I was looking at this post and saw that someone had commented on how they liked how in the animation, the knots swelled. I asked a bit about whether this had a tag called knot_swelling (I do remember seeing it on some posts) but didn't get an answer, and was afraid to add the tag myself in fear if violating any rules.

Was this ever a tag and if so why was it removed? And if I can, can I add it back to posts and have a wiki page on it made? Because I love animations where the knot swells. Also doesn't this naturally occur in canines in real life when they climax? And why when they climax, instead of the initial rush of blood gorging it to full size?

I'm knot sure if it was ever a tag but dang it's a tag I'd certainly appreciate. And yes, you're correct that this is most realistic during climax. As for the 'why' I'd assume it's just cuz it doesn't need to swell up before that.

Don't think there is, we do have full climax tags like flared_penis and knot, but there's not any for the act of getting there.

If we do create one, might be best to make it an umbrella tag for all types of penises across animations and panel pages. Something like, growing_erection, iunno.

I was going to suggest anatomically_correct_knot, but then realized that it'd be mistagged. Since most of the furries seem to have no idea of how knots work.

isn't a word that we've used for tags. How about knot_expansion?

Genjar said:
I was going to suggest anatomically_correct_knot, but then realized that it'd be mistagged. Since most of the furries seem to have no idea of how knots work.

swelling

isn't a word that we've used for tags. How about knot_expansion?

That might work, just thought that "swelling" would be more appropriate and idk if I can just randomly add an undefined tag all over.

Ryukyuan said:
That might work, just thought that "swelling" would be more appropriate and idk if I can just randomly add an undefined tag all over.

Unless it's aliased/invalidated it's possible. It's how there are a bunch of one post typo tags, lol. It is best though to check first and see if there's a reason it's not already tagged.

Well, what's the tag being defined as?

I mean, it shouldn't? apply to non sequential still images, yeah?

maybe something like knot_growth, but that sounds more like... knot_inflation, which is another potential tag for this thing which is also a bad name. As in. whoa-this-potion-made-my-knot-so-big!

Growing_knot?
inflating_knot?

knot_expansion makes me think of.. like.. I dunno, but it feels weird.

SnowWolf said:
Well, what's the tag being defined as?

I mean, it shouldn't? apply to non sequential still images, yeah?

maybe something like knot_growth, but that sounds more like... knot_inflation, which is another potential tag for this thing which is also a bad name. As in. whoa-this-potion-made-my-knot-so-big!

Growing_knot?
inflating_knot?

knot_expansion makes me think of.. like.. I dunno, but it feels weird.

Growing_knot, swelling_knot, knot_swelling, and inflating_knot sound like good names to me, however I'm not sure which one to use.

And how would I be able to find these individual posts to tag?

SnowWolf said:
maybe something like knot_growth, but that sounds more like... knot_inflation, which is another potential tag for this thing which is also a bad name. As in. whoa-this-potion-made-my-knot-so-big!

Growing_knot?
inflating_knot?

Inflating_knot is not a good fit, that'd make it sound like it's part of the inflation tag group. Which tend to be on the 'unrealistic' end of the fetish scale, whereas this new tag would probably consist mostly of anatomically correct knots.

As far as naming standards go, body part tags have usually been named either <adjective>_<part>, <part>_<noun>, or <part>_<verb>. So for example 'knot_swelling' would be preferable to 'swelling_knot'.

Genjar said:
As far as naming standards go, body part tags have usually been named either <adjective>_<part>, <part>_<noun>, or <part>_<verb>. So for example 'knot_swelling' would be preferable to 'swelling_knot'.

We're referring to an action here so it would be <verbing>_<part>, not <adjective>_<part>. We don't have a clear consensus on whether to use <verbing>_<part> or <part>_<verbing>, do we?

Ryukyuan said:
Growing_knot, swelling_knot, knot_swelling, and inflating_knot sound like good names to me, however I'm not sure which one to use.

I'm knot sure either.

And how would I be able to find these individual posts to tag?

That's the tricky bit. Generally, search for stuff where it seems likely that you'll find appropriate posts:

For example, earlier I was working on tagging maltese_tigers (those're blue tigers) and black_tigers and white_tigers and whatnot. I started with tiger blue_fur and worked from there. I'm currently working on tiger white_fur -white_tiger -maltese_tiger (because if it's tagged maltese, I've already tagged it.)

So.. just find a good search and go. For example... knot -solo seems like maybe a good start? I'm not positive how this tag will be used, or what the bestsearch terms for it will be, though.

IF that seems a little overwhelming (it can be!) Start with something narrower... like... Knot fox -solo or knot blue_fur -solo (again, maybe animated should be in there? i'm not sure.) (Eventually, you'll want to -growing_knot from your search too.)

That said, some extra advice: You're looking at knots! Neato! :D There are 48,000 posts tagged knot, and only 5000 tagged knotting and only 1810 for vaginal_knotting and 1783 for anal_knotting. Yikes!

You COULD just go through and tag growing/swelling/inflating_knot, and nothing else, but *I* like to familiarize myself with some of the other tags associated with what I'm tagging, and keep an eye out for those. After all, I doubt that there are 42000 pictures where knotting isn't happening :) Just read over this page and see what's there on the first page. anything past that's probably pointless. Ultimatly, you're probably only going to end up tagging a few of these--what's being knotted, mostly.

Here's the BEST way to be efficient at this too:

1. Click on "my account" up in the top left.
2. Click 'settings'. It's on this page twice, either's fine.
3. This is a great place BTW. My favorite settings are changing posts per page (I like 100), and removing post tags from URLS. :D
3.5 Down below avatar, there's a section called 'other', with the heading 'quick tags'... these will always be available to you while you're updating a picture's tags. Put them in in the order you want them. They'll appear one at a time, one per line, below the editing field and you can click to add them, quickly, to the image.

Here, pictures make everything better:

Text in settings: Link
Text on a post: Link
Gif? Gif! Gif!!

This over all makes it so that you can slap a few extra tags on things that you're tagging. :)

Also, not having a decided on tag name doesn't mean you can't get started. Just be consistent, and ONLY tag growing_knot or knot_swelling or whatever. It's not hard to take the contents of one tag and move them to another of y'all decide that knot_explosion is the better tag :)

(also, if you guys all get into this, communicate where you're working--if you're working on knot blue_fur -solo, someone else could -blue_fur to make sure your'e not covering the same ground.. :)

BlueDingo said:
We don't have a clear consensus on whether to use <verbing>_<part> or <part>_<verbing>, do we?

I suppose we don't, since <verbing> is rarely used.
We went with <part>_grab instead of grabbing_<part>, <part>_lick instead of licking_<part>, and so on.

Which is why I suggested knot_expansion earlier.

Genjar said:
I suppose we don't, since <verbing> is rarely used.
We went with <part>_grab instead of grabbing_<part>, <part>_lick instead of licking_<part>, and so on.

Which is why I suggested knot_expansion earlier.

Then again, we use holding_<part> instead of <part>_hold.

Genjar said:
<part>_lick instead of licking_<part>, and so on.

....mostly.

I tried to get some discussion going on THAT a month ago and didn't seem to get any traction. Lost about half of my work too in a computer crash, but the gist of it was that <part>_lick was preferred, but about a quarter to a third of the posts about licking are tagged licking_<part> Also, the 'umbrella tag' is 'licking so there's a bit of confusion.

There are places where <verbing>_part is better than part_<verbing>.. like, licking_lips over lip_lick, licking_cum over cum_lick etc, where the two have slightly different 'meanings.' (lip_lick sounds like licking someone elses, whiel licking_lisps sounds like licking one's own lips. Whereas, cum_lick sounds liek a derogatory nickname.

SnowWolf said:
I tried to get some discussion going on THAT a month ago and didn't seem to get any traction. Lost about half of my work too in a computer crash, but the gist of it was that <part>_lick was preferred, but about a quarter to a third of the posts about licking are tagged licking_<part> Also, the 'umbrella tag' is 'licking so there's a bit of confusion.

Many of those simply lack aliases. licking_face -> face_lick, licking_stomach -> belly_lick, and so on.

And yeah, there's some exceptions that work better as licking_*, such as licking_lips. It's hard to make a system that doesn't require any exceptions. Like those holding tags that BlueDingo mentioned. The holding_* group was originally made for objects only, I'm not sure why we started including body parts in it. Probably because nobody could think of a better place for them.

Genjar said:
And yeah, there's some exceptions that work better as licking_*, such as licking_lips. It's hard to make a system that doesn't require any exceptions. Like those holding tags that BlueDingo mentioned. The holding_* group was originally made for objects only, I'm not sure why we started including body parts in it. Probably because nobody could think of a better place for them.

I can't really think of a situation where <verbing>_<thing> wouldn't work. Licking_face because they're licking a face, holding_arm because they're holding an arm, tearing_clothing because they're tearing a piece of clothing, etc. In each case, it's verbing_thing because someone is verbing a thing. Then again, these are all actions one thing is doing to another thing (even if both things are part of the same character) as opposed to an action a thing is seemingly doing to itself (eg. a knot swelling itself) and that might make a difference.

Genjar said:
Many of those simply lack aliases. licking_face -> face_lick, licking_stomach -> belly_lick, and so on.

Yeah, it's a bit of a mess.

And yeah, there's some exceptions that work better as licking_*, such as licking_lips. It's hard to make a system that doesn't require any exceptions. Like those holding tags that BlueDingo mentioned. The holding_* group was originally made for objects only, I'm not sure why we started including body parts in it. Probably because nobody could think of a better place for them.

well, it works for holding_hands really well :) it's also "neutral' as far as intent goes-- grabbing_part would feel a little... enthusiastic for a slow sweet snuggly picture.

BlueDingo said:
I can't really think of a situation where <verbing>_<thing> wouldn't work. (...) Then again, these are all actions one thing is doing to another thing (even if both things are part of the same character) as opposed to an action a thing is seemingly doing to itself (eg. a knot swelling itself) and that might make a difference.

All very good points... I think it'll ultimatly come down to the words picked: inflating_knot feels a lot more.. "something is inflating the knot" than 'the knot is inflating (though, yeah, inflating's a bad word.)

I think I"m most inclined to either growing_knot or swelling_knot. ... swelling actually is a tag.. with 70-80 posts, and seems to focus on visible growth with motion lines, or occasional "post-spanking" and some other stuff. All in all, a pretty incoherant tag.

knot_growth feels like an inflation related thing, BUT could be established with a clear identity, I think (unlike knot_inflation which would ALWAYS fall in the shadow of inflation) .. Knot_swell just isn't good english.

SnowWolf said:
All very good points... I think it'll ultimately come down to the words picked: inflating_knot feels a lot more.. "something is inflating the knot" than 'the knot is inflating (though, yeah, inflating's a bad word.)

I think I'm most inclined to either growing_knot or swelling_knot. ... swelling actually is a tag.. with 70-80 posts, and seems to focus on visible growth with motion lines, or occasional "post-spanking" and some other stuff. All in all, a pretty incoherant tag.

knot_growth feels like an inflation related thing, BUT could be established with a clear identity, I think (unlike knot_inflation which would ALWAYS fall in the shadow of inflation)

And this is before expansion gets mixed into all this. At the very least, all the synonymous terms will eventually be aliased together once we decide on which one should be the main one.

SnowWolf said:
Knot_swell just isn't good english.

That sounds like something Mickey Mouse would say if he was one of us.

BlueDingo said:
And this is before expansion gets mixed into all this. At the very least, all the synonymous terms will eventually be aliased together once we decide on which one should be the main one.

Isn't that--oh. That's our tag for inflation stuff. Yup.

Minus the *_inflation tags. Geeze.

That sounds like something Mickey Mouse would say if he was one of us.

*SNORT!*

erection
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knot_swelling (TBD)
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knot
V
penetration
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I wish knotted wasn't aliased to knotting. Not at all the same. :/
Imminent_knotting (my wiki) picks up the slack, sort of.
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knot_fucking
V
unknotting
V
pull_out

Usually, that's how it goes with furry posts, but sometimes you get a pool #8996 (actual knot_swelling post #967300).

Every man's home is his knot.

Aside from *_inflation mistags, I believe *_expansion is a dumping ground for [body part]_transformation posts too, but those should go to *_growth.

Wow, I didn't expect a whole conversation about the right way to create tags to arise out of this. I'm a novice at e6 and just kinda want to know what tag would be the best to use.

I'll give a little bit of input on it: Just because verbing is rare doesn't mean it can't be used, and my thoughts are: Being the tags that are knot_fucking, belly_expansion, and ear_biting, I thought it would be appropriate to use knot_swelling, because the format is the same as well, and "swelling" is the most appropriate term for this and might be what people think of to search for, and the fact that the knot swells with blood. knot_inflation might be good as well since technically the knot is inflating with blood, but I feel like inflating usually implies air, unless explicitly stated otherwise, like cum_inflation.

SnowWolf said:
knot_growth feels like an inflation related thing, BUT could be established with a clear identity, I think (unlike knot_inflation which would ALWAYS fall in the shadow of inflation) .. Knot_swell just isn't good english.

Yes, I think knot_swell is out.
Knot_growth might work, though I'm starting to think that maybe we should just go with knot_swelling. Unambiguous naming is more important than sticking to the standard.

Ryukyuan said:
knot_inflation might be good as well since technically the knot is inflating with blood, but I feel like inflating usually implies air, unless explicitly stated otherwise, like cum_inflation.

Yeah, inflation is mainly for stuff where someone is inflated by something external, such as getting pumped full of air or cum. Doesn't seem like a good fit.

Genjar said:
Yes, I think knot_swell is out.
Knot_growth might work, though I'm starting to think that maybe we should just go with knot_swelling. Unambiguous naming is more important than sticking to the standard.

Yeah, inflation is mainly for stuff where someone is inflated by something external, such as getting pumped full of air or cum. Doesn't seem like a good fit.

Alright, I guess knot_swelling it is.

I wanted to talk a bit about the anatomical side of things, how come a canine's knot only swells to full size when they climax and not when the dick first comes out? I only see it grow to half-size when it first comes out

Ryukyuan said:
I wanted to talk a bit about the anatomical side of things, how come a canine's knot only swells to full size when they climax and not when the dick first comes out? I only see it grow to half-size when it first comes out

Well, Mostly because furries get it wrong.

A canine's penis isn't erect when he penetrates a female--a male dog has a bone called a Baculum inside his penis--a lot of animals have these, actually. When he penetracts the female, the penis starts to expand, along with the knot, or bulbus gland. The females vagina contracts, and holds the knot inside. When tied, the male stops thrusting and ejaculation occurs. They separate 15-20 minutes later.

So:

Humans: Erection -> penetration -> Ejaculation
Canines: Penetration -> Erection -> Ejaculation

Now, you asked WHY... And, simply: The point of the tie is to keep semen from leaking out of the vagina, better ensuring fertilization.

So, the knot doesn't come out until the end because it's point is not stimulation, it's point is reproductive success. if it came out sooner, it wouldn't be doing it's job :)

When translated to furries, though... it serves as a 'easy meter' for arousal. It's basically "Estimated time to orgasm". :P