so i recently got a neutral record for making a supposedly creepy comment, i assume meaning i broke the "Creepy Comments" rule from what it says. I already asked the admin who gave me the record what was up with that decision and haven't gotten a reply yet so i figured I'd try to get an explanation here. I assume you can view the record. I just commented on a post with a dick-girl after i got off to it because i thought it was funny that i didn't notice the tits until after. "i got off to this only because I mistook the dick-girl for a femboy" the comment said.
I don't see how it is creepy to say i am blind enough to miss a big pair of tits or how that can "...cause an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease, or [is] sexually inappropriate" (as the wiki says in the description of the rule)

just kinda want to figure this out, is there something to the rule i missed or does the second part of the rule's description (i'm referring to the part that says "This is intended to ensure that users do not express their personal fetishes/desires publicly... ect ect") overrule the first part?

I hope i used the right category, i couldn't be sure what this category's name means.

You're explicitly talking about how you've masturbated to that pic.

While it is understandable that it was not your objective to tell people "Hey! I fapped to this!", you still did it and very few people that come here would like to know that

The creepy part isn't that you missed the breasts, the creepy part is where you said "I got off to this".

It is considered inappropriate to talk about your, shall we say, self-ministrations in response to a picture.

Basically you aren't allowed to announce what you get off to, or talk about your sexual fantasies in any detail, or roleplay with another commenter, or right a smutty self-insert story based on the picture. We all gotta pretend we're here for the art... or something. You can however have creepy sexual avatars and be a creepy weirdo in your user profile.
Also your comment isn't very ironic from a viewers perspective. Imagine if someone stumbled across this site by accident and commented "i got off to this only because i didn't notice the furry character". Not much of a joke is it? Actually, scratch that, that would be hilarious... Anyways, you can't announce what you get off to.

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There's a fine line between making jokes and being creepy, a good rule of thumb is to see whether it could be taken literally or be seen as TMI (too much information) by others.

Your comment didn't seem to be a joke at first glance (or at all). That's why it got reported for being creepy.

What everyone else said. This is pretty cut and dry.

oh and you used wrong category. that category is for tag and wiki related stuff. this thread has nothing to do with tags and wikipages

Trebe_No-Raa said:
I hope i used the right category, i couldn't be sure what this category's name means.

Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions is exactly what it says it is. It’s for projects relating to tags and the wiki, and questions about tags and wiki pages. If you don’t know what to pick, just choose General or Off Topic! :)

Because most artists don't really like reading stuff like that on or about their works. As an artist told me, they rather read a swath of insightful criticism and positive feedback, than a bunch of redundant comments with "so hot" and other sexual banter. "It's art, and in some instances, should be treated as such."

Now some artist, on the other hand, don't care about it that much. But some do, and it's highly understandable. You've spent hours making something that requires much skill and patience. Then upload to the net, all to receive a slew of sexual fantasies and one-liner comments with "so sexy" and "hot." That is shitty.

MrKranberryJam69 said:
Because most artists don't really like reading stuff like that on or about their works. As an artist told me, they rather read a swath of insightful criticism and positive feedback, than a bunch of redundant comments with "so hot" and other sexual banter. "It's art, and in some instances, should be treated as such."

Now some artist, on the other hand, don't care about it that much. But some do, and it's highly understandable. You've spent hours making something that requires much skill and patience. Then upload to the net, all to receive a slew of sexual fantasies and one-liner comments with "so sexy" and "hot." That is shitty.

It's also that we don't want to read about it.

We used to have a big problem with people talking at length about what they want to do to various characters. It was ... gross and uncomfortable.

I believe this dude inspired the rule.

SnowWolf said:
It's also that we don't want to read about it.

We used to have a big problem with people talking at length about what they want to do to various characters. It was ... gross and uncomfortable.

I believe this dude inspired the rule.

Wow, almost not a single non-creepy comment. That takes real effort and/or a lack of thought.

MissChu said:
Wow, almost not a single non-creepy comment. That takes real effort and/or a lack of thought.

Oh yeah. Brrbrrdrrs definitely has been immortalized in records and lore.

SnowWolf said:
It's also that we don't want to read about it.

We used to have a big problem with people talking at length about what they want to do to various characters. It was ... gross and uncomfortable.

I believe this dude inspired the rule.

And people wonder why most artists refrain from posting their art on certain sites. But that's a good example though.

MissChu said:
Wow, almost not a single non-creepy comment. That takes real effort and/or a lack of thought.

hahaha, it gets better -- he ban evaded repeatedly. Every week or so for a while, we'd suddenly see a slew of barbadosian comments and a few minutes later, he'd be banned again.

I am actually pretty sure that he got off, to some degree, with his commenting. He was very.... regular in his fits of activity.

It was pretty admirable dedication, honestly.

SnowWolf said:
hahaha, it gets better -- he ban evaded repeatedly. Every week or so for a while, we'd suddenly see a slew of barbadosian comments and a few minutes later, he'd be banned again.

I am actually pretty sure that he got off, to some degree, with his commenting. He was very.... regular in his fits of activity.

It was pretty admirable dedication, honestly.

I think I remember that, I semi-regularly check the records page. We've got a few serial offenders that pop up now and then.

MissChu said:
I think I remember that, I semi-regularly check the records page. We've got a few serial offenders that pop up now and then.

Did the guilmon guy (pepper I think?) ever finally give up?

Thirtyeight said:
Did the guilmon guy (pepper I think?) ever finally give up?

We haven't heard from that guy in a while, maybe he's finally on medication.

This is once again one of those things that if you just look at it on surface, you'll think "why the fuck does site containing bunch of lewd not allow talking lewd?" but then you have to remember that this isn't site for porn only and there are actually more than selected users using this site, including artists and guest viewers, so it's simply much nicer to keep the place viewable for all everyone with extremely small effort than it is to constantly see flames going up.

SnowWolf said:
It's also that we don't want to read about it.

We used to have a big problem with people talking at length about what they want to do to various characters. It was ... gross and uncomfortable.

I believe this dude inspired the rule.

yknow I looked at his user page in your description and ironically the only comment he has that was liked by anyone was one where he said “can I fuck Pumba from the Lion King?”

HeroTaylor said:
yknow I looked at his user page in your description and ironically the only comment he has that was liked by anyone was one where he said “can I fuck Pumba from the Lion King?”

He has an upvote for I want her, I don't care how fat she is, I want her bad. Fat girls need love too.

I also have a soft spot for If those two weren't lesbians, I'd let those two ride my cock for sex but you can't force anyone to change.

But yeah, mostly? every single one of his comments across all of his accounts were like that, haha.

HeroTaylor said:
yknow I looked at his user page in your description and ironically the only comment he has that was liked by anyone was one where he said “can I fuck Pumba from the Lion King?”

You can order comments by score, and if you do so you can see that he's actually got quite a few positively rated comments:

https://e621.net/comment/search?query=&results=fuzzy&user=Barbados&date_start=&date_end=&post_id=&status=any&order=score

I find it funny how they spend their days cracking down on "creepy" comments meanwhile it takes 673 years to get an alias or implication approved.

Dyrone said:
I find it funny how they spend their days cracking down on "creepy" comments meanwhile it takes 673 years to get an alias or implication approved.

Creepy is user policed mostly, other users report them, it goes to a box they check or whatever

Dyrone said:
I find it funny how they spend their days cracking down on "creepy" comments meanwhile it takes 673 years to get an alias or implication approved.

Actually, most of the creepy comments that we see are reported by other users. We don't police all the comments on every post.

So there goes that sentiment.

No to mention, creepy comment policing is basically "Look at report, view comment, view comment thread, determine creepiness."

Aliases and implications are "look at alias/implication, read forum thread, look at all involved tags, determine if alias/implication is valid, determine if anything will get fucked up, try to future proof the system, so that in 5 years, people arne't hating the work you're doing right now. Clean up any stray posts that need cleaning up, undo any interfering aliases or implications, then finally approve the implication and hope that you didn't overlook something, and if you did, that it's not too bad to fix and that you find it quickly if so.

It ain't just "shucks, that looks fine."

Speaking of aliases, I wonder who was the one that approved fox_on_top to fox_mccloud.
Apparently, the tag was meant to be a "joke" (I don't get it) based on forum history.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Actually, most of the creepy comments that we see are reported by other users. We don't police all the comments on every post.

So there goes that sentiment.

I only report comments that contain threats and other serious sorts of the like. It's understandable how creepy comments are bad thing and annoying at times. But most of them are not even worth getting upset over.

Like with every other one, you have a lot of competition going around in this... I guess... growing community. If you notice, the more popular and higher resolution art, will always have the weirdest comments; be it here or elsewhere(mainly Rule 34). But it cannot be stated the percentage of rival artist verses fans/admirers of the art. Could it all be competitive slander/bruising the fruit of the artist's efforts, or someone who needs to find a new hobby? The answer is void; because, it's all assumption. Nevertheless, house rules keep the house clean and tidy, unlike a certain Rule 34.

Cane751 said:
Speaking of aliases, I wonder who was the one that approved fox_on_top to fox_mccloud.
Apparently, the tag was meant to be a "joke" (I don't get it) based on forum history.

We generally don't allow for 'joke tags' -- that is, tags that are intended to be jokes, not tags that are indicating the presence of a specific type of joke or meme.. a tag denoting "Character X is topping" is not really funny, besides c_c Nor is that an appropriate use for a tag.

That would be better suited for a set.

MrKranberryJam69 said:
I only report comments that contain threats and other serious sorts of the like. It's understandable how creepy comments are bad thing and annoying at times. But most of them are not even worth getting upset over.

To you. Everyone has a different experience. If people are reporting comments, it's generally because they find it bothersome.

SnowWolf said:
We generally don't allow for 'joke tags' -- that is, tags that are intended to be jokes, not tags that are indicating the presence of a specific type of joke or meme.. a tag denoting "Character X is topping" is not really funny, besides c_c Nor is that an appropriate use for a tag.

That would be better suited for a set.

I wish I caught wind of it earlier, I would've removed the tag from the start.

SnowWolf said:

To you. Everyone has a different experience. If people are reporting comments, it's generally because they find it bothersome.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not for it. But it is absurd for one to get their jimmies in a tizzy over an explicit sentence of nonsense typed by an obvious child. Kids say and write the damnedest things, yet don't know what the hell it all means. ;D

MrKranberryJam69 said:
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not for it. But it is absurd for one to get their jimmies in a tizzy over an explicit sentence of nonsense typed by an obvious child. Kids say and write the damnedest things, yet don't know what the hell it all means. ;D

Okay, so a bit of backstory sir. I've been here for a while. Specifically since 2010. I'm not exactly positive when "don't be creepy" was written into the rules, but when I search the user records for "creepy," I *know* I reported the 12th person to be scolded for being creepy. I know we started *enforcing* the rule more after that point.

For fun, let's look at the reasons WHY the previous 12 got scolded for being creepy.

Sorry. I feel gross too.
Okay, now go wash your hands for a bit. Maybe hug your dog and look through something pretty. I like amazing_background.

There are two aspects to this... one... I know there are people out there who specifically blacklist, say, "rape"... and there are/were people who will comment things about how much they want to murder the guy so he can have the girl. Whoa. Or Mister "pee up her butt" mentioned above, who doesn't care what the tags are, but is going to share his kinks with you anyway.

That's not okay. and while you and I might think "well, it's just words, no big deal" ... please remember, not everyone has lived the life you have. Some people find that stuff *really* upsetting. and it's not our place to say that someone else is exaggerating or lying when they say they find something upsetting.

Two... Even if you say "well, don't allow the super creepy stuff"... Where do you draw the line y'know? It's hard to, and it's a slippery slippery slope. So, like with many things, it's easiest to say "No creepy comments' and "no roleplay" and handle things as they come up rather than try to verbalize some... insubstantial vague line in the sand that no one's really clear on. We still get 'creepy comments'... but they tend to be.. .ahem... much more mild and the commenting environment tends to be much more pleasant as a result.

If you let people be kids, then they'll act like kids. If you expect them to act like adult.. well, they'll act like adults.. . OR...

THey'll bitch, throw a fit over a warning and end up getting themselves banned because they get so enraged at not being able to talk about how much they wanna yiff the fox that they end up taking regretable actions. Their loss, not ours.

MrKranberryJam69 said:
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not for it. But it is absurd for one to get their jimmies in a tizzy over an explicit sentence of nonsense typed by an obvious child. Kids say and write the damnedest things, yet don't know what the hell it all means. ;D

Except in many cases, it's adults typing like they're little kids. People can easily enjoy art without having to announce it (in explicit detail) to everyone else.

Say, is it ok for someone to make a forum post about "perving/creeping out to yiff pics?" I know some people like to see lewd comments and stories, and I figured, "why not a thread where people can do that!"

looking_glass said:
Say, is it ok for someone to make a forum post about "perving/creeping out to yiff pics?" I know some people like to see lewd comments and stories, and I figured, "why not a thread where people can do that!"

no

MissChu said:
Except in many cases, it's adults typing like they're little kids. People can easily enjoy art without having to announce it (in explicit detail) to everyone else.

Sometimes I wonder why (besides "whoring for attention") they'd even want us to know what gets them off. And if they don't want us to know then why make it public at all?

BlueDingo said:
Sometimes I wonder why (besides "whoring for attention") they'd even want us to know what gets them off. And if they don't want us to know then why make it public at all?

Anonymity on the internet, usually. Here they can be free of social inhibitions and show off just how creepy they can get when they think they can get away with it (which they can't, thank you Ratte and other admins).

MissChu said:
Anonymity on the internet, usually. Here they can be free of social inhibitions and show off just how creepy they can get when they think they can get away with it (which they can't, thank you Ratte and other admins).

At our expense? Huh, never thought of it as a consent issue. I hereby do not consent.

BlueDingo said:
Sometimes I wonder why (besides "whoring for attention") they'd even want us to know what gets them off. And if they don't want us to know then why make it public at all?

It's literally a fetish. it's a form of exhibitionism. I can think of one person who was very obviously using comments as a masturbatory aid. He'd comment about 30 times in about 40 minutes, then nothing for 2-3 days.

it's like... dirty talking, too, I think. :/

CCoyote said:
At our expense? Huh, never thought of it as a consent issue. I hereby do not consent.

basically this. this is why creepy comments are bad.

Why necro a thread for this if we already have another thread about creepy comments currently on the forum?