I've been having trouble with this with a few tags, most commonly "butterfly"

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, or if we should develop some way to differentiate the two. Trying to find anthro butterflies is not an easy task, and there seems to be very little way to easily filter out images like these:

post #531792 post #1296937 post #1265031 post #465022

Nevan said:
I've been having trouble with this with a few tags, most commonly "butterfly"

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, or if we should develop some way to differentiate the two. Trying to find anthro butterflies is not an easy task, and there seems to be very little way to easily filter out images like these:

post #531792 post #1296937 post #1265031 post #465022

These exist actually, they're known as the ambient_* species tags. So: ambient insect/ambient butterfly would be used on those posts, since they're ambient and not in focus.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
These exist actually, they're known as the ambient_* species tags. So: ambient insect/ambient butterfly would be used on those posts, since they're ambient and not in focus.

They're not nearly tagged often enough, but I try to add them when I see them. :)

SnowWolf said:
They're not nearly tagged often enough, but I try to add them when I see them. :)

It's a recent addition. Until stumbling on those a few days ago, I wasn't even aware that the group got past the planning stage. The discussion got bogged down by arguments about it being too difficult to tag.

But they seem to be working in well practice. Which isn't surprising, it's usually not difficult to tell what's the focus of the post.

I presume that the rules about tagging character counts haven't changed though, and ambient life is still counted? So the above thumbs are all solo_focus, not solo.

Genjar said:
It's a recent addition. Until stumbling on those a few days ago, I wasn't even aware that the group got past the planning stage. The discussion got bogged down by arguments about it being too difficult to tag.

Mmm.. Honestly, I'm pretty sure I started it. my thread was about 6 months ago, and I generally went with the opinion of "Be the change you want to see in the world" at that point.

The thread that bogged down in arguing was more about "we shouldn't tag these things at all" ...

So, y'know. be the change you want to see... Shouldn't have done that, but... it's done and several people seem to be using them, actually, which is pretty neat.

But they seem to be working in well practice. Which isn't surprising, it's usually not difficult to tell what's the focus of the post.

I presume that the rules about tagging character counts haven't changed though, and ambient life is still counted? So the above thumbs are all solo_focus, not solo.

I honestly don't know.

I'd presume that that would be true... though I, personally,. would probably still tag post #465022 as solo, jsut because I had to really hunt to find those butterflies. The other three are quickly and easily spotted.

But, I might be wrong, lol.

I kind of pulled a "Be the change you want to see" with cleft tails without any discussion whatsoever, and that worked out. There are simply some tags that are important enough that they catch on and work.
There definitely should be communication about these things though, make sure it actually is needed, even if there's a handfull of people who don't agree

While we're on the topic of ambient creatures, should I be tagging them with genders? Currently I'm adding gender tags to every entity in a post, but it seems kind of pointless to just add ambiguous_gender to every single one of these posts.

Furrin_Gok said:
I kind of pulled a "Be the change you want to see" with cleft tails without any discussion whatsoever, and that worked out. There are simply some tags that are important enough that they catch on and work.
There definitely should be communication about these things though, make sure it actually is needed, even if there's a handfull of people who don't agree

Discussion should happen, definetly. I was not acting in accordance with modern site standards when I set to work and it is easy to mess things up if you're not careful.

For my ambient_* posts, I justified that it would be an easy fix if anyone disagreed--I was just adding tags, not removing them.

I"m saying this mostly so that no one else gets any ideas :)

darryus said:
While we're on the topic of ambient creatures, should I be tagging them with genders? Currently I'm adding gender tags to every entity in a post, but it seems kind of pointless to just add ambiguous_gender to every single one of these posts.

Honestly, I'd say no. the rules might disagree with me, though.

I feel it depends on the type of ambient animal. Ambient animals can be in more focus on some images than others and in that case I think they can warrant a gender tag? If it's like super far in the background and hardly visible? Then no.

I think it's a case by case basis thing

I feel like in general including ambient animals in group/gender tagging is kinda missing the spirit of group/gender tagging, even if it's technically following the letter of the rules. Those tags are meant to be applied to characters and more often then not ambient animals aren't treated as characters. Most solo/duo images with ambient animals have more in common with regular solo/duo images than they do with solo/duo_focus images.