his brother, I do not believe making a species tag is worth it.

Furrin_Gok said:
You clearly aren't taking this seriously. They don't have names, and are simply referred to as their species. If somebody said "Hey, you, dog!" to some canine character, does that make the dog's name Dog? No, it does not.

actually it is you not taking the tread serious considering they are tagged with a character name Furrin Gok. Again we are talking about how posts are tagged, not the intentions of the writers that design the cheracter.

FibS said:
You're intentionally wasting our time and stretching our patience with straw-grasping.

The character is incredibly obviously an adaptation of Cerberus, which means he should be tagged whatever the hell his name is (Keruberu-kun) as well as cerberus, because he is a cerberus.

And since he does not actually have multiple heads, other than his face and his cock, that means he is a cerberus that does not have multiple heads, Q-E-fucking-D.

Sorry but no you are, you are making the assumption that just because the full japanese name can be literally translated into cerberus that that makes the character the cerberus species of greek myth. Again you would be implying for example that all characters that are named Ryu are dragons or all characters named Sakura are Cherry Blossoms.

A adaption posibly, but not a cerberus in species, cerberus does not have heads for hands.

And both you Fibs and you Siral, A cerberus is always a hellhound with multiple heads, it never has just one head unless they were cut off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus

PS:
Siral if Cerberus should keep the implication then why cant hydra have the implication sence both have the same issues?

Could you actually respond to me so I can make out what you are asking? You seem very flustered right now... and lumping me with another commenter is a dick move when I'm not making an argument.

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:
Could you actually respond to me so I can make out what you are asking? You seem very flustered right now...

please do not spam, you can clearly make out what i was saying considering you saw that i noted you as well.

And the participation in the argument is irrelevant in this case, the answer was the same for both of you.

Ruku said:
please do not spam, you can clearly make out what i was saying considering you saw that i noted you as well.

Where exactly did Siral spam? You legitimately pointed out nothing about what Siral said, and simply lumped them into your complaints.

And why are you so against what we're arguing? The fact that the character is Cerberus supports the deimplication.

Furrin_Gok said:
Where exactly did Siral spam? You legitimately pointed out nothing about what Siral said, and simply lumped them into your complaints.

implying that i havnt responded to them while the fact that they message me about it in the first place makes it very clear that they did infact get the response. and then implying that i am flustered, whats the propose to making assumptions as to my state of being.

And why are you so against what we're arguing? The fact that the character is Cerberus supports the deimplication.

I wouldnt be against if it wasnt so obviously incorrect, as well as hypocritical. The arguments that have been given so far are strictly twyk, canon(writers intentions) nothing under twys supports the argument that this is a cerberus in species. Also noting a lack of character name when it is in fact tagged with a character name. And then the support of keeping the implication while being against hydra implication when both suffer percisely the same issues...

lets see,

Birthday_Rat_Siral said:

Cerberus_(species), keeps multi_head.

Why, as stated in the OP there are cases where multiple heads are not always visible, we already made the case in the hydra thread that it shouldnt get the implication to multi_head because multiple heads are not always visible.

Cerberus_(myth) or Cerberus_(Greek_myth), acts as a character tag, as character tags never get general or species tag implications (unless Greek Mythology is under general tags, an implication to its family of mythology is necessary).

would have to carry both the suggested character name and the given name by the characters owner since cerberus is a full species in the fandom rather then just a single creature.

Cerberus_(character) or Cerberus_(disambiguation), this would be a catch-all for when characters either do not have an appropriate name (yet) or for people who just tagged Cerberus.

Dont see anything wrong with that on its own.

You can have Cerberus (the character) as just a dog with one head, as tagging species is otherwise TWYK without visual evidence.

This is pretty much the point ive been making, while the arguement against for the most part has been that it should be cerberus as species simply because the characters name translates literally into Cerberus. If cerberus is deimplicated and changed to character name, then this would be sound.

Also, we should have a tag for Orthus, the brother of Cerberus. Orthus only has two heads, but as he's lesser known compared than his brother, I do not believe making a species tag is worth it.

doesnt hurt to add, we do have tags for even less common species or mythological creatures...

I admit i made a mistake of not fully reading before hand and i apologize for that..

Y'know what, no... I can't understand a word you are saying, and I know you've lost context on mine.

I'll try to explain it: in Greek mythology, most creatures are characters in a myth. Let's use Cerberus as the character in the myths.

The cerberus as a species just means multiheaded canines.

Other cases of the usage of Cerberus (IE in comics), as a character, should be separate from the mythology. An example, without spoilers, is the Cerberus from Housepets, which doesn't follow Greek mythology.

The Hydra you bring up seems to have been used as a character, despite it also being referenced as a species. You can have the Hercules movie to blame...

I think there's a furry artist who uses that name.