Okay, super fast post, I promise.

So, we have taur. We have centaur, deertaur, foxtaur and more. Then we have equine_taur, avian_taur, canine_taur and others.

Of course taur and centaur will stay the same... but why is it deertaur and not deer_taur? why is it equine_taur and not equinetaur?

I feel like there is some inconsistency here that would be nice to tidy up!

(also, there are some redundant_taurs too, but I'll sort those out when we figure out the reason behind foxtaur and fox_taur :)

My opinion: Deertaur and foxtaur are easy to read, while equinetaur is a bit of an eye-jumble. so ... ... I think it should be fox_taur?

Whatchy'all think?

Yeah, I noticed the same when that cervitaur thread came up.
We definitely should standardize the naming. No personal preferences, but going with *_taur would be easiest, because of the existing implications such as equine_taur.

I'm voting for the *_taur syntax, it takes less brain power to read and make the link between two usual words than to read and understand one big unusual word.

If there has to be a tag, I like *_taur. It's neater and looks nicer imo.
Also- my gripe with how the chakat tag is currently used (forum #244140).

My one problem with *_taur tags is that they're inconsistent with how species/body tags are normally used. With the exception of *_humanoids, you're generally not supposed to tag things like species_bodytpe. These tags are also (for the most part) currently underused, fox taur -foxtaur turns up a similar amount of posts as foxtaur with similar results for equine taur -equine_taur and canine taur -canine_taur turns up much, much more than canine_taur does.

regsmutt said:
Also- my gripe with how the chakat tag is currently used (forum #244140).

I don't think Para ever explained the reasoning for that, and it never made much sense to me. Tagging cat taurs as Chakat is like tagging anthro turtles as Koopa.

My one problem with *_taur tags is that they're inconsistent with how species/body tags are normally used. With the exception of *_humanoids, you're generally not supposed to tag things like species_bodytpe.

Fair point. I remember voting to keep foxtaur, because there's a literal 'foxtaur' species in at least one popular setting and we tend to allow species tagging for those. When that one was kept, I don't think the intention was to create <species>_taur tags for everything.

And yeah, they're largely redundant. Which is probably why hardly anyone bothers to tag those. Searching for fox taur gets almost identical results, though with couple of mishits (such as post #263750). (But anthro fox has same problems, so...)

Genjar said:
I don't think Para ever explained the reasoning for that, and it never made much sense to me. Tagging cat taurs as Chakat is like tagging anthro turtles as Koopa.

Fair point. I remember voting to keep foxtaur, because there's a literal 'foxtaur' species in at least one popular setting and we tend to allow species tagging for those. When that one was kept, I don't think the intention was to create <species>_taur tags for everything.

And yeah, they're largely redundant. Which is probably why hardly anyone bothers to tag those. Searching for fox taur gets almost identical results, though with couple of mishits (such as post #263750). (But anthro fox has same problems, so...)

I think a solution for the foxtaur species thing might be to add _(chakona_space) (that's the source of them, right?) to the tag to specify that it's referring to that setting and not supposed to be used for all of them. I imagine that'd be the solution if a popular piece of media came out with a race called cat-furries.

regsmutt said:
I think a solution for the foxtaur species thing might be to add _(chakona_space) (that's the source of them, right?) to the tag to specify that it's referring to that setting and not supposed to be used for all of them.

Yes, Chakat Universe is the main one. There's also one or two 'foxtaur' monsters in tabletop RPGs, but I doubt that there's any art of those here.

I should've supported foxtaur_(<copyright>) tag back then. Ah well, the current usage is so widespread that it's probably too late to undo these. So organizing them is the next best thing. Unless the admins think that it'd be better to just nuke the subtags.

regsmutt said:
My one problem with *_taur tags is that they're inconsistent with how species/body tags are normally used. With the exception of *_humanoids, you're generally not supposed to tag things like species_bodytpe. These tags are also (for the most part) currently underused, fox taur -foxtaur turns up a similar amount of posts as foxtaur with similar results for equine taur -equine_taur and canine taur -canine_taur turns up much, much more than canine_taur does.

Hm... I always interpreted 'foxtaur' to be the species name, myself. I mean, if I doodle a 'fox centaur' I'm going to call it a foxtaur to myself, even though I didn't know that 'foxtaurs' were a thing in someone's setting.

It's not the most pretty name, but it's kinda like how most fox species are 'fox' and most deer species are 'deer'... ..I mean, we tag all number of other fictional species (tag_group:fictional_species )) so why not fox-taur? Why not wolf-taur or dragon-taur?

(also, in my opinion.. foxtaur/fox_taur should imply both fox and taur... fixing some of that problem.)

Genjar said:
I don't think Para ever explained the reasoning for that, and it never made much sense to me. Tagging cat taurs as Chakat is like tagging anthro turtles as Koopa.

No offense meant to Para, but there have been several things that have been done that I can see she was involved in that made me tilt my head... Again, no offense meant to them.. but, like, I remembered making the micro_insertion tag, and I see it's been aliased away to 'vore' for some reason, and I GUESS that makes sense to some?? degree, but when I went looking for a forum post for a discussion on why it was done, I didn't find anything... ...all cat taurs being chakat is pretty weird.

Fair point. I remember voting to keep foxtaur, because there's a literal 'foxtaur' species in at least one popular setting and we tend to allow species tagging for those. When that one was kept, I don't think the intention was to create <species>_taur tags for everything.

Popular settings shouldn't really matter--we have common words for some things... 'folf' is colloquial furry for a fox/wolf... 'foxtaur' is colloquial for 'like a centaur, but with foxes.' giraffetaur is 'like centaur, but with a giraffe.'... there's a word that a lot of people understand as meaning a thing of a certain appearance (...like crux, sergal, citra, khajiit...)... when many people agree that a thing is a thing, we should use that thing's name for it.

Better 'foxtaur' than Vulpianara or vulculpian or cupeleovelian or some other made-up-word that someone made up and hoped would catch on...

And yeah, they're largely redundant. Which is probably why hardly anyone bothers to tag those. Searching for fox taur gets almost identical results, though with couple of mishits (such as post #263750). (But anthro fox has same problems, so...)

Actually by redundant, I meant that I saw like... avian-taur and bird-taur.. or feline_taur, felitaur, and cattaur. :)

I actually like generalized species_taur tags, because if I want fox-taur sex, I don't want to have to filter through who-knows how many centaurs-fucking-regular-foxes to get there.

we don't need spotted_leopard_taurs, or west_african_flying_squirrel_taur tags, but general-species taur tags are good to keep around, in my opinion.

at least we all agree that *_taur is good :D

regsmutt said:
I think a solution for the foxtaur species thing might be to add _(chakona_space) (that's the source of them, right?) to the tag to specify that it's referring to that setting and not supposed to be used for all of them. I imagine that'd be the solution if a popular piece of media came out with a race called cat-furries.

I'd just as well get rid of the chakat tag, myself :P ... but I know there are a lot of chakat fans out there.

Maybe we should have chakona_space as a copyright tag, and if peopel want chakats, they could search for feline_taur chakona_space or fox_taur chakona_space

SnowWolf said:
Hm... I always interpreted 'foxtaur' to be the species name, myself. I mean, if I doodle a 'fox centaur' I'm going to call it a foxtaur to myself, even though I didn't know that 'foxtaurs' were a thing in someone's setting.

It's not the most pretty name, but it's kinda like how most fox species are 'fox' and most deer species are 'deer'... ..I mean, we tag all number of other fictional species (tag_group:fictional_species )) so why not fox-taur? Why not wolf-taur or dragon-taur?

(also, in my opinion.. foxtaur/fox_taur should imply both fox and taur... fixing some of that problem.)

I actually like generalized species_taur tags, because if I want fox-taur sex, I don't want to have to filter through who-knows how many centaurs-fucking-regular-foxes to get there.

See, these arguments can fit with the other body tags. An anthro fox is definitely a different creature than a feral fox, but there aren't tags separating them. Similarly if I want images of feral foxes with anthro dogs, I'm going to have to filter through a bunch of the opposite because there's no way to specify a specific combination of species+bodytype. Same thing happens with gender tags. Even when there's a common word for a gendered animal (vixen, mare, stallion, etc), it's not accepted as a viable tag.

regsmutt said:
See, these arguments can fit with the other body tags. An anthro fox is definitely a different creature than a feral fox, but there aren't tags separating them. Similarly if I want images of feral foxes with anthro dogs, I'm going to have to filter through a bunch of the opposite because there's no way to specify a specific combination of species+bodytype. Same thing happens with gender tags. Even when there's a common word for a gendered animal (vixen, mare, stallion, etc), it's not accepted as a viable tag.

Well, if it didn't involve going through a bazillion pictures and involve breaking everything, I'd actually support male_fox and feral_fox tags... or some sort of image board magic where you can 'add character' then tag "male fox feral blue_fur animal_genitalia char:Vupinox ass_up looking_at_partner happy" and 'add character' and tag "female dog doberman anthro on_back surprised" then add "forest playing sun moss" etc etc etc. but that's basically making a whole new website at that point and is the stuff of dreams.

Eh, I guess the thing for me is, I'm a big fan of tags helping you find what you want. (like fox_taur implying canine_taur implying taur.) makes things easier.

I've been sitting here for like 30 minutes trying to put it into words, and I guess the best I've come down to is... just because it's hard to find feral foxes doesn't mean it should be hard to find deer_taur.

We have plenty of other made up species, so why not these ones too?

I mean, I guess we could abolish all of the *_taur tags, and filter through taur fox to find what we're but it really feels like a step in the wrong direction.

So, we have taur. We have centaur, deertaur, foxtaur and more. Then we have equine_taur, avian_taur, canine_taur and others.

Of course taur and centaur will stay the same... but why is it deertaur and not deer_taur? why is it equine_taur and not equinetaur?

Looking at this set of tags, I think "English's vague and informal conventions about what makes a good portmanteau" would be a good answer.

for example equinetaur looks like it might be one word rather than two, and aviantaur is even more like that.

I find 'fox_taur' slightly more annoying than 'foxtaur', but no argument : it certainly seems like a workable standard and an improvement.

I'll just put a list of tags here, to give a more complete picture of the current ontology:

• . anttaur
• . arachnid_taur (More technically correct and broad than spidertaur, but has only been used on spidertaurs, not eg. scorpiontaurs)
• ## avian_taur
• # bat_taur
• # beartaur
• # bird_taur
• . bovine_taur
• . bug_taur
• # canine_taur
• . cattaur
• # ceanataur (refers to crustaceans? Specifically in context of Monster Hunter?. A bit too easily confused with centaur IMO)
• ### centaur
• . centaur-taur
• . centipede_taur (too specific. -> insect_taur?)
• . cervine_taur
• # citrataur
• # cowtaur
• . crabtaur (too specific? also wat)
• . crustaceantaur
• ## deertaur
• . dinotaur (lol)
• # dogtaur
• ## dragontaur
• ### equine_taur
• . equitaur
• # felinetaur
• # felitaur
• ## foxtaur
• # giraffetaur (too specific?)
• # goat_taur
• . hand_taur
• # hextaur (#legs, not species IIRC)
• # humantaur
• # insect_taur
• . leotaur
• # liontaur
• # long_taur
• ### minotaur (not sure if entirely relevant, but included just in case)
• ## multi_taur
• . mustelidtaur
• # panthertaur
• . pinniped_taur (as in seal)
• . raccoontaur
• . reverse_taur
• . rhinotaur
• # sheep_taur
• # shogun_ceanataur
• ## skunktaur
• . spacekat-taur_(species)
• ## spidertaur
• # squirreltaur
• #### taur
• # tigertaur
• . unicorn_taur (too specific)
• ## wolftaur

Middle column is an informal representation of a log10 graph (so eg 'spidertaur' -> more than 100 (10^2) items, 'centaur' -> more than 1000 items).

I've marked some items in bold that I think it's fairly clear need merging.

Violet_Rose said:
I like that idea, that seems like a perfect use of the copyright tagging system especially since chakats are very deeply tied into their setting to a degree not seen nearly as much with most other species here.

Ah, you put to words what I was thinking about earlier but couldn't verbalize properly. :)

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Giving this a bit more thought, I have some thoughts about centaur/equine_taur...

Centaur implies equine_taur.
Equine_taur implies equine and taur.

Centaur is human/horse
Equine_taur is anything/horse

But, a foxtaur COULD be human/fox, or anything/fox, including fox/fox... we don't really have a way to distinguish that. centaur/equine_taur do.... but.. hm. I dunno what I'm barking at. This is a hole that even exists in our currently existing tag system, so, I dunno. I'm a potato. Have a nice day.

savageorange said:
Looking at this set of tags, I think "English's vague and informal conventions about what makes a good portmanteau" would be a good answer.

for example equinetaur looks like it might be one word rather than two, and aviantaur is even more like that.

That is exactly the answer, haha :)

I'll just put a list of tags here, to give a more complete picture of the current ontology:

Whoa, nice! Well put together!

Let's see... I cannot put my brain to mouthworks right now. I wanna but I can't.

That chart is very nicely put together, and helps highlight a lot of potential problem areas. :)

I definitely have thoughts about stuff, jsut the words don't mouth right now.