Implicating voluptuous → curvy_figure
Link to implication

Reason:

a character with a voluptuous figure fulfills the tag criteria listed in the description for curvy_figure

also suggesting implications for:
voluptuous → big_breasts
voluptuous → wide_hips

the tags big_breasts and wide_hips are what qualifies a character as voluptuous.

arent these essentially same thing

Ruikuli said:
arent these essentially same thing

voluptuous = big curves, curvy_figure is curves >= hourglass_figure. as voluptuous characters shouldn't ever be tagged as having an hourglass_figure, where both hips and breasts are sizeable but at least one of the two wouldn't commonly be tagged big/wide, they aren't synonymous but an implication would be good

Pooling together all these related forum discussions here:

forum #189069 - Tag Alias: curvaceous -> voluptuous
forum #271280 - Tag Implication: curvaceous -> voluptuous
forum #271285 - Tag Implication: hourglass_figure -> curvy_figure
forum #271284 - Tag Implication: voluptuous -> curvy_figure
New Tags Discussion, page 19 - Discussion on the usage of hourglass_figure, curvaceous, and voluptuous

sneezer22 said:

voluptuous = big curves, curvy_figure is curves >= hourglass_figure. as voluptuous characters shouldn't ever be tagged as having an hourglass_figure, where both hips and breasts are sizeable but at least one of the two wouldn't commonly be tagged big/wide, they aren't synonymous but an implication would be good

+1, it would be a good idea to have curvy_figure as a catch-all for 'characters with curvy body forms'.

I also noticed in the wiki description for curvy_figure an entry for 'Voluptuous++'. Should there be a tag for this or would it be redundant? Personally, I can see use in a tag like hyper_voluptuous: for voluptuous characters with hyper_breasts plus huge_hips/hyper_hips or huge_thighs/hyper_thighs. Basically, voluptuous taken to the extreme in terms of body proportions, but still noticeably voluptuous.

D.D.M. said:
Pooling together all these related forum discussions here:

+1, it would be a good idea to have curvy_figure as a catch-all for 'characters with curvy body forms'.

I also noticed in the wiki description for curvy_figure an entry for 'Voluptuous++'. Should there be a tag for this or would it be redundant? Personally, I can see use in a tag like hyper_voluptuous: for voluptuous characters with hyper_breasts plus huge_hips/hyper_hips or huge_thighs/hyper_thighs. Basically, voluptuous taken to the extreme in terms of body proportions, but still noticeably voluptuous.

not sure bout redundant but at a certain point it can get ridiculous. thought about making a 5th+ row while going through pics to use as examples but as curves get bigger it seems to get harder for them to stay in the form of "curves" and not just huge body parts: hips, breasts, belly. stopping where I did seemed reasonable.

on a different note maybe it would be appropriate to make an unrelated tag in the hyper category. something like "ridiculously_hyper" for when hyper doesn't quite get the point across anymore:

post #1313618 post #1216711 post #1428045

probably applies here too:

post #1329603 post #1659289 post #1611139

Description would be something like "When a character's hyper attributes dwarf their body in size."

Tag test: pick the character's largest hyper body part. If it was hollow, a non hyper character their size should be able to fit inside it comfortably, preferably in a standing/lying position.

sneezer22 said:

on a different note maybe it would be appropriate to make an unrelated tag in the hyper category. something like "ridiculously_hyper" for when hyper doesn't quite get the point across anymore:

post #1313618 post #1216711 post #1428045

probably applies here too:

post #1329603 post #1659289 post #1611139

Description would be something like "When a character's hyper attributes dwarf their body in size."

Tag test: pick the character's largest hyper body part. If it was hollow, a non hyper character their size should be able to fit inside it comfortably, preferably in a standing/lying position.

I see there's currently extreme_hyper with a single post tagged with it, but that can be easily changed if ridiculously_hyper or some other tag is preferred. But regardless, I agree a tag for such characters with extremely hyper traits would be useful.

sneezer22 said:

not sure bout redundant but at a certain point it can get ridiculous. thought about making a 5th+ row while going through pics to use as examples but as curves get bigger it seems to get harder for them to stay in the form of "curves" and not just huge body parts: hips, breasts, belly. stopping where I did seemed reasonable.

Perhaps, but I kind of feel that a hyper_voluptuous tag could be useful for categorizing 'voluptuous characters with hyper traits'. And overall the system doesn't seem all that bad, with curvy_figure encompassing hourglass_figure, curvaceous, and voluptuous. It doesn't seem too different from the size difference system used for body parts (small_penis, big_breasts, huge_butt, hyper_penis, etc.).

D.D.M. said:
I see there's currently extreme_hyper with a single post tagged with it, but that can be easily changed if ridiculously_hyper or some other tag is preferred. But regardless, I agree a tag for such characters with extremely hyper traits would be useful.

Perhaps, but I kind of feel that a hyper_voluptuous tag could be useful for categorizing 'voluptuous characters with hyper traits'. And overall the system doesn't seem all that bad, with curvy_figure encompassing hourglass_figure, curvaceous, and voluptuous. It doesn't seem too different from the size difference system used for body parts (small_penis, big_breasts, huge_butt, hyper_penis, etc.).

except those systems are bad design, the grouping style for muscular seems to be the ideal, independent but grouped. Only unlike muscles, which stay muscular at any size, curves at a certain point just become a mass of hyper body parts. all the tags could use a cap at some point and a way to distinguish that cap. Also not a big fan of hyper_voluptuous as a tag name. Might make some people think it should imply voluptuous which could lead to problems if the line between curvy and hyper isn't clear enough

found the forum #248421 I was thinking of. if possible I'd like to stay away from that

Table:

"???" would indicate possible tags that fit between common curvaceous/voluptuous characters and the edge of the break down of curvy_figure. each tag section would get its own size space with the descriptions containing a beginning size and ending size for the tags.

the cap/breaking point of curvy_figure would probably be when you can't see the waist anymore, or when the character is too thicc or too hyper for waist size to still be relevant to their figure description. when you can't see their waist, they don't have a waist, or the size of their waist is no longer relevant.

good plan?

sneezer22 said:

except those systems are bad design, the grouping style for muscular seems to be the ideal, independent but grouped. Only unlike muscles, which stay muscular at any size, curves at a certain point just become a mass of hyper body parts. all the tags could use a cap at some point and a way to distinguish that cap. Also not a big fan of hyper_voluptuous as a tag name. Might make some people think it should imply voluptuous which could lead to problems if the line between curvy and hyper isn't clear enough

I figured that name would be helpful since it would be for 'characters that are both voluptuous and hyper' and thought it would make things easier for tagging. Hence why I also feel a definition for hyper_voluptuous should be something like 'a voluptuous character with hyper traits', as well as stating clearly that the character must also fit the wiki descriptions for voluptuous and hyper. This will hopefully prevent incorrect tagging of hyper_voluptuous for characters with hyper traits that obscure or obstruct their waist/torso.

A different name could be used for the tag if necessary, but I feel a tag for 'characters with hyper and voluptuous traits' would be useful.

sneezer22 said:

found the forum #248421 I was thinking of. if possible I'd like to stay away from that

Table:

not curvy	&pipe;	<-curvy_figure ->					&pipe;	not curvy
slim	&pipe;	hourglass_figure	&pipe;	curvaceous	&pipe;	"???"	&pipe;	too hyper
	&pipe;		&pipe;	voluptuous	&pipe;	"???"	&pipe;	too thicc

"???" would indicate possible tags that fit between common curvaceous/voluptuous characters and the edge of the break down of curvy_figure. each tag section would get its own size space with the descriptions containing a beginning size and ending size for the tags.

the cap/breaking point of curvy_figure would probably be when you can't see the waist anymore, or when the character is too thicc or too hyper for waist size to still be relevant to their figure description. when you can't see their waist, they don't have a waist, or the size of their waist is no longer relevant.

good plan?

Other than my hyper_voluptuous quibbling from above, that all looks good and I concur with the description for the maximum capacity of curvy_figure. I also greatly concur with that fabulous table!

Thought about it for a while. Decided imo curvaceous should probably stop at the beginning states of hyper. It was a challenge finding the Dragon knight pic I used for the note in curvy_figure. For the most part all you tend to see is hyper_breasts, no waist. Plush and curvy characters seem to stop/break down somewhere between obese and morbidly_obese. Currently questioning "should voluptuous overlap with characters that are plush + hyper + curvy?" right now voluptuous is the catch all for big curves. regardless of what the tags could be changed to a bunch of big and curvy characters have already been tagged as voluptuous since it was the only tag available. If the decision is to overlap I think hyper_voluptuous would be fitting. For me I think I'd like them to be separate if possible meaning the names should be separate and the term "voluptuous" really shouldn't be used in the description for the new tag. Avoiding the implication request "[new_big&curvy_tag] -> voluptuous || reason: it says the characters are voluptuous in the tag description/name" -_-

Thanks, I like the table too :) borrowed the outline from the muscular page

sneezer22 said:

not curvy	&pipe;	<-curvy_figure ->					&pipe;	not curvy
slim	&pipe;	hourglass_figure	&pipe;	curvaceous	&pipe;	///////////////////	&pipe;	ridiculously_hyper
	&pipe;		&pipe;	voluptuous	?	vvvvvvvvvvvvvvv	&pipe;	morbidly_obese
	&pipe;		&pipe;		&pipe;	"big_and_curvy"	&pipe;	morbidly_obese

Thought about it for a while. Decided imo curvaceous should probably stop at the beginning states of hyper. It was a challenge finding the Dragon knight pic I used for the note in curvy_figure. For the most part all you tend to see is hyper_breasts, no waist. Plush and curvy characters seem to stop/break down somewhere between obese and morbidly_obese. Currently questioning "should voluptuous overlap with characters that are plush + hyper + curvy?" right now voluptuous is the catch all for big curves. regardless of what the tags could be changed to a bunch of big and curvy characters have already been tagged as voluptuous since it was the only tag available. If the decision is to overlap I think hyper_voluptuous would be fitting. For me I think I'd like them to be separate if possible meaning the names should be separate and the term "voluptuous" really shouldn't be used in the description for the new tag. Avoiding the implication request "[new_big&curvy_tag] -> voluptuous || reason: it says the characters are voluptuous in the tag description/name" -_-

The implication request issue could be countered by implicating hyper_voluptuous -> voluptuous right away, since hypothetically hyper_voluptuous should always have voluptuous apply to the same post in order to be correctly tagged with hyper_voluptuous in the first place. But like I said, if that tag name doesn't work another one can be thought up.

I definitely agree with curvaceous ending at relatively mild hyper traits. In my own mind I thought curvaceous wouldn't have a 'hyper' variation since it's hard to find a hyper character with a small_waist, which is necessary in order to be considered curvaceous. This wouldn't be a problem for the 'hyper' variant of voluptuous since the definition for voluptuous simply requires a character have wide_hips and big_breasts or larger.

D.D.M. said:
The implication request issue could be countered by implicating hyper_voluptuous -> voluptuous right away, since hypothetically hyper_voluptuous should always have voluptuous apply to the same post in order to be correctly tagged with hyper_voluptuous in the first place. But like I said, if that tag name doesn't work another one can be thought up.

I definitely agree with curvaceous ending at relatively mild hyper traits. In my own mind I thought curvaceous wouldn't have a 'hyper' variation since it's hard to find a hyper character with a small_waist, which is necessary in order to be considered curvaceous. This wouldn't be a problem for the 'hyper' variant of voluptuous since the definition for voluptuous simply requires a character have wide_hips and big_breasts or larger.

imo it "SHOULD NOT" be implicated. it might not matter, haven't thought about it enough yet, might be too late to separate thicc curvy characters from hyper-thicc curvy characters, but atm i think having them separated would be better than everything being implied to voluptuous.... if there's no other way maybe make a new tag for what i'm thinking of: curvaceous sized curvy characters that are thick but not hyper curvy. i feel like that should just be voluptuous though. best voluptuous def. imo: "characters with big breasts, wide hips, can be plush, don't go past the boundary between huge curves and hyper curves."

sneezer22 said:

imo it "SHOULD NOT" be implicated. it might not matter, haven't thought about it enough yet, might be too late to separate thicc curvy characters from hyper-thicc curvy characters, but atm i think having them separated would be better than everything being implied to voluptuous.... if there's no other way maybe make a new tag for what i'm thinking of: curvaceous sized curvy characters that are thick but not hyper curvy. i feel like that should just be voluptuous though. best voluptuous def. imo: "characters with big breasts, wide hips, can be plush, don't go past the boundary between huge curves and hyper curves."

On second thought it does sound better to keep the new tag separate from voluptuous for the sake of keeping the tags distinct from each other. And on a similar note, what should be used instead of hyper_voluptuous? Some alternatives I thought of that might be good are hyper_curvy, hyper_curves, or hyper_curvature. I suppose hyper_figure could be used, but to me it sounds too vague.

Down below is a summary on each of the "curves" tags from what I currently understand:

Please let me know if any of these summaries seem like they can be refined.