Topic: Tag Alias: egg_cell -> ovum

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

dr-spangle said:
Oh well, I went and manually fixed them all

you probably should not have done that. now its harder to determinate how often this happens and how many people are using the tag to see if the alias is necessary

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Genjar

Former Staff

siikaprinssi said:
now its harder to determinate how often this happens and how many people are using the tag to see if the alias is necessary

At least 32 instances according to the tag history, first used on post #142395.

That's more than I expected based on the OP, which says a 'few'. Still on the low side, but might be common enough to be aliased since it's very likely to be used again.

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siikaprinssi said:
you probably should not have done that. now its harder to determinate how often this happens and how many people are using the tag to see if the alias is necessary

Wait a second here...so you have the power to approve aliases? But instead of approving this you just come in and shit on the guy for doing it himself? How about you just approve it instead, or do you have some sort of disagreement with this?

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Dyrone said:
Wait a second here...so you have the power to approve aliases? But instead of approving this you just come in and shit on the guy for doing it himself? How about you just approve it instead, or do you have some sort of disagreement with this?

What are you on about? He's only privileged, not moderator+. He can't approve aliases.

Updated by anonymous

Yeah, being privileged definitely has some useful perks, but we can't approve aliases or even change tag types of tags used over 100 times. We still rely on mods for it

User ranks:
Privileged: Unlimited tag edits and comments, can search up to eight tags simultaneously, can apply tag scripts, use Dtext color tags

Anyways, +1 to OP's alias

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Furrin_Gok said:
What are you on about? He's only privileged, not moderator+. He can't approve aliases.

Hmmm I could have sworn when looking through the alias list I saw his uname approve something...nvm >.>

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Dyrone said:
Hmmm I could have sworn when looking through the alias list I saw his uname approve something...nvm >.>

We are listed under moderator actions when we do things like lock the rating of posts, so maybe that's what confused you?

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SnowWolf

Former Staff

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
Yeah, being privileged definitely has some useful perks, but we can't approve aliases or even change tag types of tags used over 100 times. We still rely on mods for it

Janitors can't even do that.

Dude's just being helpful, y'all. Thank you, siikaprinssi :) and thank you dr-spangle! While Siikaprinssi is right, I don't thing that it harms anything to go ahead and condense the tags -- just mention how many posts you change the tag on. :)

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SnowWolf said:
Dude's just being helpful, y'all

Actually he's just complaining. I think being helpful would be to propose a solution to prevent this in the future. Something like "hey, if you're going to merge the tags please include the original numbers in your post, so we can use them for discussion going forward."

Telling someone to not act proactively and merge a tiny tag into a massive one is wrong imo. I think more people should do that especially because you're going to be on the alias waiting list for sometimes years. The guy posted....waited 24 days...didn't seem to be any problems raised by anyone, and decided to merge the tags, I think that's good (and you do too apparently).

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Dyrone said:
Actually he's just complaining. I think being helpful would be to propose a solution to prevent this in the future. Something like "hey, if you're going to merge the tags please include the original numbers in your post, so we can use them for discussion going forward."

Telling someone to not act proactively and merge a tiny tag into a massive one is wrong imo. I think more people should do that especially because you're going to be on the alias waiting list for sometimes years. The guy posted....waited 24 days...didn't seem to be any problems raised by anyone, and decided to merge the tags, I think that's good (and you do too apparently).

maybe chill a little? how that exactly reads as complaining to you? i stated that it was probably not best thing to do and i explained why i thought that its not best course of action.

nuking a tag literally does make it harder to analyze how necessary the tag alias can be. i can no longer see with simple glance in the tag search how common the tag is is and instead i would need to go through tag histories and count the individual posts to get rough idea. also the tag histories are a lot harder to navigate to comb through a bunch of posts to see if they were all tagged by individual urser.

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siikaprinssi said:
maybe chill a little? how that exactly reads as complaining to you? i stated that it was probably not best thing to do and i explained why i thought that its not best course of action.

Well that's like...your opinion man. I'm here to say...do the opposite of that.

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SnowWolf

Former Staff

Dyrone said:
Actually he's just complaining. I think being helpful would be to propose a solution to prevent this in the future. Something like "hey, if you're going to merge the tags please include the original numbers in your post, so we can use them for discussion going forward."

Dude. No. I went back and read it three times. His tone is mildly negative at the 'best'. Your reply indicated that you thought he was an admin, perhaps because you thought he was being negligent in his duties, your opinion of his tone was influenced?

Telling someone to not act proactively and merge a tiny tag into a massive one is wrong imo. I think more people should do that especially because you're going to be on the alias waiting list for sometimes years.

Well, the thing is, looking in the tag history for specific tag changes can be long and server intensive.

Plus, sometimes people decide that two tags are redundant and that they should be merged, when they're actually not redundant at all. (For exampling.... hand_on_breast, breast_grab, breast_fondling, holding_breast, and breast_squeeze ... each tag has it's purpose, though by the name, they might be easily confused.) (actually I won't swear that some of those are not redundant, but that's very off topic ATM)

so if someone squished breast_grab and holding_breast together, then there would be a huge mess to clean up.

sometimes it's pretty obvious -- breasts_grab and breast_grab, but then we must considered the whole "it takes tiem to search the tag change search thing" thing... and that adds an extra step of frustration to the whole 'approving aliases' thing

The guy posted....waited 24 days...didn't seem to be any problems raised by anyone, and decided to merge the tags, I think that's good (and you do too apparently).

I do! I think he should have acted *slightly* differently, but he wanted to help! That's fantastic! I wish more people would try to help out! Most people come here, fap and leave. SOme comment, some read the forums. But the community who participates in social interaction here--in forums and discord--is WAY larger than the community of people who engage in actively trying to improve the site. And that's fine. Tagging and organizing and uploading isn't for everyone :) But if someone shows that they would LIKE to participate in tagging talk, in improving tags and wikis, if they would LIKE to try and make the website a better place, I'm gonna encourage the heck out of that!

But in the grand scheme of things "egg_cell" and "ovum" are pretty clearly interchangeable, and if we decide it should be egg_cell instead, it's a really easy fix. (I like ovum, though)

So, this was, over all, a really low-stakes issue, y'know? He's been gently corrected, and will hopefully decide that helping out was rewarding and keep doing so. <3

Updated by anonymous

This one's an old thread worth bumping: Ovum can sometimes be confused with ovary by people, so I can see why there's some hesitation in the approval process, but it seems worth it to me. Worst case, we flip this around.

Could I bump this again? It seems relatively obvious, and it seems aliases are getting worked through again nowadays

Why does it take so long for these aliases and implications anyway? I don't mean for this question to be confrontational or hostile, I just never got it.

showmebruv said:
Why does it take so long for these aliases and implications anyway? I don't mean for this question to be confrontational or hostile, I just never got it.

There's multiple reasons it can happen. The staff have lives, some requests need discussion, and some things can just slip through the cracks.

showmebruv said:
Why does it take so long for these aliases and implications anyway? I don't mean for this question to be confrontational or hostile, I just never got it.

furrin_gok said:
There's multiple reasons it can happen. The staff have lives, some requests need discussion, and some things can just slip through the cracks.

In order to prevent queue bloat, someone has to do a bit of work pretty much every day. It does not have to be a lot, but at least a dozen or so requests should be handled.
Same principle as with the uploads or tickets, really.

For about 3 years, nobody was doing it. Millcore would take care of a bunch of requests once every few months, but in the grand scheme of things, it was not enough.
Right now, I'm trying to take care of about 20-30 requests a day, if possible. By my calculations, the queue will be in a decent shape by the end of the year.

bitwolfy said:
In order to prevent queue bloat, someone has to do a bit of work pretty much every day. It does not have to be a lot, but at least a dozen or so requests should be handled.
Same principle as with the uploads or tickets, really.

For about 3 years, nobody was doing it. Millcore would take care of a bunch of requests once every few months, but in the grand scheme of things, it was not enough.
Right now, I'm trying to take care of about 20-30 requests a day, if possible. By my calculations, the queue will be in a decent shape by the end of the year.

Thank you for that by the way! It's super great to see these requests finally being sorted!

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