Aliasing firebird_(species) → phoenix
Link to alias
Reason:
Somebody's been removing phoenix tags and putting on the firebird tag instead, when phoenix is the proper name for a firebird.
Updated by SnowWolf
Topic: Tag Alias: firebird_(species) -> phoenix
Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions
-1. Wrong; there are several firebirds in several different mythologies and cultures, at least around 4-5. Some examples include the Persian Huma bird, the Chinese Fenghuang (funnily enough, often mislabeled in english as "the chinese phoenix"), the Egyptian Bennu, etc. The phoenix is one of several kinds of mythological firebirds. The phoenix is a firebird, but all firebirds are NOT phoenixes. Think of it like rectangles to squares; every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. The species suffix in the tag, for the record, was added due to other things being called firebird (such as the famous pontiac car.).
The firebird_(species) tag, imho, works as an all encompassing tag for these types of mythological creatures . If someone's removing it from images of phoenixes and just leaving firebird_(species) but no phoenix, then the phoenix tag should be re-added. It may have been that the creature in a post resembled a vague firebird so the tag was used as a base tag for the species. Note that often phoenix is used on images of bird creatures that don't resemble traditional phoenixes or firebirds often, mainly due to it being a fictional character and creative liberties often muddle these things in interpretation, especially when trying to comply with TWYS.
Now then, in regards to the suggestion: I say phoenix should imply firebird_(species) instead.
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DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
-1. Wrong; there are several firebirds in several different mythologies and cultures, at least around 4-5. Some examples include the Persian Huma bird, the Chinese Fenghuang (funnily enough, often mislabeled in english as "the chinese phoenix"), the Egyptian Bennu, etc. The phoenix is one of several kinds of mythological firebirds. The phoenix is a firebird, but all firebirds are NOT phoenixes. Think of it like rectangles to squares; every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. The species suffix in the tag, for the record, was added due to other things being called firebird (such as the famous pontiac car.).The firebird_(species) tag, imho, works as an all encompassing tag for these types of mythological creatures . If someone's removing it from images of phoenixes and just leaving firebird_(species) but no phoenix, then the phoenix tag should be re-added. It may have been that the creature in a post resembled a vague firebird so the tag was used as a base tag for the species. Note that often phoenix is used on images of bird creatures that don't resemble traditional phoenixes or firebirds often, mainly due to it being a fictional character and creative liberties often muddle these things in interpretation, especially when trying to comply with TWYS.
Now then, in regards to the suggestion: I say phoenix should imply firebird_(species) instead.
Everything about the firebird wiki we have here is still phoenix.
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Furrin_Gok said:
Everything about the firebird wiki we have here is still phoenix.
Not everything: phoenix's don't have many qualities some other firebirds have, such as but not limited to: associations with rainbows, association with luck, NOT associated with reincarnation via ashes but rather reincarnation via other ways, relation to unreachable heights and fortune, heavy visual resemblance to a alt color peacock with no fire seen on it, etc etc. Labelling those as phoenixes would be mistagging imho, as they wouldn't be portrayed as the normal, fiery bird we think of as the phoenix, and would be things like rainbow feathered or just colorful birds.
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-1, as it would imply the fengshuang is a subspecies of phoenix rather than a distinct figure.
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klorpa said:
-1, as it would imply the fengshuang is a subspecies of phoenix rather than a distinct figure.
Yeah exactly; while having some similar qualities, a fengshuang is a pretty distinct creature, and not at all like the traditional, flaming phoenixes.
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Hm, I didn't weigh in here.
okay, so, raising this thread from the ashes, I guess
When I go to wikipedia, and look for Firebird... I get results for some cars, some actual birds (Scarlet Tanagers and the like), several books, comics and anthologies, several films, a Ballet, several bands, a few albums and songs, a few instruments, some software, software labels, some vidya games, sports teams, some missiles/aircraft.. whew... Oh yeah, and other things I"ll get into in a sec.
Phoenix is pretty similar, only with more place-names, fictional characters, etc.
So okay.
Mythology.
Look, I talk a lot about mythological fire birbs in here. You might find this neat to read about, but you could probably skip it if you're in a hurry, or don't wanna read my birbramble. Bramble.
The Bennu is an ancient Egyptian Sun/Creation/rebirth deity. He is "He Who Came Into Being By Himself" :) and was thought to, like the sun, periodically renew himself. Pictures of the Bennu depict him as a gray heron, with a long beak and crest. It is thought that the Bennu later inspired the Phoenix.
Conclusion: Bennu is a character. He should be a deity in egyptian_mythology, who is a heron.
Bennu is also a enemy in Final Fantasy (bennu_(final_fantasy)), a character belonging to nexus (bennu_(nexus)) and supposedly an artist (bennu).... (I say supposedly because they have 2 images uploaded, with no sources and really different art styles, I dunno man.
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The Huma bird is an Iranian myth. There are many legends about it, and it supposedly flies eternally, never landing upon the ground. Some legends say that it consumes itself in fire every few centuries to be renewed from the ashes. It is both male and female (split down the middle) and is a compassionate and kind creature bringing good luck to those who's paths it crosses. In some stories, it has no legs, in others, it has no wings or legs, while in others still, they have both. :) Tilework depictions show it looking something like a peacock with blues and greens in it's feathers, and long tailfeathers, while others show them with a more gryffon like appearance.
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The wikipedia page for Huma Bird has been suggests for merging with the Simurgh which is another benevolent Iranian bird, which appears as a giant bird-- large enough to carry off an elephant. It is a peacock with the head of a dog and the claws of a lion, though it may be depicted with a human face. It is female, and doesn't like sneks. It's feathers are copper. She is said to have lived so long that she's seen the end of the world 3 times, and periodically renewed itself in flames. She purifies the land, and brings fertility.
Conclusion: Both Huma Bird and Simurgh are probably species. The Simurgh is far more visually distinct than the huma bird, however.
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Firebird of Slavic Lore--or the Zhar Ptica--is a magical glowing bird from far away, with a majestic plumage that glows brightly in colors of red, orange and yellow. Later it is described as a fire-colored peacock. It is beautiful, dangerous and wild. She is in many stories and is often the goal of a quest or a journey, that typically brings great sorrow to those around her. I'm not describing much here, but this is a pretty major folk lore figure, and lots of beings are being changed into it, or trying to catch it, or retrieve her tail feathers or what have you.
for fun: post #1424190 is decisively a slavic firebirb.
Conclusion: the Slavic Firbirb is a species and a ...character-archetype, much like Anubis.
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The Phoenix. The Greeco-roman phoenix is supposedly Purpleish red in color, but has also been described as partly red, gold, built and sized like an eagle. Some say it is rooster line, while others say it has a crest of feathers. The colors described vary depending on the source, though it is always bright and colorful. (one of my favorite descriptions comes from Lactantius who said it had eyes like sapphires, legs covered in yellow gold scales and rose colored talons. He also said that it was larger than an ostrich. Beautiful.)
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The Hindu Garuda is the divine King of Birds, and carries Vishnu upon his back. He is depicted both as an Anthro bird-man thing, and as a giant bird. He is sometimes depicted as a simple kite but often carrying Vishnu around ... He is a sun bird, and is the embodiement of courage, a powerful creature who's wings can stop the spinning of heavens, earth and hell. AS a bird, he is eagle like, ready to fly, his man-like form may have a heak, a beaklike nose, bird legs, and an emerald body with golden wings with anywhere from 2 to 4 hands. A text suggests that he is best shown with only 2 hands, and gold color from feet to knees, White from knees to navel, then scarlet and finally black. :) Interestingly, he, like many of the birds I've written about, is often the enemy of snakes. He is a royal figure, of the king's duty and power, often shown with three heads, and as a symbol of speed and martial prowess.
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The Fenghuang is also King of all Birds -- and is called the "chinese Phoenix" mostly by people who need to squeeze Asian culture into a western mold so they can make sense of it. :P It is a bird made of many other creatures parts, though modern depictions stick to bird-parts (head of a golden pheasant, the body of a mandarin duck, the tail of a peacock, the legs of a crane, the mouth of a parrot, and the wings of a swallow. . .. yknow, the usual stuff)... it represents the sky, the moon, the wind, the earth, and the planets, It carries the 5 Fundamental colors and it is believed that it only appears in places that are blessed with peace, prosperity and happiness. It represents power sent from the heavens to the Empress. High virtue and grace, the merging of Yin and Yang. It's not so much the bearer of good fortune so much as a symbol of it's existence. Japanese folklore calls it the hō-ō ... there's nothing about it being born in flames, renewing itself, being made of fire... or anything like that.
These are a lot of different creatures. and while many of them may share a similar initial mythology, they've all grown into rather unique creatures.
The "Flaming bird of fire" is most similar to the Zhar Ptica and Phoenix -- but no mythology I've found has an actual flaming bird like moltres
So. let's have a look at the posts now.
I am seeing several types of creature here.
1) Birb on fire, or close to fire, or really hot birb that is not thanksgiving birb
post #1614693 post #1371159 post #1505637 post #1311139
2) Birb with red/orange/yellow feathers:
post #1553431 post #1618845 post #1516728 post #684850
2b) Red orange/yellow birb that looks a little more Mythological:
post #1424190 post #937861
3) Famous Birb. That is, birds called "phoenix" in a franchise...
post #1566094 post #658308 (Insert Moltres here) (surprised there's not anything from Harry Potter...)
4) It's a phoenix because I say it is.
post #452503 post #538243 post #942884
post #940115 post #575031 post #943661
5) Elemental birds, that are not fire.
post #1378459 post #1042631 post #1143461
post #325527 post #89033 post #958474 post #881486
(the first is described as a storm phoenix. The green one is a 'character' from Fallout Equestria. I can't remember if it's a character or a species, or perhaps both. The last one is Anivia from League of Legends, and is described as a Cryophoenix)
thunderbird is a tag it's only got about 23 pictures, but it's pretty much the same thing I've described: several "electric bird" and "storm birds" but mostly it's category 4 - "It's a thunderbird because I say it is"
Thunderbird
Email software. Several films. a TV show from the 60's that was performed with puppets.. Bands, songs. comics and shorts teams, aircraft, carsm and other thigns with and without wheels, locations. An extinct family of birds.
Interesting, thunderbird is apparently a term used in Cryptozoology to describe large bird-like critters.
But here here for Thunderbirds.
Part of the lore of the North American indigenous peoples. They are most commonly found in the stories from the Pacific Northwest-- but are found all over. They are usually associated with strength and power. The Algonquians believe that the thunderbird controls the overworld while the underworld is controlled by the underwater panther (yes really. :D) or hte great horned serpent. They are usually depicted with an X-shape. The Menominee stories say there's a great mountain that floats in the west where the thunderbirds live, controlling rain and hail and enjoying fighting and great deeds. Kinda like Bird-vikings I guess. They're the enemies of the Great Horned snakes and are messengers of the sun. Whe Ojibwe say that they were created to fight the underwater spirits, and to punish humans who broke moral rules.
No, there really isn't much there.
Some tribes in South Africa speak of a Lightning Bird which summons thunder and lightning, and is a black and white bird, the size of a person. It's associated with witchcraft and is the servant/familiar of a witch, with an insatiable appetite for blood. ... it is also described, sometimes, as having peacock like feathers, or a fiery red tail. HMMM. :D
I would be bad if I forgot about the roc, which, like the Huma bird, comes from the Middle East. ... it is an Enormous bird of prey, described as being the size of a mountain. and there isn't one bit of thunder or lightning in this. Huh. It seems more like a creature than a ... force of nature.
6) Probably actually another species of Mythological bird:
post #1477269 - a huma bird maybe? it's described as a blue phoenix
post #1505655 - Described as an earth phoenix and a "god of life" phoenix
post #1317454 - well, it's an on fire birb.
post #161595 - I guess this is just a redbirb, but it has a lot of those mythological traits like the super long tail feathers and stuff.
Oh yeah.
7) Pokemon
Okay. wrapping it back around... I feel like we shouldn't tag anything with Phoenix, or firebird or anything like that. but should instead come up with a series of tags that can DESCRIBE these types of birds.
elemental is a tag, as are fire_elemental and water, ice, air and earth... pain, nature, lava, storm, candy, wind.. hmm.
okay, elemental and phoenix both only have around 900 posts, as does firebird... so, aroudn 3000 posts in all.)and I suspect there's a lot of overlap.
What about something like... elemental_bird or elemental_avian? Maybe broken down into fire_avian(or fire_bird) and storm_avian etc..
So...
| Phoenix/firebird aliases to fire_avian | fire_avian implies elemental_avian | elemental_avian implies avian |
| fire_avian implies fire_elemental | fire_elemental implies elemental |
(Side note, even if you don't have an opinion, is that chart understandable? I know when we get into complicated implication/alias trees, it can be hard to follow in a list, so playing around with some different ways of presenting the information.)
Maybe top-down instead?
| Phoenix/firebird aliases to fire_avian | ||
| fire_avian implies elemental_avian | fire_avian implies fire_elemental | |
| elemental_avian implies avian | fire_elemental implies elemental |
Maybe toss some extra tags in there like flaming_wings and long_feathers where needed?
mythology as a tag is woefully underused, but maybe something like Mythological_creature might be good as a 'catch all' for some of the birds like the huma bird or the Zhar Ptica.. hm. I dunno.
Also... fenghuang seems like the most visually distinct of the birds (along with Simurgh)... and we actually have some tags for it already:
- fenghuang_(species) seems to MOSTLY be images from Osamu Tezuka's "hi no Tori" ... Hi no Tori is translated as "phoenix" which is, literally bird of fire. The bird in question is not called a Fenghuang, or a Ho-oh or anything ... actually Tezuka seems to have been inspired by the Phoenix myths, as the manga focuses mostly on immortality and reincarnation. So the tagging of this character as Fenghuang... well, remember what I said about western cultures and western cultures? :)
- fenghuang_(kung_fu_panda) appears to be a black owl and makes me go ?????? at how much of a colorful rainbow bird she is not.
- fenghuang is a character tag with 1 post -- a red/orange/yellow birb -- oh, with colors on it's tail so it might actually be a fenghuang.
considering the Fenghuang is a very visually unique species, I think it's worth keeping around as a species tag..
I dunno, I've been working on this for a few hours. I'm done for now.
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I suppose it's probably better to stop using phoenix to colloquially refer to all fire and fire-themed birds. Descriptive tags are good when, as in this case, they can reduce confusion and the potential for misinterpretation. That tagging scheme will work wherever an element is manifest.
However, that still leaves the question of what to tag the obviously "element-themed" characters with no element currently manifested in the art. Those design cues should still be noted with a tag somehow.
From the examples above:
post #684850 post #1424190 post #937861 post #1566094 post #658308
They're not just avians with red_feathers + orange_feathers + yellow_feathers, and in the case of the above, feathered_crest. There's obvious design intent that goes beyond feather color.
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Anyway, I just wanted to say the proposed elemental schema is how I independently went about tagging the dragon in this post after checking my options:
elemental_dragon + storm_dragon + storm_elemental (just added)
Implications would follow the format:
[type]_[species] => [type]_elemental
[type]_[species] => elemental_[species]
so
storm_dragon => storm_elemental
storm_dragon => elemental_dragon
There's a lot of dragons that should be tagged for their element/theme but aren't, presumably because those tags weren't thought of when the posts were originally tagged and still are rare tags now.
Same logic applies to elemental birds, but the character needs to credibly represent an element. As noted offhand in the above post, not every "element" will be a core fire/water/wind/earth element (see: eeveelutions), but that's too dense to plan for at this juncture.
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abadbird said:
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I can definitely see the elemental_SPECIES happening and working quite well, granted they have base elemental implications. What might be good is to do elemental species for the base species, like elemental_avian, elemental_mammal, etc
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Oh thank god, I spent like 6 hours researching phoenixes the other day and was terrified it was for nothing.
abadbird said:
However, that still leaves the question of what to tag the obviously "element-themed" characters with no element currently manifested in the art. Those design cues should still be noted with a tag somehow.From the examples above:
post #684850 post #1424190 post #937861 post #1566094 post #658308
They're not just avians with red_feathers + orange_feathers + yellow_feathers, and in the case of the above, feathered_crest. There's obvious design intent that goes beyond feather color.
That is a really good point.
I almost wonder if, like... .... ...this is either brilliant or awful.
Probably awful.
....
Okay, we have a few tags -- stated_homosexuality and explicitly_stated_nonconsent and stated_heterosexuality (as well as technical_incest... I thought we had a stated_incest tag too, hmm)... what about.... stated_phoenix...?
No that really is awful. ... plus it opens the doors for all sorts of "but why don't we have..." complaints too.
Maybe... hmm.. where's that OTHER thread I spent like 6 hours on the other day...? (ah, over in forum #265584 ... not required reading!) (tl;dr - I advocate _(theme) to be used in a number of tags to describe less concrete ideas like futuristic, 1080's, egyptian, that are not unified under a single tag.) ...maybe something like Phoenix_(theme) or.. phoenix_(character_theme) or... I dunno.
I agree that they should be tagged.
Anyway, I just wanted to say the proposed elemental schema is how I independently went about tagging the dragon in this post after checking my options:
Neat! :D
Same logic applies to elemental birds, but the character needs to credibly represent an element. As noted offhand in the above post, not every "element" will be a core fire/water/wind/earth element (see: eeveelutions), but that's too dense to plan for at this juncture.
Yeah... when we first aliased those, we--by which I mean I--forgot about the non earth, fire, wind, water elementals. ... ice, lava, storm and nature all deserve acknowledgement too. (and I could make an arguement for nixing 'earth' in favor or rock, lava or nature... but there's always some confusing ones like what a sand elemental would be... ANYWAY!) (maybe shadow and light too, but idk)
DiceLovesBeingBlown said:
I can definitely see the elemental_SPECIES happening and working quite well, granted they have base elemental implications. What might be good is to do elemental species for the base species, like elemental_avian, elemental_mammal, etc
I might get a little more specific than 'mammal'... but... not more than basic species: Elemental_feline, perhaps. Probably a few more specific categories (canine, feline, dragon, avian.... humanoid?) and let the rest fall under the elemental_mammal or whatever elemental_kitchensink tag there is. Maybe. I'd need to study the posts more closely, TBH.
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SnowWolf said:
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I do find it a bit suspect that you suggest any alias other than disambiguation even thru you admit how ambiguous both firebird and phoenix are. Phoenix is both a name for a well known recognizable US city and a very popular marvel character and popular as a name for other fictional character names. And as you said, firebird is a series of cars that are fairly iconic.
As far as thunderbird goes, it rather unlikly to come up, but you cant ignore that there is a old tv show by the same name.
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Darou said:
I do find it a bit suspect that you suggest any alias other than disambiguation even thru you admit how ambiguous both firebird and phoenix are.
Or it could be that I'm human and occasionally make mistakes :)
However, in this case, it's a tricky proposition. disambiguation works sometimes, but othertimes, it just results in a pile of posts in the disambiguous tag itself. (there are about 5000 posts in the 5 most populated *disambig tags)...
I don't know what the best solution here is.
However..
Phoenix is both a name for a well known recognizable US city
In the event someone is fucking in front of a sign that says Phoenix, AZ... or illinois... or Louisiana... marylnd, michigan, New Jersey, New York or Oregon... or Albert, British Columbia, South Africa or.... we would probably tag the state, I'd imagine.
As it stands, we do not have any general *phoe* tags that refer to a location. Most of them seem to be artists or characters, with a few items
and a very popular marvel character
This is quite true. Two of them, actually, from what I can understand:
Jean Gray-Summers and Rachel Summers. Then there's "Phoenix Force" which seems to be also be the prior two somehow, but also appears to be life, the universe and everything. Comic books are weird, man. (not knocking them -- just they can get weird. :) I run a Star Wars RPG for some friends.. I regularly end up reading star wars wiki and MAN, there is some pretty crazy stuff in there, especially back in the 80's... It ends up being a fun game of selectively picking what bits of cannon to keep, which to modify and which to ignore. :) It's fun stuff, but weird sometimes :)
For the record....
phoenix_(marvel) has 9 posts
jean_grey has 6
jean_gray has 6 (different than the prior six. whoops)
jean_grey_(character) has 1.
rachel_summers has 1.
dark_phoenix has 3 and seesm to be peopel wearing a costume.
X-men, for the record, despite being incredibly popular, only has about 300 posts.
Most of the above phoenix-y characters are only "viable" on the website due to being in pictures with nightcrawler (with over 100 posts) or other furry-ok characters.
and popular as a name for other fictional character names.
Also very true! we do have a slew of characters named phoenix. and perhaps that is reason enough....
And as you said, firebird is a series of cars that are fairly iconic.
Also true. but as iconic as it is, images of pontiac_firebirds that also are also furry-appropriate for this website are few and far between. There've been 5 ever uploaded to the website.
The most recent one was done with MSpaint and deleted. Of the remaining 4... 2 would not be approved, if submitted today. I imagine that most people would see the error of "elemental_avian" and realize "oh, that's the wrong tag" and fix it.
I'm not gonna look at every single firebird picture -- but on a quick skim through (keeping in mind I did a rather deep dive into the tag a few weeks ago...) I'm not seeing any mistagged cars... just a lot of birds.
As far as thunderbird goes, it rather unlikly to come up, but you cant ignore that there is a old tv show by the same name.
Indeed, I can't. I *DID* mention it in my original post, you know?
I remember watching it on .... scifi channel I think? I want to say it came on between two shows I liked more. (or maybe it was just before ewoks and droids? Hmmm...)
Regardless:
thunderbird -- singular-- has 15 posts (now that I've moved some TAS character out of the tag...)
thunder_bird --stilll singular-- has 2 posts. one of which seems to be a storm_avian and the other... is a flash game. ... oh it's doodle god, so probably the bird, not the tv show.
There are no other *thund*bir* tags except for a character
The TV show is certainly iconic (though from what I understand, the 2004 film was awful, and the 2015 TV ... well, it's still airing, so that's a decent sign.) it's still not ... well, non-human, generally. and while someone could draw furry fanart of the characters, it doesnt' change the fact that, by and large, no one has, and uploaded it here.
So, I guess... to try and pull this to a conclusion... - we could disambiguate, but I'm not sure it'd help. Most of the time phoenix/firebird is tagged, it's to tag a flaming bird, or fire-like-birb. (there are about 2000 phoenix/firebird posts) .. there are a lot of *phoenix* characters, but most of them have extended names like Fara_phoenix, or flare_phoenix or paul_phoenix rather than phoenix_(amai_kitsune) and phoenix_(totem).
The problem is, again, I'm not sure that disambiguating would be helpful here. I'm clicking randomly and...
Nah, I'm procrstinating, I'll actually go through these..
I'm leaving out characters who's owner's names involve "phoenix".. they don't count.
| # | tag | species | bird? |
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| 203 | fara_phoenix | Fox, from Star Fox. | |
| 44 | phoenixe_(character) | black cat | |
| 39 | phoenix_wright | Human--errr.. yeah. Whatever species the fan art's in | |
| 31 | icarus_the_phoenix | Birb. Seems to be a DOTA character called "phoenix" | Y |
| 28 | flare_phoenix | black and purple dragon | |
| 16 | phoenix-d | deer-shark thing. | |
| 12 | great_phoenix | looks like an OC Hawlucha | Y |
| 11 | apollophoenix | Otter/Raccoon hybrid? | |
| 10 | phoenixdramon_(eradragon) | digimon OC. TBH, I don't know which character is which in this, but it's a digimon OC. | Kinda? |
| 10 | phoenix_(totem) | This would be better tagged as phoenix_(wod) | Y |
| 9 | phoenix_(hi_no_tori) | A character from Hi no Tori, as discussed above. BIrd | Y |
| 9 | phoenix_(marvel) | Marvel character, as discussed above. Human. | |
| 8 | amadeus_phoenix | Canine -- probably a fox of some nature | |
| 7 | kat_phoenix | Canine--maybe feline hybrid | |
| 4 | fphoenix | 3 posts: 1 red rabbit, 1 dragony thing, 1 pair of asses (gray, purple). o_o | |
| 4 | rarockthephoenix | Either a skunk or a winged canine feline... thing | |
| 3 | dark_phoenix | a costume for the Marvel character. | |
| 3 | phoenix_(charizardlover97) | a charizard | |
| 3 | phoenix_(strikersa) | Collie or some other canine | |
| 3 | feha_de_phoenix | Fox | |
| 3 | paul_phoenix | Oh I guess this is a street fighter character or something. | |
| 3 | phoenix_(bloodravenx) | canine | |
| 3 | sapphire_phoenix_(character) | dragon | |
| 3 | phoenix_rose | cat | |
| 3 | larry_the_phoenix_(character) | Actually a bird | Y |
Okay I'm bored. Every other entry has fewer than 3 entries. Two or less. there are about 45 of them.
Okay, So I went through a buncha these random characters and almost all of them are non-birds. Like... a Dota character, a pokemon OC and a legit bird-on-fire that probably doesn't need a character tag of it's own...
so... any mistagged phoenixs will prooooobably be pretty obvious.
NOt that that is an excuse to not do a disambiguous...
Just... I feel like it would cause more irritation than help. There are dozens of characters with "wolf" as part of their name. (*pauses, looks at the camera*) ... like. literally 32 pages of char:*wolf* ... but we haven't disambiguated wolf. There are about as many species:*wolf* as there are char:*phoen* .. .there are 25 pages are *wolf* artists... Yet we trust that if someone tags 'wolf'... they meant to tag wolf-the-animal, not wolf-the-snow-leopard (*pauses, stares into the camera again.*)
But okay, I've procrastinated long enough. A disambig's totally an option. I just don't think it's the right choice.
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