It looks like suction_cup is mostly being used for the tentacle kind, with a few milking_machines (that may or may not be tagged as such). suckers seems to be entirely tentacles. Should one be aliased to the other? Should either imply tentacles? Should suction_cup be removed from the milking posts even though strictly speaking they do involve suction cups?

I also just noticed there's a mrs_wilde_(weaver) (32 posts), mrs_wilde (14), and mrs._wilde (11). Two of them should probably be aliased to the third, and that one should imply zootopia. Disclaimer: I haven't seen Zootopia (I know, right?) so I don't know whether she actually appears in it or is a fan creation, or what the (weaver) part means.

Weaver is the name of the artist that's doing a fanfiction comic based on Zootopia, presumably to differentiate from the movie one (which gets maybe a few seconds of screen time, IIRC).

imagoober said:
Weaver is the name of the artist that's doing a fanfiction comic based on Zootopia, presumably to differentiate from the movie one (which gets maybe a few seconds of screen time, IIRC).

Is there a difference in design or something?

imagoober said:
Weaver is the name of the artist that's doing a fanfiction comic based on Zootopia, presumably to differentiate from the movie one (which gets maybe a few seconds of screen time, IIRC).

If we would separate different fan fiction "incarnations" of characters I wouldn't be surprised if we would get many many times the character tags we currently got with just a few posts for each tag. If it looks like the canon character it should get the appropriate character tag, character behavior is irrelevant.

Kogith said:
It looks like suction_cup is mostly being used for the tentacle kind, with a few milking_machines (that may or may not be tagged as such). suckers seems to be entirely tentacles. Should one be aliased to the other? Should either imply tentacles? Should suction_cup be removed from the milking posts even though strictly speaking they do involve suction cups?

i would suggest disambiguating suction_cup , alias suckers to suction_cup_(anatomy) and create suction_cup_(machine) for that so named component on milking_machine. I oppose any implication or alias of suction_cup to tentacles because suction cups may also be featured on a characters tail or even penis that arnt always tentacles.

As for the fan made female wilde, i would actualy tend more to aliasing it all to mrs_wilde_(weaver) as most images show mrs. wilde as a independent fan made character, not a gendershifted wilde from zootopia. mrs. wilde would seem to be the spouse of the male wilde we know from zootopia. I do agree on an implication to zootopia thru

Chessax said:
If we would separate different fan fiction "incarnations" of characters I wouldn't be surprised if we would get many many times the character tags we currently got with just a few posts for each tag. If it looks like the canon character it should get the appropriate character tag, character behavior is irrelevant.

not the same character or incarnations of such thru as noted above, most posts under mrs. wilde do show wilde from zootoopia and fanmade mrs. wilde as 2 independent characters

Kogith said:
Is there a difference in design or something?

Yes: Canon, she does not have a body. There is no visual appearance for her, and none was ever made. In Weaver's fanon, she has one, and thus everybody who's drawn art of her tends to mention the design being Weaver's.

Ruku said:
i would suggest disambiguating suction_cup , alias suckers to suction_cup_(anatomy) and create suction_cup_(machine) for that so named component on milking_machine. I oppose any implication or alias of suction_cup to tentacles because suction cups may also be featured on a characters tail or even penis that arnt always tentacles.

what about suction cups that are you know the plastic things that are used to attach something on smooth surface?

Furrin_Gok said:
Yes: Canon, she does not have a body. There is no visual appearance for her, and none was ever made. In Weaver's fanon, she has one, and thus everybody who's drawn art of her tends to mention the design being Weaver's.

wait wasnt she in movie behind nick in the scene where he was standing in front of mirror and admiring his new scout uniform or do i remember wrong?

Mutisija said:
what about suction cups that are you know the plastic things that are used to attach something on smooth surface?

wait wasnt she in movie behind nick in the scene where he was standing in front of mirror and admiring his new scout uniform or do i remember wrong?

If she was there, it was too zoomed in on Nick to see much of anything except for hands. We use the _(weaver) suffix in case somebody else comes up with their own idea of how she looks, though.

Mutisija said:
what about suction cups that are you know the plastic things that are used to attach something on smooth surface?

suction_cup_(object)? these are just proposals, one thing is certain thou, there should be a difference made between the anatomical feature and a object or component of a machine that suckles and that with nether of the 2/3 does a tentacle always apply.

Regarding suction cups on tentacles, do we have a tag for when they're latching onto something such as nipples, clits, or penises?

Ruku said:
As for the fan made female wilde, i would actualy tend more to aliasing it all to mrs_wilde_(weaver) as most images show mrs. wilde as a independent fan made character, not a gendershifted wilde from zootopia. mrs. wilde would seem to be the spouse of the male wilde we know from zootopia. I do agree on an implication to zootopia thru

Mrs. Wilde is not a fan made character it is a faceless canon character. However, Weaver's appearance of said canon character isn't canon. You're making too many assumptions; the only Mrs. Wilde from Zootopia is Nick's mother, hence the only assumption you could defend would be that any character relating to Zootopia and named Mrs. Wilde would be the mother of Nick.

At best you could implicate Mrs._Wilde_(Weaver) to Mrs._Wilde, but aliasing all to Weaver wouldn't make sense, and will only cause problems in the future.

Furrin_Gok said:
Yes: Canon, she does not have a body. There is no visual appearance for her, and none was ever made. In Weaver's fanon, she has one, and thus everybody who's drawn art of her tends to mention the design being Weaver's.

She is indeed seen (as mentioned), but you cannot see her head/face (probably because nothing would be gained at that point to introduce Nick's mother).

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Ruku said:
i would suggest disambiguating suction_cup , alias suckers to suction_cup_(anatomy) and create suction_cup_(machine) for that so named component on milking_machine. I oppose any implication or alias of suction_cup to tentacles because suction cups may also be featured on a characters tail or even penis that arnt always tentacles.

I can get behind a disambiguation, though I doubt we really need more than two, i.e. anatomy and object.

Separating larger cups from the smaller "suckers", speaking of would anyone ever tag a suction cup as sucker/suckers? Also would anyone ever tag lolipops as suckers? 'Cause if so that's a small problem.

Mrs._Wilde_(Weaver) (with a period) isn't even in use. Is there anything approaching a consensus on whether Mr/Ms/Mrs in tags should have a period? There was forum #195913 approving of mrs_brisby -> mrs._brisby.

We could alias
mrs_wilde_(weaver) -> mrs._wilde_(weaver)
mrs_wilde -> mrs._wilde
but keep them separate, or implicate mrs._wilde_(weaver) -> mrs._wilde. I guess it depends whether they're essentially "the same character", which could get dangerously philosophical.
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Chessax said:
lolipops

*snicker*

Chessax said:
would anyone ever tag a suction cup as sucker/suckers?

No but so now are you talking about the anatomical ones or the manufactured ones? If someone tags the manufactured ones as suckers that's Just Wrong imo, but they do tag the anatomical ones with it plenty; that's why I brought it up....

I should note we do have sucker aliased to lollipop already. Do we need a sucker_(disambiguation) and a suction_cup_(disambiguation)? Does it even matter??

Kogith said:
We could alias
mrs_wilde_(weaver) -> mrs._wilde_(weaver)
mrs_wilde -> mrs._wilde
but keep them separate, or implicate mrs._wilde_(weaver) -> mrs._wilde. I guess it depends whether they're essentially "the same character", which could get dangerously philosophical.

+1 it's what I want, even implication from Weaver's Mrs. Wilde, unless they're for some reason not related enough to Mrs. Wilde to not warrant this (which I doubt).

Kogith said:
No but so now are you talking about the anatomical ones or the manufactured ones? If someone tags the manufactured ones as suckers that's Just Wrong imo, but they do tag the anatomical ones with it plenty; that's why I brought it up....

I should note we do have sucker aliased to lollipop already. Do we need a sucker_(disambiguation) and a suction_cup_(disambiguation)? Does it even matter??

Argh... Too many similar terms. I was checking wiki/googling/looking up the terms, and found that:

• sucker can be used for lolipop (current alias) or other candy.
• sucker can be used for anatomical suction_cup (i.e. current suckers)
• sucker can be used for mechanical suction_cup
• suckers is just plural of above and could hence cause issues.

Maybe disambiguation is the only good solution.

Bumping this because yet another three missus Wilde tags are showing up.

For now, I suggest aliasing mrs wilde -> mrs. wilde. For Weaver's Wilde, if it she is not dramatically different (i can't judge, never saw the film), then it should also be aliased as Mrs Wilde (weaver) -> Mrs. Weaver. This is based from the AU argument, where characters are still tagged as one despite acting/looking different.

And, for a minor joke, what about these suckers?

Siral_Eurgh-xan said:
Bumping this because yet another three missus Wilde tags are showing up.

For now, I suggest manually changing all three it Mrs. (or is it Ms?) Wilde, and aliasing mrs wilde -> mrs. wilde. For Weaver's Wilde, if it she is not dramatically different (i can't judge, never saw the film), then it should also be aliased as Mrs Wilde (weaver) -> Mrs. Weaver. This is based from the AU argument, where characters are still tagged as one despite acting/looking different.

The reason I'm saying manually change is it's for now. If there is no difference, then the tags can be left and the alias can fix it automatically.

The problem with whether Weaver's interpretation is "canon" or not is that she can barely be considered a character in the film itself, she's on screen for 10 seconds and young Nick is standing in front of her and her face is off-screen.

I've added the mrs_wilde tag to all posts with mrs_wilde_(weaver). Even though there wasn't much of the character in the source material, one artist's interpretation of a character should still fall under the main tag for the character, the same way that all futashy_(cartoonlion) posts are also tagged with fluttershy.

So, this made my brain itch for a while, so I did some research:

The milking machine used on a cow is made up of many parts. But we're only interested in a few of them.

The teat cup is the part that, shockingly, cups the teats. Each teat cup is made up of an outer shell usually made of metal, and a rubber inner liner that is rather thin. The suction occurs when the inner liner is--through the magic of atmospheric pressure-- made to contract and pull at the teat (which is what triggers the milk to come out-- it's not a vacuum)

Equipment used on humans seems to have a broad range of terms: Flange, horn, cup... yeah.

Obviously, most milking machines drawn are not accurate and are made, instead to 1) provide a view of what is being milked 2) represent the idea of a milking machine

... and all that's fine. No one really wants industrial farm hardware in their porn :)

So, I'd propose that they might want teat_cup over section cup.