Currently we have two herm tags: herm and maleherm which implies herm. So i propose that we split the tags in following way:
femaleherm for herms with breasts
maleherm for herms with masculine build and flat chest
ambiguous herm for herms that do not really fit to the other categories (for example feral herms without breasts and any feminine or masculine features and herms that have ambiguous build and chest hidden from view)
which all imply to herm.

It would make blacklisting and searching significantly easier. Like for example i do not like herms with breasts, but i dont mind any other herms, so i have blacklisted herm -maleherm. but it still it hides content like this
post #814574
i have no reliable way to blacklist ONLY herms with breasts (people do not tag breasts very often so blacklisting herm breasts -maleherm is not very good option, especially since it is possible that image contains for example herm with ambiguous body and a female character)

+1

+1

+1. That would be useful.

Since it is a change in a gender tag, various wikis with gender-related subjects will need adjustment; as well, many posts tagged as "herm" prior the implementation of these tags will need to be corrected.
Additionally, we would create other new tags:

• girlherm/male

girlherm/female
girlherm/ambiguous
girlherm/cuntboy
girlherm/dickgirl
girlherm/maleherm
girlherm/girlherm
girlherm/ambiguous_herm
ambiguous_herm/male
ambiguous_herm/female
ambiguous_herm/ambiguos
ambiguous_herm/cuntboy
ambiguous_herm/dickgirl
ambiguous_herm/maleherm
ambiguous_herm/ambiguous_herm

• smaller_girlherm

larger_girlherm
smaller_ambiguous_herm
larger_ambiguous_herm

• girlherm_penetrating

ambiguous_herm_penetrating

• girlherm_domination

ambiguous_herm_domination

And possibly others.

edited (22/II/2017)

O16 said:
femaleherm/ambiguos_herm
ambiguous_herm/ambiguos_herm
smaller_ambiguos_herm
larger_ambiguos_herm
ambiguos_herm_penetrating
ambiguos_herm_domination

.. except properly spelt. (no doubt some of these will need to have aliases to address the exact type of error you just made)

I also see some potential here for confusing ambiguous_herm with ambiguous_gender, if you were writing just $GENDER/ambiguous. $GENDER/ambiguous_gender would probably need to be written out in full to avoid this.

savageorange said:
.. except properly spelt. (no doubt some of these will need to have aliases to address the exact type of error you just made)

Oops. I copied and pasted only changing the last word, so the typo was perpetuated.

... Fixed.

Sincerely, I don't know how common this kind of error is, so I am not sure if the any aliases would be necessary.

savageorange said:
I also see some potential here for confusing ambiguous_herm with ambiguous_gender, if you were writing just $GENDER/ambiguous. $GENDER/ambiguous_gender would probably need to be written out in full to avoid this.

That is a possibility, maybe would be more practical if we try to find another term instead of "ambiguos_herm", but I can't think in any right now.

It should be called something else. The only reason maleherm isn't a major problem is because there's only 500 posts, but even so, those frequently get tagged as male. And it's hard to argue against it when the maleherm tag itself contains 'male'. See post #1104495, post #605431, post #469970, etc: all currently tagged as both male and maleherm.

'Femaleherm' is far more common (which is why it's currently the default), so it'd be harder to keep sorted.

Genjar said:
It should be called something else. The only reason maleherm isn't a major problem is because there's only 500 posts, but even so, those frequently get tagged as male. And it's hard to argue against it when the maleherm tag itself contains 'male'. See post #1104495, post #605431, post #469970, etc: all currently tagged as both male and maleherm.

'Femaleherm' is far more common (which is why it's currently the default), so it'd be harder to keep sorted.

gynomorphic_herm | Androgynous_herm | Andromorphic_herm

?

Ruku said:
gynomorphic_herm | Androgynous_herm | Andromorphic_herm

?

Why not just "feminine_herm"? Since "feminine" differs from "female" both in writing and meaning¹ (also "femimine_herm" is easier to type when compared with "gynomorphic_herm").

¹ feminine = with female traits, but not necessarily being female.

O16 said:
Why not just "feminine_herm"? Since "feminine" differs from "female" both in writing and meaning¹ (also is easier to type).

¹ feminine = with female traits, but not necessarily being female.

would have the same problem as female that genjar mentioned.

people would assume taging both feminine + feminine_herm is fine...

O16 said:
Why not just "feminine_herm"? Since "feminine" differs from "female" both in writing and meaning¹ (also "femimine_herm" is easier to type when compared with "gynomorphic_herm").

¹ feminine = with female traits, but not necessarily being female.

the issue is that maleherms can be feminine too but still have more overall masculine appearance. some people might assume that its ok to stick the tag on femboy herms

Ruku said:
gynomorphic_herm | Androgynous_herm | Andromorphic_herm

?

Or, you know. Words that people use in everyday language.

parasprite said:
Or, you know. Words that people use in everyday language.

i'm not the only one who thought "here we go again..." when this thread was started am i?

and i'm not about to poke this thread too much out of caution in case NMNY's ban warning in the other thread also applies to similar threads on the same topic. i don't like the thought of being banned that much. :/

parasprite said:
Or, you know. Words that people use in everyday language.

and what would those be, we cant use female or feminine because of what genjar stated as being a problem.

Also treos, i wouldnt consider this related to that 38 page long thread from a month ago. But if you dont address a years old issue then you cant be surprized if itl come back irregardless of threat of bans. issues always return if they dont get addressed.

Ruku said:
and what would those be, we cant use female or feminine because of what genjar stated as being a problem.

boyherm/girlherm

parasprite said:
boyherm/girlherm

just lil nag, wont oppose it if enough support it, but are all herms children?^^;

Also what would you use for that that is nether "boy" or "girl"?
Should not require more tags then the other 2.

Ruku said:
just lil nag, wont oppose it if enough support it, but are all herms children?

Women are called girls and men boys all the time. The terms aren't always used literally.

BlueDingo said:
Women are called girls and men boys all the time. The terms aren't always used literally.

BlueDingo, in what world are you honestly. ive been to alot of places in europe and the US for the past 15 years, not in one place does anyone refer to a adult as a Boy or girl outside of BDSM

Ruku said:
BlueDingo, in what world are you honestly. ive been to alot of places in europe and the US for the past 15 years, not in one place does anyone refer to a adult as a Boy or girl outside of BDSM

It's dialect, it depends on familiarity and relationship. My mothers refer to me and my brother as "you boys" whenever they buy things for us (plural, singular they call our individual name). I know that farmhands can be called "boy" by the farm owner, to denote both experience on the farm and as relationship as employee and boss. But, as a man I rarely near people get called "girl", outside of my cousins.

Ruku said:
BlueDingo, in what world are you honestly. ive been to alot of places in europe and the US for the past 15 years, not in one place does anyone refer to a adult as a Boy or girl outside of BDSM

uh at least my parents refer me and my siblings as "girls" even tho im 22 and my younger siblings are 16 and 19 and my classmates constantly refer each other as boys and girls despite of the fact that everyone except one student is 18 or over? also its very common to adult women to talk about their friend group as "the girls". its often used in a bit lighthearted, friendly and jesting way.

Then there's things like a "girls night out" which very rarely involve children, and toilets are often labelled boys and girls (among many other terms) as opposed to males and females. The last place I worked, the men and women were collectively referred to as "the boys" and "the girls" despite all of us being over 20.

Anyway, we're getting a bit off-topic.

Ruku said:
just lil nag, wont oppose it if enough support it, but are all herms children?^^;

Also what would you use for that that is nether "boy" or "girl"?
Should not require more tags then the other 2.

To the first part, my answer to that is dickgirl.

To the second:

• intersex
• herm
• girlherm
• boyherm

I think this might be useful to have anyways considering we have nowhere good to alias the herm tag to.

parasprite said:
To the first part, my answer to that is dickgirl.

To the second:

• intersex
• herm
• girlherm
• boyherm

I think this might be useful to have anyways considering we have nowhere good to alias the herm tag to.

what im talking about are herms that are nether distinctly male or female based but inbetween. ambiguous, androgynous...
Dickgirl has nothing to do here, might i add the continued existence of dickgirl is up to dabate.

Also regarding boy and girl, i guess you all prove your point but from what i can tell from your statements you only apply this to people you have some form of relationsship with, no mention of actually calling complete strangers boys or girls, im not aware of signage using boy and girl except for in schools and some clinics and households...

Are all the ones that fit into this mold similar to the one in OP? Would something like feralherm sufficiently cover the meaning because of that? That is, do we have a class I'm not thinking of where they're still a herm, and do fit the description of not having the kind of secondary sexual traits we normally use to decide between herm and maleherm, but also don't fit the description of being a type of character that isn't expected to have them in the first place? Seems like we primarily assign those terms based on the human characteristics anthros have, so it's at least mainly the feral ones I'm thinking of that defy that logic.

Ruku said:
what im talking about are herms that are nether distinctly male or female based but inbetween. ambiguous, androgynous...

Yes. Tag them herm but not girl/boyherm. I don't see anything wrong with an "ambiguous herm" tag but this is one solution that would probably work for the time being.

Ruku said:

Dickgirl has nothing to do here, might i add the continued existence of dickgirl is up to dabate.

What I mean is that we use girl in dickgirl already. in reply to this:

Ruku said:
just lil nag, wont oppose it if enough support it, but are all herms children?^^;

(I know your comment was meant to be tongue-in-cheek :P)

parasprite said:
boyherm/girlherm

These are fine for me, they match with the other already existing tags for intersex.

So, (if I am not wrong) our current organization for gender tags would be something like this:

¹ under intersex.
² temporary.

O16 said:
These are fine for me, they match with the other already existing tags for intersex.

match now but may not later, might i remind you that the continued existence of cuntboy and dickgirl is up to debate. the closed thread does not make the question of their continued existence over, it was left openended rather then making any kind of decistion.

Honestly no new tags for genders can be created until other issueS regarding existing gender tags are solved

Ruku said:
match now but may not later, might i remind you that the continued existence of cuntboy and dickgirl is up to debate. the closed thread does not make the question of their continued existence over, it was left openended rather then making any kind of decistion.

Honestly no new tags for genders can be created until other issueS regarding existing gender tags are solved

The complaint over those tags was the dick/cunt portion. And their limbo means nothing in relation to other potential tags.

.. O16 is showing up as the last poster here, but there is not a post from them on the end.. Not sure what is up with that..

savageorange said:
.. O16 is showing up as the last poster here, but there is not a post from them on the end.. Not sure what is up with that..

They may have hidden their comment.

Mutisija said:
Currently we have two herm tags: herm and maleherm which implies herm. So i propose that we split the tags in following way:
femaleherm for herms with breasts
maleherm for herms with masculine build and flat chest
ambiguous herm for herms that do not really fit to the other categories (for example feral herms without breasts and any feminine or masculine features and herms that have ambiguous build and chest hidden from view)
which all imply to herm.

It would make blacklisting and searching significantly easier. Like for example i do not like herms with breasts, but i dont mind any other herms, so i have blacklisted herm -maleherm. but it still it hides content like this
post #814574
i have no reliable way to blacklist ONLY herms with breasts (people do not tag breasts very often so blacklisting herm breasts -maleherm is not very good option, especially since it is possible that image contains for example herm with ambiguous body and a female character)

-1

Just because it is somewhat cumbersome and does not work 100% when searching, does not have to be changed. A herm is a herm, a maleherm is a herm without breasts. You can not change gender names, just because it is a bit cumbersome, as it is. As I said before, ultimately the whole works only as long as the blacklist also does what it should and this is not always the case. In addition, the Blacklist only works if the pictures also have the right tag and that is often enough not the case. Even uploaders regularly forget the Anthro tag, which should not be so difficult.

PlüschTiger said:
-1

Just because it is somewhat cumbersome and does not work 100% when searching, does not have to be changed. A herm is a herm, a maleherm is a herm without breasts. You can not change gender names, just because it is a bit cumbersome, as it is. As I said before, ultimately the whole works only as long as the blacklist also does what it should and this is not always the case. In addition, the Blacklist only works if the pictures also have the right tag and that is often enough not the case. Even uploaders regularly forget the Anthro tag, which should not be so difficult.

German - Deutsch

Nur weil es etwas umständlich ist und nicht 100% funktioniert beim Suchen, muss das nicht verändert werden. Ein Herm ist ein Herm, ein Maleherm ist ein herm ohne Brüste. Du kannst nicht nach belieben geschlechter Bezeichnungen verändern, nur weil es etwas umständlich ist, wie es ist. Wie ich bereits mal sagte, letztlich funktioniert das ganze nur so lange die blacklist auch das macht was sie soll und das ist nicht immer der Fall. Dazu kommt das auch die Blacklist nur funktioniert wenn die Bilder auch den Richtigen tag besitzen und das ist oft genug nicht der Fall. selbst maßen Uploader vergessen regelmäßig den Anthro tag, welcher ja nicht so schwer sein dürfte.

1. no, maleherm is not a herm wihout breasts. its a male character that has penis and vagina.
this is not for example a maleherm even though the character lacks breasts:
post #814574

2. did you even read what i wrote? this proposal is not about changing name for anything, i proposed adding two new categories under the herm umbrella tag to make searching and blacklisting more precise. herm would remain as it is but there would also be a tag for femaleherms and herms that are not maleherms or femaleherms.

Mutisija said:
its a male character that has penis and vagina.

Every herm fits that description.

BlueDingo said:
Every herm fits that description.

what? ...no?
post #1185420
this is not a male character that has penis and vagina??? its a female character that has penis and vagina.

is... everyone just going to come to this thread and throw their reading comprehension out of window or...??

Mutisija said:
what? ...no?
post #1185420
this is not a male character that has penis and vagina??? its a female character that has penis and vagina.

You don't know what male and female mean, do you?

From Google :
of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

Now please explain how the example you just provided doesn't fit that definition.

BlueDingo said:
You don't know what male and female mean, do you?

Now please explain how the example you just provided doesn't fit that definition.

we are talking about this site's definitions of this gender crap, not scientific definitions. if you have anything actual to contribute for this thread, do so, but this nitpicking is not helping anyone.

Ah yes, pointless semantics discussions with non-native english speakers to feel superior, my favorite breakfast entertainment.

BlueDingo said:
You don't know what male and female mean, do you?

From Google :
of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring.

Now please explain how the example you just provided doesn't fit that definition.

Substitute male with masculine physique and female with feminine physique and you're on the right track to what Mutisija is talking about.

Mutisija said:
we are talking about this site's definitions of this gender crap, not scientific definitions. if you have anything actual to contribute for this thread, do so, but this nitpicking is not helping anyone.

So you're referring to secondary characteristics, not primary characteristics.

NotMeNotYou said:
Ah yes, pointless semantics discussions with non-native english speakers to feel superior, my favorite breakfast entertainment.

Trust me, I'm not trying to be superior or anything. I'm just pointing out that the description wasn't a good one.

BlueDingo said:
So you're referring to secondary characteristics, not primary characteristics.

you know exactly what i was talking about. like i said, if you have anything to actually contribute for this thread, do so but drop the unnecessary nitpicking. its not helpful.

Ledian said:
1. no, maleherm is not a herm wihout breasts. its a male character that has penis and vagina.
this is not for example a maleherm even though the character lacks breasts:
post #814574

2. did you even read what i wrote? this proposal is not about changing name for anything, i proposed adding two new categories under the herm umbrella tag to make searching and blacklisting more precise. herm would remain as it is but there would also be a tag for femaleherms and herms that are not maleherms or femaleherms.

As you can see at my bad english, I am not an English expert and must translate everything with google. I can not read anything, especially if everyone uses untranslatable words and thinks everyone knows the local slang terms.

Whether man with vagina, or Herm without breasts, that is word play, it is both a Maleherm.

What you suggest is well meant, but unnecessary especially since it could collide with the rules anyway (see tag genders). You see the problem already in females + hyper, it is a female, or a cuntboy with muscles which look like breasts (with regard to Ambiguous herm). Ultimately, most people know that a herm all sexual characteristics and being a Maleherm without breasts and female figure. I think this change, though meant well, for not needed.

I agree, we're spamming this thread a bit too much, I'll reply in a dmail to you in a bit.

I've also put everything we've said into sections so our off-topic conversation has impact on the thread.