Aliasing irlsealpup → judylavernehopps
Link to alias

Reason:

Same artist. "irlsealpup" is the artist's DeviantArt name, while "judylavernehopps" is her Tumblr account. Both her Tumblr and her DeviantArt page link to her personal website. (Linked to on Tumblr under the button that says "WEBSITE".)

EDIT: The tag alias irlsealpup -> judylavernehopps (forum #247784) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.

-1, this is a mistake waiting to happen. And I wouldn’t suggest a suffix or reversing the alias, you are literally suggesting an alias with an artist and a character’s full un-underscored name. There’s a threat of mistagging in this, especially from FA images where people do not space out the name all the time and instead use one word.

No matter how common or uncommon that name is, that is Judy_Hopps’ name. The website you linked has expired, so I wouldn’t suggest an alias go that unless it gets renewed.

The best course of action is: we sift through any images tagged judylavernehopps and separate between the artist irlsealpup, the character Judy_Hopps, or both. We should alias the full name to Judy Hopps since we already have her un-underscored common name in there, along with its underscored counterpart Judy_Laverne_Hopps.

+1
Judy's full name is never used in the source material and the only reference to it is, I think, a twitter comment about a cut scene.

While there is a threat of mistagging, It's highly, highly unlikely, and if we went by your course of action, we'd also need to figure out what to do with basically any artist who's name is close to a canon character's name (and there are a LOT of pony artists who qualify) ... and if we do that, what about cases where the artist's name and a character's name are similar? There are probably thousands of cases where SparkleWolf_(artist) has drawn pictures of Sparklewolf_(character)

SnowWolf said:
+1
Judy's full name is never used in the source material and the only reference to it is, I think, a twitter comment about a cut scene.

She was referred by such in the movie, by Stu Hopps.

There is a 0% mistag tolerance. This is why some of our present implications and aliases had been brought up before, they’re currently wrong and mistags are occurring because of them. Feel free to cite your sources. Mine is imminent_vore and kitsune, to name 2.

And yes, though chances are Sparklewolf owns their character and understands why the suffix is used. This is not a similar case, an artist with multiple names is not the same as an artist who shares their name with their character. Irlsealpup is not Judy Hopps.

Siral_Exan said:
She was referred by such in the movie, by Stu Hopps.

https://twitter.com/_rich_moore/status/729172269725933569 <-- an exchange on twitter:

For those that don't want to look at twitter:
"What's Judy's Middle Name?"
Rich Moore: "Laverne"
"Byron said it was a secret... ARE YOU VIOLATING CONTRACT?"
Rich Moore: "There was a line in the carrot festival scene that got cut where Stu called Judy by her full name: Judith Laverne Hopps"

There is a 0% mistag tolerance. This is why some of our present implications and aliases had been brought up before, they’re currently wrong and mistags are occurring because of them. Feel free to cite your sources. Mine is imminent_vore and kitsune, to name 2.

Tags are mistagged all the time. we can't idiot proof the website entirely. That's why we rely on users to try and make sure that the tags are right. Now if some misguided soul did decide to upload a bunny picture, and boldly tag Judylavernehopps--no underscores, no spaces, not judith, but judy--someone will notice. Judy's the 5th most popular character on the site. People will notice if she's not tagged, or is mistagged.

We try to avoid tags that are misleading, misinterpretable, or unclear. I, personally, don't think that judylavernehopps is misleading. Especially as it's an artist name, not a character name, and anyone uploading here would notice real quick.

And yes, though chances are Sparklewolf owns their character and understands why the suffix is used. This is not a similar case, an artist with multiple names is not the same as an artist who shares their name with their character. Irlsealpup is not Judy Hopps.

The suffix is not really the relevant part here...

okay, irlsealpup has 7 posts. judylavernhopps has 79. One name is already clearly favored and, at cursory skim, consists entirely of the artist's art, and every judy_hopps is tagged as well.

I mean, I'd support the reversed alias if that'd make you happier, but she clearly uses her tumblr more--it has greater 'brand recognition'.

Cut content counts as official material. Just look at Jack_Savage, from an older iteration of the movie. It doesn’t matter when, it matter that it occurred. Jack Savage is validly tagged with Zootopia, as he is from an earlier concept.

We can’t idiot-proof the site, but we can idiot-proof the aliases and implications. Furthermore, the “idiots” used to have a large portion of control over tagging on this site, for instance it wasn’t until recently that we put a hard NO! on pokemon/digimon being tagged as RL species, despite people getting told it a thousand times over. People jump to conclusions and make dummy tags, mistags, or remove correct tags and they aren’t the people making / talking about aliases or implications. We have the power to prevent further damage, by making a foolproof system for tags and implications.

On certain sites, both using the character’s full name and the lack of using underscores are commonplace. FA is one such site, you will find judyhopps as well as Judy Hopps in the same tag pool. People bring over other site tag systems very often, often enough that people are told time and time again that E6 uses its own tag system. This includes proper pronunciation of a character’s name in tags, aliasing potential misrepresentations to prevent multiple character names for one character, and the managing of “dummy tags” where people misspell or use older names. This is Judy Hopps full name, and since we use Judy Hopps it needs to be aliased to the common (first + last, possibly plural) name we use on site. Judy Laverne Hopps is not IRLsealpup, Judy Laverne Hopps is Judy Hopps.

Suffixes are relevant on site, and sometimes mandatory. Any instance of multiple entities/beings using the same name (to a point) needs to be suffixed for precision, with site recognized suffixes so people don’t need to create suffixes all the time. It doesn’t matter how much or how favored a name is, the latter is wrong to use as it is a character’s name. And it doesn’t matter where it is used unless the artist uses it across multiple sites against a singular name on a singular site. Then popularity matters.

Now, I suggest you go and catch up on what you missed. The site staff have taken a firmer grasp on tags and their usages, because formerly such has accosted the site’s users at least time and effort, and at most it hampered the accuracy of a tag. This lead to the 0% tolerance on mistags, what was formerly tolerated had proven to hurt this site so no longer do we tolerate mistagging: we either fix it or prevent it.

Siral_Exan said:
Cut content counts as official material. Just look at Jack_Savage, from an older iteration of the movie. It doesn’t matter when, it matter that it occurred. Jack Savage is validly tagged with Zootopia, as he is from an earlier concept.

You presented it as if the scene was in the movie I saw in theaters, which it wasn't.

We can’t idiot-proof the site, but we can idiot-proof the aliases and implications.

Regardless, it's still judylavernehopps, not Judy_Laverne_Hopps, or Judith_Laverne_Hopps, all of which are WAY more likely for people to type, if they manage to skip over the plain and simple Judy_Hopps.

The chances of this error being made are next to nothing.

Furthermore, the “idiots” used to have a large portion of control over tagging on this site, for instance it wasn’t until recently that we put a hard NO! on pokemon/digimon being tagged as RL species, despite people getting told it a thousand times over.

This is a case of misunderstanding of something that's not exactly obvious. we say "tag what you see" and, in fact, reiterate the hell out of it. people don't think "let me check before I tag this species" --they jsut tag and go unless they don't know what species it is. So by our standard rules, tagging a psyduck as a duck seems REALLY obvious.

Tagging by a characters almost-but-not-quite-full-name, without spaces is not going to happen. Especially when there are 14,000 posts that show the 'right' way to do it.

People jump to conclusions and make dummy tags, mistags, or remove correct tags and they aren’t the people making / talking about aliases or implications. We have the power to prevent further damage, by making a foolproof system for tags and implications.

people make mistakes. It happens, but they are the reason that the site is successful. I think you underestimate how many people are out there tidying things up. On any given day, there are about 4000-5000 tag edits made, with most of those edits being made in drips and dribbles. which suggests that there are a lot of people changing just a few tags. No, they aren't participating in tag conversations. They're out there doing their best to do the right thing. Mistags are natural. They happen. That's what aliases are for. "Oh, a lot of people are tagging "fluffy_hooves" when they really want feathering -- we should alias that!"

Foolproof isn't foolproof. We can try, but unless we do something like an interactive 'tag finder' popup, that suggests tags, or asks for clarification (Did you mean...) it's not gonna happen. Which is another reason why judylavernehopps is not going to cause problems--the system doesn't auto suggest tags. And even if it did, judy_hopps is more used.

On certain sites, both using the character’s full name and the lack of using underscores are commonplace. FA is one such site, you will find judyhopps as well as Judy Hopps in the same tag pool. People bring over other site tag systems very often, often enough that people are told time and time again that E6 uses its own tag system.

The nice thing about this is that generally, you tell someone once, and they learn. After all, on the side of every image is a reminder. And any picture that they upload with 'wrong' tags will be fixed quickly by the rest of the site, and, as you helpfully demonstrated the other day, they'll probably be corrected by someone helpfully informing them about their error.

This includes proper pronunciation of a character’s name in tags, aliasing potential misrepresentations to prevent multiple character names for one character, and the managing of “dummy tags” where people misspell or use older names. This is Judy Hopps full name, and since we use Judy Hopps it needs to be aliased to the common (first + last, possibly plural) name we use on site. Judy Laverne Hopps is not IRLsealpup, Judy Laverne Hopps is Judy Hopps.

No it is not Judy's full name. Judy's full name is Judith Lavern Hopps. Not Judy.

And we don't alias every possible misspelling.

Otherwise, twilight sparkle, the most popular character on the site, would have: twilight_sparkle, twilightsparkle, twilitesparkle, twilite_sparkle, twilit_sparkle, twilitsparkle, princess_twilight_sparkle, princess_twilightsparkle.... and so on and so forth. With iterations for 'princess' and 'queen', as well as iterations with and without _(mlp) after it. However...

"The following tags are aliased to this tag: twilight_sparkle, queen_twilight, twi_staff, princess_twilight"

Rainbow_Dash_(mlp), number two, only has two aliases: Tatzldash, and rainbow_dash. Not even "rainbowdash" --And yet, there are no posts tagged 'rainbowdash' on the website.

Fluttershy's got a few more, like twilight, because of futashy, and psychoshy and her gender swapped variant. Pinkie pie has 4, Rarity has two, and then we're looking at Miss Judy Hopps. Judy has one Alias: JudyHopps. Just that. no judy_hops, no judy_hoppes, no Judith_hopps, no judy_hoops... just judyhopps.

Suffixes are relevant on site, and sometimes mandatory. Any instance of multiple entities/beings using the same name (to a point) needs to be suffixed for precision, with site recognized suffixes so people don’t need to create suffixes all the time. It doesn’t matter how much or how favored a name is, the latter is wrong to use as it is a character’s name. And it doesn’t matter where it is used unless the artist uses it across multiple sites against a singular name on a singular site. Then popularity matters.

I'd possibly agree if you insisted that it should be judylavernehopps_(artist), but the artist name isn't goign to cause any confusion, generally. The most likely cause of confusion would be someone tagging irlsealpup, and getting judylavernehopps as the artist instead--but then they'd look at the wiki, presumably, and realize why.

Now, I suggest you go and catch up on what you missed. The site staff have taken a firmer grasp on tags and their usages, because formerly such has accosted the site’s users at least time and effort, and at most it hampered the accuracy of a tag. This lead to the 0% tolerance on mistags, what was formerly tolerated had proven to hurt this site so no longer do we tolerate mistagging: we either fix it or prevent it.

Excuse me, do you please think you could stop being so condescending? I've been told by the administration already that they have no problems with my actions or opinions (as of that moment in time). I'm in IRC regularly. I've made it very clear on several occasions that I'm open to feed back. I'm not saying "lol mistags are fine"... I'm saying mistags *happen* ... they are unpreventable. My *assessment* of this tag is that it's unlikely to cause a problem. Others--like you--are welcome to disagree with me. This is my own, personal, opinion. I'm stating it here, as I do on many tagging threads. I'm not always right. I'm willing to admit that. But right now, I stand by my opinion, with is worth as much as the next person's. c_c Geeze, man.

You sincerely suggest that people should be OK when tagging a RL species for a pokemon? You talked to the administration, maybe you should ask them about that...

Next to nothing isn’t nothing, “imminent_vore” would be next to nothing and look where that’s got us. You studied the amount of tags done on site, but how much of those tags were due to them being fixed?

There is a tag suggester, unfortunately it is deep in the settings and basically useless unless you do manual tag projects... except there also is a tag suggester when editing a post’s tags, and those are site managed. They may not always be right, but it’s better than the person being wrong due to themselves only. I would bring up the wikis, those would be pretty relevant for minimizing mistakes, but they’re very rarely used.

No, they do not learn. Nobody learns from their own mistakes alone, that is a fantasy fed to people who were told they did right. If you were right, I wouldn’t have the evidence of countless records of people being repeatedly told they were wrong. If people stopped and listened, maybe that’d be changed too, but that doesn’t occur either.

A full name is a first, a middle, and as many last names a person has. This excludes titles, but they’re irrelevant. You use your full name and one is given to you because out of everyone of this entire world, there is always a chance of one person sharing your first and last name. A middle name makes the statistic nearly impossible for sharing a full name with someone who isn’t a twin (and sometimes it’s used to distinguish twins). You cannot lie to me, and therefore others who read what you wrote, that her last name is not Leverne from some official source, spoiler or not.

We do alias misspellings, I already linked evidence in Judy’s wiki. Guess what name, with no underscore, is aliased. It is a misspelling of the tag Judy_Hopps. We are lucky that MLP characters are well kept, but we are dealing with literally the most popular character from a child’s movie, drawn in porn. You can’t argue that misspellings won’t occur, they can and will.

The suffixing will create tension for people who will then try to suffix Judy Hopps. People imitate our tag system (sometimes) when creating their tags. Yet doing that only sometimes help, the active users (like you, me, and many others, abbreviate to the forum users) have to hold their hand so they actually get it right. Your aforementioned conversations with staff members, did you know that I was appreciated for fixing one’s mistakes? It really sheds another light when you see, for your own eyes, that nobody ever gets it right the first time. I’d link you my example, but they are no longer online and they told me to not use them by name as an example. I can only refer to their actions.

I’d wish you wouldn’t be so stubborn, and not cast judgement on me as if you were in a position to do so from the start. I, too, talk to admins to make sure I don’t do anything wrong, and they outright tell me when I do something wrong. I can provide evidence and i’m not afraid to admit my faults. But saying your opinion can be incorrect doesn’t prevent me from disputing it further, and unless you bring evidence against it I am explaining to you that unclear and misleading names have unintended negative effects on this site. I have seen the time when we fixed that with my own eyes, you should see it as well (we fortunately have records since we don’t delete forum posts) so you can know where I’m coming from.

blahblahblahhops_(artist)?

SnowWolf said:
unless we do something like an interactive 'tag finder' popup, that suggests tags

there is

Iwill reply more in depth later, but to clarify this:

kamimatsu said:
there is

I meant something more like autocomplete. AS in, type in "ju" and get judy_hopps, jumping, jungle, justmegabenewell, julius_zimmerman, jumpsuit, etc." AS in, type "judy" and see Judy_hopps, judylavernehopps, judy_jetson, Judy, Judy_(elzzombie), judy_clops, and judy-hoppswilde"

Not the 'list of tags often seen along side these other tags' or similar. Autocomplete style.

SnowWolf said:
Iwill reply more in depth later, but to clarify this:

I meant something more like autocomplete. AS in, type in "ju" and get judy_hopps, jumping, jungle, justmegabenewell, julius_zimmerman, jumpsuit, etc." AS in, type "judy" and see Judy_hopps, judylavernehopps, judy_jetson, Judy, Judy_(elzzombie), judy_clops, and judy-hoppswilde"

Not the 'list of tags often seen along side these other tags' or similar. Autocomplete style.

Well, how about just blacklist each other? This was literally the answer I was given when a very similar problem came up. If we both will not work well with each other, why try working with each other at all? And let’s not bother with responding to each other and etc., I believe that we can both agree that doing so is not actually helping.

Siral_Exan said:
Well, how about just blacklist each other? This was literally the answer I was given when a very similar problem came up. If we both will not work well with each other, why try working with each other at all? And let’s not bother with responding to each other and etc., I believe that we can both agree that doing so is not actually helping.

wish I'd seen this a few hours ago *sigh* My fault for not refreshing the page.

This may be the best option. I probably won't blacklist you--but I"ll avoid directly responding to you. Feel free to blacklist me, I suppose. I won't hold it against you.

And you're right. replies are not helping. We don't seem to be capable of communicating with one another without gross misunderstandings and hurt feelings.

For what it's worth--sorry.

The tag alias irlsealpup -> judylavernehopps (forum #247784) has been rejected by @NotMeNotYou.