Both are pretty well used tags, but both are pretty much the same: characters in content celebrating things such as as big muscles, harsh features, fatness, broadness, facial hair, etc.

It seems both tags are essentially used for the same purpose... so should we alias it? If we do I wouldn't mind it either way, whichever way would be best understood.

Or perhaps one of the two could imply it, but it seems they're the same so why be redundant? Unless I'm missing the differences between the two.

I've never heard of barazoku before, though I have seen "bara" on sites like Danbooru.

BlueDingo said:
I've never heard of barazoku before, though I have seen "bara" on sites like Danbooru.

Barazoku is the full name for bara; bara was aliased to it on here.

But yeah, manly might be better known than "barazoku", BUT some might know the shortened term "bara" as a genre better, so a possibility could be de-aliasing bara from barazoku, and then aliasing the two to "bara" instead.

Either way I personally think they should be aliased together as they seem to serve the same purpose, though I'm not sure in which way.

They don't mean the same thing. Bara is a branch of gay porn while manly is a character description. Maybe barazoku I-> manly, unless non-manly examples exist.

BlueDingo said:
They don't mean the same thing. Bara is a branch of gay porn while manly is a character description. Maybe barazoku I-> manly, unless non-manly examples exist.

An implication could work for sure, especially when considering:

"On e621.net, because the tag bear is used to reference the animal, barazoku is now the replacement tag for both Western and Japanese-styles of masculine, muscular, usually gay-themed, erotic imagery."

And while yes it is a manga genre, in popular use it essentially is content focusing on masculine content, hence why I was wondering if a possible alias might be needed.

But yeah, an implication could work as well.

I'm all for getting rid of manly, one way or an another.
It started as a tag for 'masculine' females (girly and manly were paired tags). But the usage got switched around by someone. Now it's just a mess, with some users still trying to tag it by the original usage and others 'cleaning' those out and mass-tagging it for muscular males.

No and neither. Bara just means gay porn made by gay folks, FOR gay folks.

Demesejha said:
No and neither. Bara just means gay porn made by gay folks, FOR gay folks.

Bara explicitly focuses on masculine men tho, whether they be musclechubs, plain muscular, hair DILF's... etc etc. I feel it should at the very least imply manly

facelessmess said:
Bara explicitly focuses on masculine men tho, whether they be musclechubs, plain muscular, hair DILF's... etc etc. I feel it should at the very least imply manly

not really, manliness is just common since the whole genre is kinda for creating what yaoi never gives (which is gay male porn from women for women where characters are often incredibly feminine) and bara often focuses on what gay men want to see when they are jacking it.

Ledian said:
not really, manliness is just common since the whole genre is kinda for creating what yaoi never gives (which is gay male porn from women for women where characters are often incredibly feminine) and bara often focuses on what gay men want to see when they are jacking it.

Basically this, its a westernism and doesn't actually mean "muscle" "chub" or any of those things.

Demesejha said:
Basically this, its a westernism and doesn't actually mean "muscle" "chub" or any of those things.

The tag needs a big cleanup then, as most people on this site tend to use it and manly as one in the same. Perhaps a cleanup of the wiki page addressing this or something?

facelessmess said:
The tag needs a big cleanup then, as most people on this site tend to use it and manly as one in the same. Perhaps a cleanup of the wiki page addressing this or something?

Thats probably the best thing to do honestly, a lot of other tags are falling into the same issue as well.