Aliasing lilo → lilo_pelekai
Link to alias

Reason:

Character's full name. Considering her sister and most other Lilo & Stitch characters with known surnames (such as David Kawena, Mertle Edmonds, Jumba Jookiba, and Cobra Bubbles) are tagged by their full names, why can't Lilo Pelekai herself?

Yes, I know this means that the content on the Lilo wiki page will have to be moved over to the Lilo Pelekai page and that a new implication to Lilo & Stitch would have to be made for the full name tag, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem, right? (At least for the wiki page move it would be just a cut-and-paste.)

March 27, 2019 Update: This issue has been fixed with the implication from lilo to lilo_and_stitch deleted and an implication for lilo_pelekai to lilo_and_stitch created.

Other tag alias suggestions:

• dr_hamsterviel → dr_hämsterviel: To incorporate the umlaut in the character's name. March 27, 2019 Update: Done with both those tags, among others, being aliased to dr._hämsterviel (note the period/full stop). However, I did notice that none of the new aliases include either jacques_von_hamsterviel or jacques_von_hämsterviel to dr._hämsterviel, but there are new aliases that include the "dr." prefix (both with and without the period/full stop) before his full name.
• grand_council_woman → grand_councilwoman: "Councilwoman" is spelled as one word, not two. March 27, 2019 Update: Not happened yet. However, an implication from grand_councilwoman to lilo_and_stitch has been made recently.

Tag implication suggestions:

To avoid having to make new posts involving the same copyright, I would also like to suggest these tag implications.

• To lilo_and_stitch:
• All Lilo & Stitch character tags, including the character tags for each individual experiment. (i.e. Sparky, Leroy, etc.) March 27, 2019 Update: A large number of characters now have implications to lilo_and_stitch, including nearly all major and minor recurring non-experiment characters and a good number of experiments with at least ten posts.
• stitch! (the anime spin-off) March 27, 2019 Update: Not happened yet.
• To stitch!:
• yuna_kamihara March 27, 2019 Update: Not happened yet.
• cyber_(stitch!) March 27, 2019 Update: Not happened yet.
• dark_end March 27, 2019 Update: Not happened yet.
• I am not implying twang_(lilo_and_stitch) to Stitch! for now because, even though that character's only franchise appearance has been through that anime, he's much more likely to have a chance of appearing in a future Lilo & Stitch work (however unlikely that may happen) than either Cyber or Dark End due to being a numbered experiment. (Cyber is "Experiment Zero", but he was really made up just for that show; he's not even listed in Leroy & Stitch. Dark End was created by an anime-exclusive character, not Jumba or Hämsterviel.)

Lilo itself should not remain aliased long. There's at least one character named lilo* other than Lilo Pelakai, thankfully not mixed into that tag, but changing it to be lilo_(lilo_and_stitch) and lilo_(disney) -> lilo_pelekai would be beneficial.

Furrin_Gok said:
Lilo itself should not remain aliased long. There's at least one character named lilo* other than Lilo Pelakai, thankfully not mixed into that tag, but changing it to be lilo_(lilo_and_stitch) and lilo_(disney) -> lilo_pelekai would be beneficial.

Understood on that account. That said, I don't want to have to have to change every lilo tag to lilo_pelekai just to avoid aliasing, especially if I have to disable my blacklist and look at thumbnails of loli and other explicit images of her to edit the tags. (Side note: That's an unfortunate anagram right there. lilo → loli) That or download an automatic image replacing extension to temporarily hide all images on my browser.

So if a temporary aliasing of lilo to lilo_pelekai is possible, then that would be better so the Lilo & Stitch character does not take exclusive control of the lilo tag, although the already existing implication of lilo → lilo_and_stitch would have to be removed. From there, lilo could be aliased to lilo_(disambiguation) instead afterwards.

That is not how alias requests work. Either do it yourself, ask in the tagging projects thread, or ask IRC or etc. for someone else to do it.

I don't think a wrong alias request, even if temporary, is going to be accepted.

Hell, just use the tag edit mode for lilo lilo_and_stitch so you don't have to actually see the image. It'll still show up as blacklisted in the thumbnail, and it lets you access the tags without viewing the post.

Siral_Exan said:
That is not how alias requests work. Either do it yourself, ask in the tagging projects thread, or ask IRC or etc. for someone else to do it.

I don't think a wrong alias request, even if temporary, is going to be accepted.

Hell, just use the tag edit mode for lilo lilo_and_stitch so you don't have to actually see the image. It'll still show up as blacklisted in the thumbnail, and it lets you access the tags without viewing the post.

I'm a bit scatterbrained right now, but I'm not seeing a problem with what he suggested.

Knotty_Curls said:
I'm a bit scatterbrained right now, but I'm not seeing a problem with what he suggested.

Lilo to lilo_pelekai is wrong, it is a common name that shouldn't be aliased to a Disney character. Someone will fix the mistakes when it occurs, which wastes just as much (if not more) time & effort than manually fixing.

For the record, I don't see any blacklisted posts at all when I'm in edit mode and my blacklist is enabled; nothing with the white "Blacklisted" thumbnail at all. I cannot edit tags of blacklisted posts without disabling it and seeing the thumbnails. Yet over on the wiki, any thumbnails of posts containing my blacklisted tags are properly censored instead of outright hidden from my view.

BooruHitomi said:
For the record, I don't see any blacklisted posts at all when I'm in edit mode and my blacklist is enabled; nothing with the white "Blacklisted" thumbnail at all. I cannot edit tags of blacklisted posts without disabling it and seeing the thumbnails. Yet over on the wiki, any thumbnails of posts containing my blacklisted tags are properly censored instead of outright hidden from my view.

Do you not see the option to disable blacklist in the posts section? It turns it off to make the thumbnail interactable. It should leave it with blacklisted in the thumbnail, but I don't have any to check wih. It did that when I was bothering with parent posts earlier today.

I see "Toggle Blacklist" under the Blacklist dropdown, but clicking on that shows me thumbnails as they are uncensored. If there's really an option to show the blacklisted posts in the search while still censoring those thumbnails, I would love to know where it is right now.

BooruHitomi said:
I see "Toggle Blacklist" under the Blacklist dropdown, but clicking on that shows me thumbnails as they are uncensored. If there's really an option to show the blacklisted posts in the search while still censoring those thumbnails, I would love to know where it is right now.

Then my sympathies, I have no idea why I got different results. I'm willing to manually fix it myself, just not this second.

Siral_Exan said:
Lilo to lilo_pelekai is wrong, it is a common name that shouldn't be aliased to a Disney character. Someone will fix the mistakes when it occurs, which wastes just as much (if not more) time & effort than manually fixing.

But if I have understood correctly, the main point was to move all current posts under new tag and then go from there, instead of disambiguation the old tag and going trough everything by hand.

And this move can be done, just that easiest way to do that is to momentarily alias the tag, the alias can then be edited or removed.

this is what I've gathered so far:

• remove lilo -> lilo_and_stitch implication
• Find the minority of posts that aren't the character from Lilo & Stitch, and attempt to tag them accordingly.
• quickly alias all remaining Lilo posts to the full name
• immediately dealias and disambiguate
• add lilo_and_stitch implication to the full name

Knotty_Curls said:
this is what I've gathered so far:

• remove lilo -> lilo_and_stitch implication
• Find the minority of posts that aren't the character from Lilo & Stitch, and attempt to tag them accordingly.
• quickly alias all remaining Lilo posts to the full name
• immediately dealias and disambiguate
• add lilo_and_stitch implication to the full name

Basically, yes.

I'm seeing an alias, lilo -> lilo_pelekai, a second comment after Furrin's statement which continues that we should dealias after to fix any mistake, and then alias to a disambiguation (keeping the implication with the full name).

With any scenario, manual work is required. The initial suggestion is not correct, and refusing to do manual work because of blacklist reasons, while honorable and acceptable, doesn't make the initial suggestion right.

I suggest that we fix it up now and then make the aliases/implications, over making an alias, fixing the mistakes, dealiasing, and then making appropriate aliases/implications.

But at this point we're calling a rose by another name, any solution is better than no solution. Or: we agree, so let's not argue.

between Kirby and Lilo and Stitch, these two franchises are having a field week.

i'm also in favour of the umlaut suggestion; it's only proper örthography.

Siral_Exan said:
That is not how alias requests work. Either do it yourself, ask in the tagging projects thread, or ask IRC or etc. for someone else to do it.

I don't think a wrong alias request, even if temporary, is going to be accepted.

Please stop talking if everything you have to say is only based on the first sentence of the OP's post and then a regurgitation of what someone else said two posts above you.

You are not helping a thread by wasting everyone's time restating a single argument of someone else in a different dress while ignoring everything else that's going on.

NotMeNotYou said:
Please stop talking if everything you have to say is only based on the first sentence of the OP's post and then a regurgitation of what someone else said two posts above you.

You are not helping a thread by wasting everyone's time restating a single argument of someone else in a different dress while ignoring everything else that's going on.

While arguing to you wouldn't do any favors, I did respecify myself after another admin intervened. I was debating skipping to step 3 and just talk to Knotty in IRC.

Siral_Exan said:
I'm seeing an alias, lilo -> lilo_pelekai, a second comment after Furrin's statement which continues that we should dealias after to fix any mistake, and then alias to a disambiguation (keeping the implication with the full name).

With any scenario, manual work is required. The initial suggestion is not correct, and refusing to do manual work because of blacklist reasons, while honorable and acceptable, doesn't make the initial suggestion right.

I suggest that we fix it up now and then make the aliases/implications, over making an alias, fixing the mistakes, dealiasing, and then making appropriate aliases/implications.

But at this point we're calling a rose by another name, any solution is better than no solution. Or: we agree, so let's not argue.

The list I provided is meant to be completed in order. I think you and I are arguing the same thing.

Siral_Exan said:
I was debating skipping to step 3 and just talk to Knotty in IRC.

Please don't do this. Keep the discussion in one place, where it's documented.

Knotty_Curls said:
Please don't do this. Keep the discussion in one place, where it's documented.

But I didn't, for Notme's reference, and that should speak in volumes that I was misunderstood and chose to respecify what I said (meant).

I had to abstain for a few hours because I felt that the whole conversation was derailing over this frankly needless argument over how tag aliasing should be done. Really, the way the forum went gave me quite the grievance and I felt like nothing was going to get done in the end.

Besides, even if I were to edit all the posts tagged lilo and lilo_and_stitch to have the former tag changed to lilo_pelekai, lilo would still have to have its implication to lilo_and_stitch removed afterwards so it does not refer to the Disney character exclusively and a new implication made for the full name to the copyright tag.

So, I would like to propose that someone would follow what Knotty said earlier in the order of how they wrote it instead of how I initially suggested just the simple "alias lilo to lilo_pelekai" thing earlier.

Knotty_Curls said:
this is what I've gathered so far:

• remove lilo -> lilo_and_stitch implication
• Find the minority of posts that aren't the character from Lilo & Stitch, and attempt to tag them accordingly.
• quickly alias all remaining Lilo posts to the full name
• immediately dealias and disambiguate
• add lilo_and_stitch implication to the full name

Also, could I please get some thoughts over the other tag aliases and implications I suggested when I made this thread?

BooruHitomi said:

Other tag alias suggestions:

• dr_hamsterviel → dr_hämsterviel: To incorporate the umlaut in the character's name.
• grand_council_woman → grand_councilwoman: "Councilwoman" is spelled as one word, not two.

Tag implication suggestions:

To avoid having to make new posts involving the same copyright, I would also like to suggest these tag implications.

• To lilo_and_stitch:
• All Lilo & Stitch character tags, including the character tags for each individual experiment. (i.e. Sparky, Leroy, etc.)
• stitch! (the anime spin-off)
• To stitch!:
• yuna_kamihara
• cyber_(stitch!)
• dark_end
• I am not implying twang_(lilo_and_stitch) to Stitch! for now because, even though that character's only franchise appearance has been through that anime, he's much more likely to have a chance of appearing in a future Lilo & Stitch work (however unlikely that may happen) than either Cyber or Dark End due to being a numbered experiment. (Cyber is "Experiment Zero", but he was really made up just for that show; he's not even listed in Leroy & Stitch. Dark End was created by an anime-exclusive character, not Jumba or Hämsterviel.)

fewrahuxo said:
between Kirby and Lilo and Stitch, these two franchises are having a field week.

i'm also in favour of the umlaut suggestion; it's only proper örthography.

I think I'm responsible for the kirby field all by myself.

Regarding the "Not lilo and stitch" images, when I ran a search, they all appeared to be Lilo Pelakai, excluding any blacklisted images. Which, if it's blacklisted under "human child rating:e" I'm gonna just go ahead and assume that yes, it's her.