I've been uploading a fair amount of different animal_humanoid images, among other things, and it had me thinking about how they're tagged.

E.g.: How specific should things get?

There's (while it's a small tag) cephalopod_humanoid for things like squid/octopus, but it doesn't get any more specific than that. But then you see things like cat_humanoid, dog_humanoid and fox_humanoid which are fairly specific, but little-to-no canine_humanoid or feline_humanoid.

In place of respective humanoid tags, I've often seen the sub-tag squid/octopus paired with cephalopod_humanoid and the super-tag canine paired with dog_humanoid/wolf_humanoid, which seems a little... odd.

SarahColley said:
I've been uploading a fair amount of different animal_humanoid images, among other things, and it had me thinking about how they're tagged.

E.g.: How specific should things get?

There's (while it's a small tag) cephalopod_humanoid for things like squid/octopus, but it doesn't get any more specific than that. But then you see things like cat_humanoid, dog_humanoid and fox_humanoid which are fairly specific, but little-to-no canine_humanoid or feline_humanoid.

In place of respective humanoid tags, I've often seen the sub-tag squid/octopus paired with cephalopod_humanoid and the super-tag canine paired with dog_humanoid/wolf_humanoid, which seems a little... odd.

The animal humanoids mostly imply the base species, IE dog humanoid implies canine, cat humanoid implies feline, etc. They all should, but for some reason a chunk of them don't. They shouldn't be tagged as the main animal I don't believe, so you can remove a base fox tag from a fox humanoid post.

However, otherwise... it's kind of a mess atm. A lot of people just leave it at animal humanoid and nothing else when they should be more specific, and a lot of them miss their proper implications, many even missing a base humanoid implication.

Personally....

When a species can be clearly identified by the humanoid, I tag it:

for example:

post #1555980 - reddish fur, fluffy tail, white tip = fox
post #1553639 - golden fur, fluffy tail, white-tip and ears are blackbrown and canine-shaped = fox
post #1422482 - orangey fur, fluffy tail, white tip, dark ears = fox
post #1548618 - Well, it's clearly a animal humanoid based off of the furry character there, so. But past that_ orange fur, dark ears, dark tip on tail THOUGH... If the character didn't have his foxy companion, I'd probably tag him as a canine

on the other hand:

post #1476969 - What? well, uh... everything's green, so color is discarded, the ears are pointy and canine-shaped.... but the tail looks like hair not fur and has no lightening at the tip. I'd honestly think about calling this a horse humanoid, except for the claws. Canine_humanoid? demon? flora_fauna? I"m not sure.
post #1422400 the humanoid isn't specifically one species or another, yet is clearly canine -- I knew she was a dog, do tag her dog humanoid and canine humanoid
post #1491863 - I see a trainwreck of tags, anyway, but the one that's supposed to be a fox is purple, with vaguely foxy ears, a rounded thin tail --I'd tag feline_humanoid
post #1449811 - pointy ears and... well, tha'ts it. they're more dog-shaped than cat-shaped. so canine_humanoid. (sorry, fixed typo)

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:

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The animal humanoids mostly imply the base species, IE dog humanoid implies canine, cat humanoid implies feline, etc. They all should, but for some reason a chunk of them don't. They shouldn't be tagged as the main animal I don't believe, so you can remove a base fox tag from a fox humanoid post.

However, otherwise... it's kind of a mess atm. A lot of people just leave it at animal humanoid and nothing else when they should be more specific, and a lot of them miss their proper implications, many even missing a base humanoid implication.

So, "squid/octopus_humanoid" should be used with "cephalopod" rather than "cephalopod_humanoid" and "octopus/squid", then? It makes sense to me, I've just seen a lot of images where it's reversed.
And since you said things are a bit messy... I guess that might explain those images.

The only issue I see with that is maybe when things are a little... vague-looking. Like, if you can tell the humanoid is a canine, but have no idea if it's dog or wolf. Unless "canine" + "animal_humanoid" would suffice even without "dog/wolf_humamoid".

Either way: I think we can at least agree that the animal humanoid tag's qualifications, implications, etc need a looooot of work on them atm.

AbiCordo said:
So, "squid/octopus_humanoid" should be used with "cephalopod" rather than "cephalopod_humanoid" and "octopus/squid", then? It makes sense to me, I've just seen a lot of images where it's reversed.
And since you said things are a bit messy... I guess that might explain those images.

The only issue I see with that is maybe when things are a little... vague-looking. Like, if you can tell the humanoid is a canine, but have no idea if it's dog or wolf. Unless "canine" + "animal_humanoid" would suffice even without "dog/wolf_humamoid".

the canine humanoid tag seems to be used in these vague cases

anyways as snowwolf said I think this is mostly dependent on how obvious to the base animal the humanoid is? but idk if we rly have a solid site consensus on it atm

Personally, I would be much more specific, using... for example:

post #1554195 Jackaye, a jackalope girl.

I would use "animal_humanoid, lagomorph_humanoid, rabbit_humanoid, cervine_humanoid, antelope_humanoid" for this, completely separating it from the other tags I see used on full-furs. (cervine, lagomorph, etc)

I think it would help ease confusion, as well, if things were just completely separated instead of being slightly-meshed and slightly-not-meshed.

But... that would also make it a lot more tedious. In my eyes it's an issue between how thorough things should be and how much we should sacrifice for the sake of convenience. I'm fine with extremely tedious, specific things like that, but many others may not be.

AbiCordo said:
Personally, I would be much more specific, using... for example:

post #1554195 Jackaye, a jackalope girl.

I would use "animal_humanoid, lagomorph_humanoid, rabbit_humanoid, cervine_humanoid, antelope_humanoid" for this, completely separating it from the other tags I see used on full-furs. (cervine, lagomorph, etc)

I think it would help ease confusion, as well, if things were just completely separated instead of being slightly-meshed and slightly-not-meshed.

But... that would also make it a lot more tedious. In my eyes it's an issue between how thorough things should be and how much we should sacrifice for the sake of convenience. I'm fine with extremely tedious, specific things like that, but many others may not be.

honestly in that specific case i'd just use animal_humanoid jackalope_humanoid (maybe even lagomorph_humanoid) and not use any cervine related tags at all as jackalopes aren't (usually) cervine hybrids or cervine related, they just have horns or antlers

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
honestly in that specific case i'd just use animal_humanoid jackalope_humanoid (maybe even lagomorph_humanoid) and not use any cervine related tags at all as jackalopes aren't (usually) cervine hybrids or cervine related, they just have horns or antlers

I mean... yeah. It would be more sensible to probably just use "jackalope_humanoid", "rabbit_humanoid" and "lagomorph_humanoid", tbh. But, I think you get what I'm saying.

I wouldn't stop at "canine, dog_humanoid", I'd go "canine_humanoid, dog_humanoid" instead.

AbiCordo said:
I mean... yeah. It would be more sensible to probably just use "jackalope_humanoid", "rabbit_humanoid" and "lagomorph_humanoid", tbh. But, I think you get what I'm saying.

I wouldn't stop at "canine, dog_humanoid", I'd go "canine_humanoid, dog_humanoid" instead.

Eh tru, I get the gist of what you're saying.

DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
honestly in that specific case i'd just use animal_humanoid jackalope_humanoid (maybe even lagomorph_humanoid) and not use any cervine related tags at all as jackalopes aren't (usually) cervine hybrids or cervine related, they just have horns or antlers

I'd use bunny humanoid and deer-ish humanoid both, because the character's tail is easily deer-like OR rabbit like.

SnowWolf said:
I'd use bunny humanoid and deer-ish humanoid both, because the character's tail is easily deer-like OR rabbit like.

that is also fair, considering the whole TWYS standards