Aliasing: pinkamena_(mlp) -> pinkie_pie_(mlp)

If you want to search for Pinkie Pie with straight hair then search (and tag) Pinkie_Pie straight_hair Let's promote underused tag instead of creating new one.
No other original fan character that is almost the same with original (futashy, princess_molestia) has separate tag, and I don't see reason for this tag to exist.

Also when I tried to create alias form I've got "Error: pinkamena_(mlp) is already aliased to something" message. It's not true - it only implies PP.

I thought the argument was that Pinkamena is canon, and actually Pinkies real name, and Pinkie Pie was her nickname, whereas Futashy/Molestia were fan-created names.

Rocket_Corgi said:
I thought the argument was that Pinkamena is canon, and actually Pinkies real name, and Pinkie Pie was her nickname, whereas Futashy/Molestia were fan-created names.

And how does it matter whether it's her original name or not? One character shouldn't have two names in tags.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And how does it matter whether it's her original name or not? One character shouldn't have two names in tags.

why not? easier to find.

With alias everyone who searches for Pinkamena would get Pinkie_Pie anyway, and number of useless tags would reduce.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
With alias everyone who searches for Pinkamena would get Pinkie_Pie anyway, and number of useless tags would reduce.

..point understood.

Useless tag? I don't think so. In the show pinkie pie has two visually/emotitionally different personalities, and everyone uses name Pinkamena to find the "dark" pinkie or something like that. Don't complicate the search, please.

But straight_hair tag is also should be added to all Pinkamena's pictures, in case someone isn't aware of that name yet and trying to compose search request from what he saw: pinkie_pie+straight_hair. You are absolutely right at this.

Gilda_The_Gryphon said:
And how does it matter whether it's her original name or not? One character shouldn't have two names in tags.

I dunno man, I'm with you on this one. Just pointing out what someone else would have invariably come in and stated later on, but not as nicely.

mlp said:
Useless tag? I don't think so. In the show pinkie pie has two visually/emotitionally different personalities, and everyone uses name Pinkamena to find the "dark" pinkie or something like that. Don't complicate the search, please.

By something like "dark" you mean this:
post #315440
or this?
post #315466
or this?
post #329029

But even if the tag would be cleaned then there are a lot other ponies with different forms for which you could make similar argument. For example:
Princess_Molestia - Lusty side of Princess Celestia.
Futashy - Rather horny pet Fluttershy with penis.
Non-Mlp example: Fauna which was, if I remember correctly, leoian's version of Flora from Twokinds, only with bigger tits.

They are all aliased, so I'm either for aliasing everything, or leaving everything as a valid tags. There shouldn't be exception , especially for such a lame pony, and I'm more for first option. There is separate site for tags like this.

Lol now I see. After more than a year of the tag having a pretty valid use, you ups and happen to hate the tag. I am loving your spirit. I wonder what brought about this sudden change in thinking that this tag must die. Was it a forum were another user disagreed with you on some tagging issue?

especially for such a lame pony

To me you just don't like the character in general or is it something or someone else driving this hate? By the way, Love your new avatar. It sets the objective of the alias attempt so clearly.

Next on your campaign you can go get nightmare_moon_(mlp) aliased to princess_luna_(mlp)

Falord said:
Lol now I see. After more than a year of the tag having a pretty valid use, you ups and happen to hate the tag. I am loving your spirit. I wonder what brought about this sudden change in thinking that this tag must die. Was it a forum were another user disagreed with you on some tagging issue? To me you just don't like the character in general or is it something or someone else driving this hate? By the way, Love your new avatar. It sets the objective of the alias attempt so clearly.

Next on your campaign you can go get nightmare_moon_(mlp) aliased to princess_luna_(mlp)

It all makes sense now

Gilda, "there are a lot other ponies" is not a valid reason to make search more complicated. We are talking about tags, that allows people get what they want. Think about all confused users, trying to find pinkamena's pictures and getting both pinkamena and pinkie pie.

Will e621 user be satisfied with Pinkie Pie and Pinkamena pictures in pinkamena_(mlp) tag search result? Answer is NO.
Maybe pinkie_pie+straight_hair tags? Nope, user still mad. Search results will contain Pinkie Pie with other character having straight hair.
But are they satisfied now, getting pinkamena pics in pinkamena_(mlp) tag search result? Yes! Except you, maybe. 'Cause Gilda hates Pinkie Pie :)

And yes, molestia, futashy and others "dual" characters probably should be reconsidered as separate tags, if they have clearly visible differences.

I personally like the tag, cause I dont have to waste one of my 6 Tags for "straight hair" and I only get "Pinkamena" pics when I search them.

Wouldn´t mind to have "Molestia" and "Futashy". Just makes searching/blacklisting easier

I imagine they make that exception because pinkamena has gone somewhere quite silly thanks to an odd fanbase and pics of her are usually polarizing, so might as well cover it with that.

People want to avoid (or find) the fan version creepy stuff, not just her with straight hair

Falord said:
Lol now I see. After more than a year of the tag having a pretty valid use, you ups and happen to hate the tag. I am loving your spirit. I wonder what brought about this sudden change in thinking that this tag must die.
Was it a forum were another user disagreed with you on some tagging issue?

Of course, it's because of you. I mean, normally all my alias/implication suggestions are to tag made seconds ago, or the ones that weren't even made yet. And for sure I've never suggested removal of any MLP related tags. But now I make my evil plan - I waited long time, only to destroy the tag in way that would hurt you the most. How did you see through my evil manipulation?
Next time when I disagree with you please make a list of tags that you like and send it to me, so I won't touch it for a period of time when you remember that disagreement. (5 years?)

Falord said:
To me you just don't like the character in general or is it something or someone else driving this hate?

Of course someone else is driving this hate - I'm working for Illuminati, like all gryphons.

Falord said:
Next on your campaign you can go get nightmare_moon_(mlp) aliased to princess_luna_(mlp)

Of course, after all:
- Nightmare Moon is fandom nickname for sad/mad/whatever Luna. And she is absolutely not canon. Not at all.
- Her form was changing by her mood, not by magical transformation.
- She totally looks like Luna with straight hair, and little more dark (or not) fur. And for sure she doesn't look much more different than her normal form.

mlp said:
Gilda, "there are a lot other ponies" is not a valid reason to make search more complicated.

It's called the rules. And rules are making search complicated for many people - like those who would really like tags like <gender>_<species> We have to decide when tags are too specific.

mlp said:
Will e621 user be satisfied with Pinkie Pie and Pinkamena pictures in pinkamena_(mlp) tag search result? Answer is NO.
Maybe pinkie_pie+straight_hair tags? Nope, user still mad. Search results will contain Pinkie Pie with other character having straight hair.
But are they satisfied now, getting pinkamena pics in pinkamena_(mlp) tag search result?

If someone thinks that character with other hairstyle should have separate tag then it's this user problem. What next? Are we going to tag cub Twilight twily? Young Luna as woona? anthro_pinkie for anthrofied pinkie? anthro_pinkie_being_fucked_in_the_ass_by_futa_feral_twily?

You said in previous post that

Useless tag? I don't think so. In the show pinkie pie has two visually/emotitionally different personalities, and everyone uses name Pinkamena to find the "dark" pinkie or something like that.

I looked at what's tagged with this tag now.
And now one of the pictures tagged with this tag is:
post #315440
this is not "dark" version of PP, but nobody seemed to care enough to change it. There was even Falord changing tags there - he apparently didn't see anything wrong with this picture tagged Pinkamena. Unless he uses tag script with tags like signature blue_background gray_fur duo

So who is this "everyone" who uses this tag to find "dark" (By dark you mean murderous? Emo? Pinkie from Pinkamena tumblr? Young Pinkie?) version of Pinkie Pie. This tag is just useless and misleading.

All I can say after all that is.... NEW IT lol

So basically you're for allowing all characters almost identical to official mlp characters to have separate tags?
Like
Bubble Berry
Kinkie Pie
Inkie Ie and Rainbo Das
and many, many, MANY more since number of (not so) original characters is much bigger than that.

Just want to be sure that I understand what you want.

Enough, everyone. Keep it civil and stop throwing mud, don't care who started it, arguing stops here. This has already been discussed and we found it would be easier to leave them separate because they are very different and contrasting characters, similar to nightmare moon and princess luna

Rainbow_Dash said:
Enough, everyone. Keep it civil and stop throwing mud, don't care who started it, arguing stops here. This has already been discussed and we found it would be easier to leave them separate because they are very different and contrasting characters, similar to nightmare moon and princess luna

If that's the case then when Pinkamena tag should be used? Now it is used for:
mad/psycho Pinkie Pie
post #159693
sad/discorded Pinkie Pie
post #330701
young Pinkie Pie
post #315440
absolutely normal Pinkie Pie, only with straight hair
post #330887

In many cases I don't see that character tagged with this tag is very different from original. And Nightmare Moon is canon, and it's clearly defined character. In contrast Pinkamena, judging by usage of tag, is not.