Because no, they're not the same thing, if I'd intended them to be identical tags, I wouldn't have bothered creating the after_ tag in the first place. I mean, if you're gonna' alias after_incest to incest, you might as well alias after_rape to rape, and after_sex to sex, and so on and so forth, while you're at it. The whole point of the tag was to let people specifically search for, or specifically avoid, images where the incest is not currently happening in-image. The imminent_incest tag already exists for that purpose, as far as concerns images where the incest is ABOUT to happen, so there's no reason there shouldn't be an after_incest tag for when the incest already happened.

After sex and after rape have things to show. There's no way to know incest happened if it isn't happening in the same image, since you can't use what you read to tag.

Furrin_Gok said:
After sex and after rape have things to show. There's no way to know incest happened if it isn't happening in the same image, since you can't use what you read to tag.

Except both the incest and after_sex tags are valid. If sex between two particular characters would warrant the incest tag, yet you have those same two characters in an after_sex situation, why wouldn't after_incest be valid for such a picture?

isn't the act itself it's more for the situation. It dosn't need to be sex just there has to be something in the image that makes it clear that there are two related characters that are having a sexual or romantic relationship.
If it's after_sex it's still incest.

Furthermore, we want the incest tag to be as broad as possible to avoid stuff slipping through blacklist.

darryus said:
incest isn't the act itself it's more for the situation.

I don't think the incest tag is supposed to encompass things outside of sex. At least, the wiki page for incest says:
"Incest refers to sexual acts between individuals who are genetically related"
which isn't too different from sex:
"Images or animations depicting any kind of sexual activity between two or more characters"

Does something else say otherwise?

Watsit said:
I don't think the incest tag is supposed to encompass things outside of sex. At least, the wiki page for incest says:
"Incest refers to sexual acts between individuals who are genetically related"
which isn't too different from sex:
"Images or animations depicting any kind of sexual activity between two or more characters"

Does something else say otherwise?

I'd probably more say that the wiki page is kinda super outdated and/or not very accurate, especially since it kinda just seems like a definition ripped straight from a dictionary rather than any actual useful tagging information; it's been pretty much unchanged since it was originally created in 2011.
If you look at how the tag has been used over time (and probably how the moderation team has enforced the tag) you'll find it's been used on a bunch of posts with no sex happening.

If after_incest was being used the same way as after_sex, then "after_sex incest" would likely cover all examples. If you have a counterexample for us to look at please provide it.

I'm having trouble thinking of one that doesn't involve sex. If it was a relationship thing, would that be like the moment after a passionate kiss?

I don't think kissing counts as sex and it probably counts as incest.

TheVileOne said:
If after_incest was being used the same way as after_sex, then "after_sex incest" would likely cover all examples.

I don't think the incest tag would apply for after-the-fact. You wouldn't tag after_sex with sex or after_kiss with kiss, so incest wouldn't apply for posts that would be after_incest.

TheVileOne said:
I don't think kissing counts as sex and it probably counts as incest.

Depends on the kind of kiss. A kiss on the cheek isn't too abnormal for family. On the lips is cutting it close, depending on the context (a prank or a dare kind of thing probably shouldn't count as incest). With tongue, sure. Either way though, it's still an act between two or more characters that there can be an after period for, if there's enough clues that it happened.

TheVileOne said:
If after_incest was being used the same way as after_sex, then "after_sex incest" would likely cover all examples.

I know you weren't talking to me, but I'm certain there are people who would try to raise that point as an argument against my un-aliasing suggestion, so I figure I'll present my counter-argument here, anyway.

Using that same logic, "after_sex rape" would cover pretty much all the same things using "after_rape" would, and yet, we have the after_rape tag...This is because there's a limit to how many tags a user can input into their search parameters, so when a specific situation is common enough within pieces submitted here to have multiple pages of results, it's typically considered better to have a specialized tag for that situation, so you don't need to input a string of multiple tags just to narrow the results down to that one specific thing. The tagging system is meant to be for the benefit of the users, after all. So, yeah, "Searching for 'after_sex incest' will yield the same results!" just isn't a good enough argument, IMO.

Also:

TheVileOne said:
I don't think kissing counts as sex and it probably counts as incest.

It doesn't count as sex, this is true. But if it's being done in a way that is clearly more intimate than people normally do with family, it absolutely counts as incest.

Again, incest isn't used for related characters having sex. It's used for any posts with incestuous relationships of any kind are clearly visible. So whether the characters are having sex, are kissing, just finished having sex, or something else in the same vein it's all tagged incest.
incest =/= sex so an "after_incest" tag wouldn't really fit.

In any case you defiantly shouldn't be removing the incest tag and replacing it with a new tag that no one has used or blacklisted before.

Jacob said:
Using that same logic, "after_sex rape" would cover pretty much all the same things using "after_rape" would, and yet, we have the after_rape tag...This is because there's a limit to how many tags a user can input into their search parameters, so when a specific situation is common enough within pieces submitted here to have multiple pages of results, it's typically considered better to have a specialized tag for that situation, so you don't need to input a string of multiple tags just to narrow the results down to that one specific thing. The tagging system is meant to be for the benefit of the users, after all. So, yeah, "Searching for 'after_sex incest' will yield the same results!" just isn't a good enough argument, IMO.

So, to be a little bit pedantic, "after_incest" is not equal to "after_sex," because incest is more of a general idea than just sex. A more correct equiavlent would be "after_incestuous_sex." It's the same argument that others have been bringing up, just stated differently.

I feel like the rationality behind searches is maybe a bit loose because that's what the blacklist is for. If someone is so averse to incest, it's much more convinient to that user to use their blacklist rather than to always have to input -after_incest or -after_incestuous_sex.

If your argument is to reduce the number of tags for searching, that is the actual best way to do so.