Topic: erection_under_clothes should NOT imply penis, but it does

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Currently, erection_under_clothes implies erection, and erection implies penis which means we have pages and pages of posts where a penis is not visible but it is impossible to remove the penis tag.

erection_under_clothes -penis should show hundreds of results. Right now, it shows none. Additionally, now, there are hundreds of posts tagged penis -rating:e which is another symptom of the issue.

I'm not sure when this change was made, but it definitely needs to be reverted.

Same should probably apply to unwanted_erection. It implies erection which also implies penis, but an unwanted erection isn't necessarily always visible, it could easily be a stiffy still covered by clothing.

Updated by Genjar

RabbitHive said:
Currently, erection_under_clothes implies erection, and erection implies penis which means we have pages and pages of posts where a penis is not visible but it is impossible to remove the penis tag.

erection_under_clothes -penis should show hundreds of results. Right now, it shows none. Additionally, now, there are hundreds of posts tagged penis -rating:e which is another symptom of the issue.

I'm not sure when this change was made, but it definitely needs to be reverted.

Same should probably apply to unwanted_erection. It implies erection which also implies penis, but an unwanted erection isn't necessarily always visible, it could easily be a stiffy still covered by clothing.

if someone rated an erection as anything but explicit than they messed up. even if it's hidden by clothing it's still an explicit.

Updated by anonymous

I'm not going to take more than a surface-level glance at this, but breasts still get tagged when they're under clothing, so I'm not seeing the problem with erection_under_clothes.

Updated by anonymous

Versperus said:
if someone rated an erection as anything but explicit than they messed up. even if it's hidden by clothing it's still an explicit.

I disagree:

post #1665838

This post is an example of an erection that probably doesn't need to be rated explicit (as you can't see the penis_outline), but that's not even the point.

MagnusEffect said:
breasts still get tagged when they're under clothing, so I'm not seeing the problem with erection_under_clothes.

The whole point of erection_under_clothes is for erections with penises that are not visible as a result of clothing, so it should not cause an implication chain that tags penis anyway.

Updated by anonymous

MagnusEffect said:
I'm not going to take more than a surface-level glance at this, but breasts still get tagged when they're under clothing, so I'm not seeing the problem with erection_under_clothes.

that is different. generally, things are not tagged at all unless they are actually visible in image. breasts are an exception for the reason that if someone blacklists breasts, they probably want stuff like this
post #1758998
not show up in their search results. so it will be tagged as breasts despite of being fully clothed. especially since we do not have any separate tag for cloth covered breasts that could be blacklisted (we do have such tags for cloth covered genitalia)

Updated by anonymous

Yeah, I can see that point.
Though instances where the penis isn't directly visible seem few and far between.

This implication seems to have a weird history though. I found a thread from two years back where you posted that this was de-implicated.
Then I found the thread from three years ago when Parasprite apparently de-implicated it.
Then I found Chaser's thread from 2017 where it was re-implicated, but clearly labeled "[BAD IDEA]"

I can't tell if that one was a joke that just never got flipped back because low-interest forum threads (i.e. 99% of threads I've seen about tagging in any form) die if they haven't had a reply in the last few hours.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

Yeah, that's why erection didn't imply penis. But looks like the old implication got approved by Chaser couple of days ago.

And with 450000+ posts, I don't see how that can be fixed even if it gets unimplicated. There's no way anyone will ever sort through that many posts. So I guess we're now tagging penis even if it's not visible.

Updated by anonymous

FUCK

This is why I don't like doing aliases/implication processing. I know for a fact I checked it and went to uncheck it but I must have missed the check box.
I've deleted the implication(or will shortly after this reply), and am going to try and un-fuck things.
Sorry!

Updated by anonymous

Honestly, after going through an entire page of erection_under_clothes penis and removing it where it doesn't belong, it just seems like a lost cause because only 11 of 156 posts actually had the tag removed.
Unless we make a tagging project to clean up the entirety of the mess(not just my mistake, but all the invalidly tagged entries), going through each one of these posts and removing the penis tag, if it is only going to work 7% of the time, when it takes 30 minutes a page, isn't really worth it.

By mess, I mean posts that shouldn't have penis were already tagged with penis AND have other penis related implications such as humanoid_penis and animal_penis.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

It's not just erection_under_clothes -> penis.
Whole lot of other posts also had the erection tag but no visible penis. See penis_outline erection, and tenting erection for example.

There's also now 1000+ posts under penis rating:q and even some in penis rating:s (Edit: fixed the latter).

Then there's everything that was tagged as erection but had no other related tags. Pretty much the only way to find those would be to check all penis posts manually. But with 450000+ posts, that's not really feasible.

Updated by anonymous

I'll see if I can get a copy of pre/post tags and revert them programmically.
Technically would probably be possible with database compare.

Updated by anonymous

Genjar

Former Staff

I'd guess the answer was not possible, since everything is still messed up? Looks like someone will have clean those manually. :/

Updated by anonymous

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