If creepy sexual comments are highly discouraged here, how tolerable are jokes about flatulence, urination, and stool matter even on posts that have tags as such?

AlexYorim said:
If creepy sexual comments are highly discouraged here, how tolerable are jokes about flatulence, urination, and stool matter even on posts that have tags as such?

My rule of thumb: If you wouldn't say it in an art museum, don't put it in the comments.

ikdind said:
My rule of thumb: If you wouldn't say it in an art museum, don't put it in the comments.

That's a bit hard to abide by given the kind of content here. Maybe for Safe-rated posts, but when it comes to Questionable and Explicit, it would be difficult to comment when the picture is focused on dog and horse junk, humongous tits, interspecies gang-bangs, innumerable -philias, and fetishes you didn't even think were possible to have (and you now do, thanks).

A more general rule of thumb is to avoid self-insertion (talking about yourself being in the image, wanting to do things to/with characters in the image, etc), and avoid unnecessary gratuitous detail.

Watsit said:
A more general rule of thumb is to avoid self-insertion (talking about yourself being in the image, wanting to do things to/with characters in the image, etc), and avoid unnecessary gratuitous detail.

Yes, those are guidelines specifically offered in the rules. Some people find those guidelines confusing, however, because they imagine themselves making comments on the border of some fine line specified in those rules, after being filled to bursting with a desire to express their sexual gratification or inclination towards an image.

I feel that the art museum analogy is apt, because the admins don't see e621 as a porn-booru, and because the rule specifically says it's intended to suppress fetishist outbursts for the benefit of those who do not share them.

But I suppose another way to view it would be: Is this TMI? Then don't comment it.

It's just that the analogy of being in-person at an art museum seems to click for most who don't otherwise understand the rules. And maybe that's more conservative than the rules strictly require, it's up to the admins to decide case-by-case specifics. But I'm not going to lie: I consider conservative here to be a good thing. You're less likely to get dinged when you make a mistake at a higher standard.

Comments that are designed to make people laugh are more welcome than comments designed to make people uncomfortable. Who'd a thunk it?

It's really disturbing how many people get confused by basic etiquette. It seems like they think just because something is sexual in nature, it means they have the right to throw any kind of inhibition out the window. Seems to me to be an indicator of virginity, because they did this with a RL partner, they would be quickly pushed out the door.

LoneWolf343 said:
Comments that are designed to make people laugh are more welcome than comments designed to make people uncomfortable. Who'd a thunk it?

It's really disturbing how many people get confused by basic etiquette.

Etiquette, what counts as TMI, and what does or doesn't make people uncomfortable depends entirely on the group being interacted with. On a site where a large portion of artwork being archived/discussed is of a very raunchy nature, even artwork made by artists who like receiving "creepy" comments as feedback, I don't find it unreasonable that some people have difficulty understanding where the line is. It doesn't help when they're also given overly extreme guidance like "would you say it to your family?" or "would you say it in a museum?", as if the comments need to be kid-friendly SFW on a very NSFW image.

To be clear, I don't have much of a problem with the No Creepy Comments rule as I understand it (though it might be nice to have marked exceptions where the rule is a bit looser, since there are artists that like to receive "creepy" comments as feedback on their art), but at the same time I can't begrudge people who don't understand where that line is on a site like this.

Piss Christ ;)

Watsit said:
On a site where a large portion of artwork being archived/discussed is of a very raunchy nature, even artwork made by artists who like receiving "creepy" comments as feedback, I don't find it unreasonable that some people have difficulty understanding where the line is.

And honestly, I think part of the problem is the general immaturity of the audience. I envision some of them walking through a collection of classical Renaissance artwork, arriving at The Birth of Venus, and blurting out, "I came!"

But honestly, is it socially acceptable at strip clubs to announce to the room, at any point, how badly you want to rub your <insert genitalia or orifice> against the dancer's <insert random body part>? Or, insert something scatologically appropriate to this thread.

I guess that constitutes a genuine gap in my social education, that would seem useful in calibrating my expectations for normal public behavior. Because I've always assumed people simply drank, tossed money onto the stage, tried to avoid passing out when a piece of lingerie landed on them, and otherwise indulged in general-purpose catcalls, whistles, and cheers. And that people who went beyond that or were caught creating sticky residues would get tossed out and told not to bother coming back.

ikdind said:
And honestly, I think part of the problem is the general immaturity of the audience. I envision some of them walking through a collection of classical Renaissance artwork, arriving at The Birth of Venus, and blurting out, "I came!"

But honestly, is it socially acceptable at strip clubs to announce to the room, at any point, how badly you want to rub your <insert genitalia or orifice> against the dancer's <insert random body part>?

Difference is, e6 isn't a classical renaissance artwork museum, or a strip club. It's a place where people share and talk about art that can range from the classics, to hyper-realistic renderings of animal butts, unabashed bestiality, and young'uns. And for some artists, they're perfectly fine knowing and even welcome being told their viewers get off to artwork they made, or how badly someone wants to <X> the <Y> in the picture, because it means they did their job well in making something that people could appreciate in that way.

No, not everyone wants to know that kind of thing, and that's fair enough. This site has rules in place to accommodate as many people as it realistically can given its targeting both SFW and very NSFW crowds at the same time, and like I mentioned before, I'm more or less fine with the rule as I understand it. But when people get conflicting messages, that it's okay to post pictures featuring hardcore rape, hyper cocks and humongous breasts, bestiality, and young people, but be told they shouldn't ever say anything they wouldn't say in a random public venue, I can't blame them for being confused. It doesn't help either when they see someone else making a "creepy" comment and not knowing the user got reprimanded for it (or not knowing that other comment would be worth a reprimand but it was never reported), making it seem that was okay.

ikdind said:
I guess that constitutes a genuine gap in my social education, that would seem useful in calibrating my expectations for normal public behavior.

If by "normal public behavior" you mean "behavior on a website where it's common to share and talk about hardcore furry fetish porn". Acceptable social behavior depends on the place you're being social in. I wouldn't walk up to someone in an art museum and start talking about the modern understanding of nutrition science, because that's not what that place is about, while if I go to a science convention and find an sub-area relating to nutrition, it would be far more acceptable to bring it up.

Similarly, if I go to a random public fine-art museum, no, they're not going to want to hear me talk about the kind of stuff I find sexually arousing. But if I go to an art site that has a sizeable portion dedicated to showing off sexually-explicit fetish porn, and I'm commenting on a piece of said sexually-explicit fetish porn, you should be able to see how there would be a different perception of what's acceptable to bring up.

Again though, just so I'm clear, yes this site has rules and people should be expected to abide by them. It's completely fair that people get warned when they break the rules, and even banned for consistently breaking them. I just don't agree with the characterization that people who don't immediately understand what kinds of comments are over the line in terms of creepiness here (and why) are some kind of socially-inept perverts that would all the same walk up to strangers on a public street and blurt out what the last picture is that they came to.

Watsit said:
Acceptable social behavior depends on the place you're being social in.

Well, but there we have it. Let's choose an even racier example than a strip club. Let's say I'm standing at the bar of some brothel outside Las Vegas County, Nevada. Is it then socially acceptable to call out to the room and state my personal desire to sate some fetish with any particular lady of the evening?

Now, I honestly have no practical notion, as you can imagine that if I've never been to a strip club then I've most certainly never visited a brothel. So maybe that is normal, acceptable behavior in that context. But to be sure, that wouldn't be my expectation. My first blush response would be "fuck no, that's creepy as shit, dude."

But I realize that with the focus on fetishist announcements, we've probably gotten somewhat off topic from what OP is asking. They want to know about jokes, and we're steadily beating on a different horse.

To the extent that all this discussion is applicable, I suppose scatological humor risks presenting itself as a fetishist outburst.

You fire your shot, you take your chances. ‾\_(ツ)_/‾

ikdind said:
Well, but there we have it. Let's choose an even racier example than a strip club. Let's say I'm standing at the bar of some brothel outside Las Vegas County, Nevada. Is it then socially acceptable to call out to the room and state my personal desire to sate some fetish with any particular lady of the evening?

Like you, I've never been to a strip club, let along a brothel, so I couldn't say about your scenario. But it's not really analogous to the situation here since you're not blurting something like that out of nowhere to everyone in earshot. Here, it's more like you're in a room with like-minded people looking at a particular picture of a fetish or fetishes that you presumably have a shared appreciation for. So it would be expected to have conversations relating to that fetish, and other people (possibly including the artist of said picture) have said they're fine hearing about what you do or want to do because of the picture. Yes, this site has rules that apply regardless of what some people and artists are fine with, and people should abide by them, but the idea of it being acceptable in situations like this doesn't just come from nowhere.

poop
lol

While I likely wouldn't use toilet humor myself, who is it offending? The toilet? Until toilets become sentient and use this site, I'd say it's okay. Perhaps a bit low class, but okay.

ikdind said:
But I realize that with the focus on fetishist announcements, we've probably gotten somewhat off topic from what OP is asking. They want to know about jokes, and we're steadily beating on a different horse.

True, at least I now have a clear answer.

ohhshidd said:
poop
lol

I chuckled a bit.

PheagleAdler said:
While I likely wouldn't use toilet humor myself, who is it offending? The toilet? Until toilets become sentient and use this site, I'd say it's okay. Perhaps a bit low class, but okay.

True. Toilet jokes are best for more, or less, appropriate areas. Like the bathroom.

watsit said:
That's a bit hard to abide by given the kind of content here. Maybe for Safe-rated posts, but when it comes to Questionable and Explicit, it would be difficult to comment when the picture is focused on dog and horse junk, humongous tits, interspecies gang-bangs, innumerable -philias, and fetishes you didn't even think were possible to have (and you now do, thanks).

A more general rule of thumb is to avoid self-insertion (talking about yourself being in the image, wanting to do things to/with characters in the image, etc), and avoid unnecessary gratuitous detail.

So, basically, to ultra-condense it, "If it sounds like something Jay from the View Askew movies would say, you probably shouldn't comment it"?

Many people are under the assumption that etiquette, incivility, and morality are all static objective things. In reality, they are very subjective. Despite popular belief, It is not apparently obvious what is considered offensive or not by a certain community or culture, especially if you come from a culture that isn't as sheltered from vulgarism as the rest of the world.

That is why rules more complex than "Don't be a dick" are necessary, and that even in the best case scenario they will not always be enforced evenly and objectively.