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Topic: Running out of room in my blacklist

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I have maybe a DOZEN(give or take) specific tags pertaining to things that I really just don't want to see, such as cock_vore, for instance.

The problem I'm having isn't running out of content I just don't like seeing, it's particular art styles and artists. A MAJORITY of my blacklist is filled with artists and I've run out of room.

MANY of the artists I blacklist all use a similar style of art that don't have a specific tag, which would cover their art without filling my blacklist with JUST artists.

I'm not saying the art is bad, I'm saying it would be nice to have umbrella tags for art styles for exactly that reason; to keep a blacklist from overflowing with artists who all share a style of art. Trying to tag some of these artists has even caused my blacklist to stop working ENTIRELY and I've had to revert to using a text document of tags as a backup of what tags WORK to keep my blacklist functional.

EDITED: Some artist tags don't even work at all. Blacklisting them does literally nothing to hide their content from my feed, meanwhile other items I've blacklisted are being hidden.

I don't know EXACTLY how to describe it without simply calling out an artist as an example for an umbrella tagging system. I mean, we have a tag for 'manga' which covers a BROAD range of art but doesn't always cover JUST manga-comics but also covers singular images.

Updated by Rowan Bojog

Well, lets start at the top.

We don't have tags for specific art styles because those incredibly hard to define and enforce the tagging on, especially since parts of styles can be mixed and matched at will, which would cause a stupendous amount of needed tags and definitions.
So this suggestion will likely go nowhere in that regard.

As for artist tags that you can't blacklist, make sure you copy them into the blacklist as they appear, and replace all spaces with underscores. That doesn't appear to have been a problem, though, so I'm not sure what problem you're exactly encountering. If you wish you can dmail me some examples and I'll see if I can reproduce the error on my end.

However, what I have seen in your blacklist is that you're using a comma after every line, that is not needed. It's enough to simply have linebreaks for our blacklist to work. In fact, I've taken the liberty of removing all commas, and thus your blacklist has magically shrank by 291 characters.

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NotMeNotYou said:
Well, lets start at the top.

We don't have tags for specific art styles because those incredibly hard to define and enforce the tagging on, especially since parts of styles can be mixed and matched at will, which would cause a stupendous amount of needed tags and definitions.
So this suggestion will likely go nowhere in that regard.

I was afraid you were going to say that while also suspecting that were already the case.

NotMeNotYou
As for artist tags that you can't blacklist, make sure you copy them into the blacklist as they appear, and replace all spaces with underscores. That doesn't appear to have been a problem, though, so I'm not sure what problem you're exactly encountering. If you wish you can dmail me some examples and I'll see if I can reproduce the error on my end.

Well, in some cases it works immediately upon blacklisting an artist, in other cases it takes an hour or more, to take effect. I can't really describe an incident without trying to find a 'previous version' of a text document from last year, but it has happened.

NotMeNotYou
However, what I have seen in your blacklist is that you're using a comma after every line, that is not needed. It's enough to simply have linebreaks for our blacklist to work. In fact, I've taken the liberty of removing all commas, and thus your blacklist has magically shrank by 291 characters.

I have tried removing said commas, however that's what causes my blacklist to stop working entirely. If what you've done works, then FANTASTIC! If not, I'll let you know in the future. Thank you kindly for the reply and hopefully I won't have any issues like this in the future. . .

But I will run out of room eventually. Seems like there's a new artist every other day with a similar style to other artists I already have blacklisted ._.

Updated by anonymous

Can't vouch personally for if this works or not, but there seens to be a user-made tool to extend your blacklist: forum #239241

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What kind of artstyle would be worth blacklisting all together 0.o

Still I wish we had some more of artstyle tags, even if it's hard to define. Kemono is one of tags that's like that and is often useful (specifically because artist names who use that style is often some scribble)

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BirdOfGrain said:
What kind of artstyle would be worth blacklisting all together 0.o

Still I wish we had some more of artstyle tags, even if it's hard to define. Kemono is one of tags that's like that and is often useful (specifically because artist names who use that style is often some scribble)

Closest I can find to describe the art style, without naming names of specific artists, is 'morenatsu' or 'bara'. It's almost ALWAYS overweight/muscular male, manga-ISH, Asian comic stuff. Usually or always homosexual in nature.

Using muscular and overweight tags typically flags these in my blacklist but people are TERRIBLE with tags and somehow that style always slips through. But it also tends to cover some art that I'd actually like to see as well. Catch 22. Do I uncheck the 'muscular' tag and risk seeing it, or leave it and not see art by some artists I actually like.

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HeartofWolf said:
Using muscular and overweight tags typically flags these in my blacklist but people are TERRIBLE with tags and somehow that style always slips through. But it also tends to cover some art that I'd actually like to see as well. Catch 22. Do I uncheck the 'muscular' tag and risk seeing it, or leave it and not see art by some artists I actually like.

You can have multiple tags on the same line on your blacklist, and it will blacklist them only if they all appear. Alternatively you can have negations on your blacklist.

So, for instance, you could have lines like:

muscular male/male
muscular male solo

Which would be more adept at catching bara art without false positives than the muscular tag alone. I don't know what your tastes are like so it's hard to give you anything more specific than that, but there's quite a lot of flexibility to be found in using multiple terms, multiple lines, negations, and so on.

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1. Check if the artists you have blacklisted are active anymore, and remove inactive artists.
2. Check the uploaders. There is a good chance that you can remove multiple artists from your blacklist and just blacklist uploader instead. Sometimes singular uploaders is 100% responsible of all single artist's posts here.
3. Check if the artists have gotten themselves on DNP since you have blacklisted them.

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mapachito

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Lance_Armstrong said:
https://e621.net/user/show/251593

Sorry to sell out this user, but it is probably the top bara uploader.

I don’t think my uploads are bara. The tag mentions being about muscular and chubby.

Most of my uploads are overweight. I don’t use the bara tag for not being sure and not be misstagging.

I think the artsyle of my uploads is kemono

How should I tag the usual artstyle of my uploads? With kemono?

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Honestly I'm not sure why the outdated bara tag still exists here when it's essentially things thy are just kemono style musclegut and/or overweight and/or muscular men (including the very rare and underrated cases of muscular trans men who fit the features as well)

So bara in itself becomes disjointed for its broad and different usage from person to person. Really it's one of the tags I think should be done away with for proper descriptors instead.

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mapachito said:
I don’t think my uploads are bara. The tag mentions being about muscular and chubby.

Most of my uploads are overweight. I don’t use the bara tag for not being sure and not be misstagging.

Take The Boomer into custody.
...
I am The Boomer.

I don't know what bara should mean, I just think you've got what OP wants to blacklist.

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Lance_Armstrong said:
Take The Boomer into custody.
...
I am The Boomer.

I don't know what bara should mean, I just think you've got what OP wants to blacklist.

Barazoku refers to more masculine gay art as opposed to the pretty gay art that Yaoi entails. Sometimes the characters can be entirely well built, or they may be fat, or they can be inbetween. "Gay art by men for men".

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mapachito said:
I don’t think my uploads are bara. The tag mentions being about muscular and chubby.

Most of my uploads are overweight. I don’t use the bara tag for not being sure and not be misstagging.

I think the artsyle of my uploads is kemono

How should I tag the usual artstyle of my uploads? With kemono?

So.. Some of my favorites are actually in my blacklist because I have "overweight" as a blacklist term. Another issue is that, while bara does cover the musclegut male and works perfectly for omitting basically everything of that genre that I don't want to see, it doesn't actually cover the overweight/gay images that I'm specifically tying to ignore.

I'm fine with gay art, some of my favorites ARE male/male tagged. That's not the issue.

I've tried the 'overweight male solo' tag which works much of the time but it still doesn't cover the 'Asian style' overweight gay/male art, which really, really isn't my thing.

'Kemono' doesn't actually do it either since that covers such a broad range of other art that I actually like as well.

I feel like overweight, which is also such a broad term that is only loosely used by some where it doesn't really belong(such as chubby-which is fine)and NOT by others where it DOES, mostly covers what I'm trying to describe.. But that also covers art that isn't actually 'overweight'(like chubby-though for whatever reason, that tag isn't used) even though it is tagged as such and does, technically, meet the definition(because chubby IS, technically, overweight).. The problem, I think, is that many images that ought to be tagged overweight_male aren't.

The suggestions in this thread HAVE helped me immeasurably to consolidate some of my issues but it still leaves me without a way to blacklist specifically what I want without using multiple individual tags. I would also like to point out that.. while I understand trying to apply BMI guidelines to art seems like such a trivial thing, but those details impact search results.

For example; I REALLY don't like cub, loli, shota images so blacklisting those covers literally everything of that genre - EXCEPT when people neglect their tags, and that gets right under my skin. I really don't like the idea of ageplay.

But I find that this Asian-cutesy-style-overweight-(arguably)gay(not always)-male art just doesn't have a specific tag that covers it and I can't seem to go a single page(sometimes) without seeing it.

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ImpidiDinkaDoo said:
Honestly I'm not sure why the outdated bara tag still exists here when it's essentially things thy are just kemono style musclegut and/or overweight and/or muscular men (including the very rare and underrated cases of muscular trans men who fit the features as well)

So bara in itself becomes disjointed for its broad and different usage from person to person. Really it's one of the tags I think should be done away with for proper descriptors instead.

Yes, no.. Maybe there's kemono art that is mistagged then, perhaps, but that's kind of the problem. Blacklisting an entire genre of art is hard to define. Individual artists is fine, but if there were maybe 25 iterations of Sparrow_(artist)-like artists, I'd lose my mind blacklisting them all. I like SOME of his art but the distorted and excessive dimensions(example https://e621.net/post/show/2044286) he adds to his art sometimes just ruins it for me. Buuuut... Not most images tagged extreme_penetration are just fine.. Sparrow's are just absurd.

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Pakattu_suojakaasuun said:
1. Check if the artists you have blacklisted are active anymore, and remove inactive artists.
2. Check the uploaders. There is a good chance that you can remove multiple artists from your blacklist and just blacklist uploader instead. Sometimes singular uploaders is 100% responsible of all single artist's posts here.
3. Check if the artists have gotten themselves on DNP since you have blacklisted them.

This is a wonderful suggestion but not the issue I'm having. Sometimes the artist's tag is an invalid tag and is later corrected by someone else... long after I've already blacklisted the artist. This is why I have a backup document with my blacklist so I can keep tabs on what tags are the culprit, and fix my blacklist so it works again.

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Clawdragons said:
You can have multiple tags on the same line on your blacklist, and it will blacklist them only if they all appear. Alternatively you can have negations on your blacklist.

So, for instance, you could have lines like:

muscular male/male
muscular male solo

Which would be more adept at catching bara art without false positives than the muscular tag alone. I don't know what your tastes are like so it's hard to give you anything more specific than that, but there's quite a lot of flexibility to be found in using multiple terms, multiple lines, negations, and so on.

Yes, thank you, this also helps considerably. But it is still not quite enough to cover the specific type of art. Not all images tagged 'muscular' are worthy of being blacklisted. In fact most of them aren't. It's specifically the musclegut-gay art. But that still doesn't cover entirely what I'm looking for. There's also the overweight-cute-gay-Asian style art that doesn't have a specific tag.

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Lance_Armstrong said:
Take The Boomer into custody.
...
I am The Boomer.

I don't know what bara should mean, I just think you've got what OP wants to blacklist.

Well, you singled out an uploader who uploads the TYPE of art I'm looking to blacklist. Lots of it actually. But he also uploads stuff that doesn't bother me at all..

If there were a way to blacklist posts uploaded by user? Perhaps?

Not that I want to blacklist

mapachito

users specifically, because that's just asinine.

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Furrin_Gok said:
Barazoku refers to more masculine gay art as opposed to the pretty gay art that Yaoi entails. Sometimes the characters can be entirely well built, or they may be fat, or they can be inbetween. "Gay art by men for men".

This. All of this. But as I've said above.. It's also the cutesy(girly?) images I don't like.

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mapachito

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HeartofWolf said:

I've tried the 'overweight male solo' tag which works much of the time but it still doesn't cover the 'Asian style' overweight gay/male art, which really, really isn't my thing.

'Kemono' doesn't actually do it either since that covers such a broad range of other art that I actually like as well.

But I find that this Asian-cutesy-style-overweight-(arguably)gay(not always)-male art just doesn't have a specific tag that covers it and I can't seem to go a single page(sometimes) without seeing it.

HeartofWolf said:
This. All of this. But as I've said above.. It's also the cutesy(girly?) images I don't like.

There’s a tag called “debukemo” (デブケモ fat furry) used by Japanese artists on pixiv, twitter, etc used for that kind of art style “kemono, anime style, cutesy(girly?) overweight, usually male art. https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%83%87%E3%83%96%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2/artworks

I think a tag named debukemo or debukemono could be useful on here for that kind of art for blacklisting purposes of Asian-cutesy-style-overweight-(arguably)gay(not always)-male art

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mapachito said:

There’s a tag called “debukemo” (デブケモ fat furry) used by Japanese artists on pixiv, twitter, etc used for that kind of art style “kemono, anime style, cutesy(girly?) overweight, usually male art. https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%83%87%E3%83%96%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2/artworks

I think a tag named debukemo or debukemono could be useful on here for that kind of art for blacklisting purposes of Asian-cutesy-style-overweight-(arguably)gay(not always)-male art

Yeeaahh, blech.. I knew better but I checked that link against my better judgement. Heh. Yes, I think that might work for this type of art.

I mean, I'm not trying to be judgemental here or say there's anything wrong with this type of art. It's just not my thing and I get annoyed when I see so much of it or when I load a page and 4/5ths of a page is completely blacklisted because I have so many blacklisted items that don't even cover what I'm looking to avoid.. ಠ_ಠ

If it's possible to narrow it down to a tag like that, it would be immensely helpful; I could then remove a number of my blacklisted words and clean my list.

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HeartofWolf said:
... This is why I have a backup document with my blacklist so I can keep tabs on what tags are the culprit, and fix my blacklist so it works again.

It sounds like you and I have exactly opposite tastes, but a lot of the same problems.

People are always mistagging things and over-tagging things to get a bigger audience... otherwise "forgetting" to tag things they know people find objectionable (cub being a particularly common example).

If your list is just not working, then hopefully what the admin did earlier will help ^O^ But if it is working properly and stuff you don't want to see is still sneaking through, it honestly sounds like you're doing everything you can. I mean, keeping a document of your own to cross-check is real dedication. I envy your diligence! Hopefully you'll find a way to lessen what you don't want to see. I know how aggravating it is when stuff sneaks past your blacklist. >O<

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Rowan_Bojog said:
It sounds like you and I have exactly opposite tastes, but a lot of the same problems.

People are always mistagging things and over-tagging things to get a bigger audience... otherwise "forgetting" to tag things they know people find objectionable (cub being a particularly common example).

If your list is just not working, then hopefully what the admin did earlier will help ^O^ But if it is working properly and stuff you don't want to see is still sneaking through, it honestly sounds like you're doing everything you can. I mean, keeping a document of your own to cross-check is real dedication. I envy your diligence! Hopefully you'll find a way to lessen what you don't want to see. I know how aggravating it is when stuff sneaks past your blacklist. >O<

So, if you notice my avatar; the image itself contains muscular_male, male/male and shows a clear distention of the belly(bulge)so if I had any of those blacklisted, I never would have seen it..

I am also just now noticing that the post contains 'cub' and 'shota' tags that weren't there when I made it my avatar. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I don't see this as cub, or even shota and it's not blacklisted as my avatar even though I have that selected in my settings.. So, you see my problem? mistagging happens a lot, along with over-tagging, like you said.

Seriously.. >=(
My avatar is one of my favorite images but there are no signs of the 'smaller_male' of being cub or shota, especially since shota is a very specific tag. I hate having to go back through my favorites to weed out cub images even though I don't see any reason why the image contains the 'cub' tag.

With comics or images that have 'story in description' that explicitly state or indicate age, I can understand but I see absolutely no reason why cub or shota should be tagged. Twys is important and I hate when this happens.

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HeartofWolf said:
So, if you notice my avatar; the image itself contains muscular_male, male/male and shows a clear distention of the belly(bulge)so if I had any of those blacklisted, I never would have seen it..

I am also just now noticing that the post contains 'cub' and 'shota' tags that weren't there when I made it my avatar. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻...

I see your difficulty in assuring that this kind of art is separated from what you don't want to see. Chubby and/or overweight don't apply to this one, so that at least would weed out some of what you don't want to see.

As far as the cub tag on this particular image, looking at the tag-history it was added by an admin, so probably don't want to un-tag it. In this case I agree with the cub-tag. The two characters are the same species with the same features, the smaller one is a lighter color, the body proportions are more childlike... it doesn't scream cub, but all of that put together does very strongly suggest that one is a child.

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Rowan_Bojog said:
I see your difficulty in assuring that this kind of art is separated from what you don't want to see. Chubby and/or overweight don't apply to this one, so that at least would weed out some of what you don't want to see.

As far as the cub tag on this particular image, looking at the tag-history it was added by an admin, so probably don't want to un-tag it. In this case I agree with the cub-tag. The two characters are the same species with the same features, the smaller one is a lighter color, the body proportions are more childlike... it doesn't scream cub, but all of that put together does very strongly suggest that one is a child.

Right? But see.. That's why there's the 'younger_male' tag, which doesn't usually infer 'cub'. In fact there's at least 50 pages, from what I can see, that are tagged 'younger_male' that also do not contain 'cub'. Some of which appear cub and others of which do not. For instance, gcfmug's Commission for MrPeculiart comic. Younger_male, smaller_male, clearly small/young but not cub or child. 3mangos with annabelle and cocoa; both clearly younger_male, smaller_male but not cub or child.

But..

As far as the cub tag on this particular image, looking at the tag-history it was added by an admin, so probably don't want to un-tag it.

Which is why I haven't. I'm just thoroughly annoyed and considering removing it from my favorites and my avatar..

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HeartofWolf said:
Right? But see.. That's why there's the 'younger_male' tag, which doesn't usually infer 'cub'.

"Younger_male" applies to anything with age disparity where the younger character is male. This includes age-difference where both parties are adults, such as 30 and 60 years old- but it can also apply to cub images.

"Cub" is specifically any character that appears underage, so mid-teens and below.

One doesn't have to imply the other, but it seems like in this case the admin deemed the younger character to appear underage.

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