Aliasing irrumatio → face_fucking
Link to alias

Reason:

Okay, here's an idea to organize this, based partly on the current definitions. Male oral sex would always be tagged fellatio, face_fucking/irrumatio is a type of fellatio (which should be implied), specifically when the receiving party is the active one. face_mounting is a type of face_fucking/irrumatio (which should be implied) when the receiving party is the active one and "mounting" the giver's torso. Of course, face_mounting should imply fellatio too, I just don't know if a implied tag, when automatically applied, brings any tags it itself implies with it.

EDIT: The tag alias irrumatio -> face_fucking (forum #271180) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

actually kinda surprised there doesn't seem to be 2 preeminent, generalized, genitalia-based oral tags. might be worth making something like that, maybe something like "oral_(pussy)" and "oral_(penis)"

I don't think I quite agree with this implication though, imo probably better to imply irrumatio either straight to oral or maybe to forced_oral

face_fucking looks like it should be aliased to forced_oral, the tag face_fuck has already been aliased that way. I would suggest the tag for aliasing but the system returns an error

sneezer22 said:
face_fucking looks like it should be aliased to forced_oral, the tag face_fuck has already been aliased that way. I would suggest the tag for aliasing but the system returns an error

I already mentioned in this thread, but...

Looks like face fucking is the same as irrumatio, but they have a slightly difference to forced oral.

• forced oral requires to have the dom hold the head of the sub and force them to perform an oral.

• irrumatio the sub stays stationary and the dom starts thrusting.

So the alias and implication kinda makes sense:

• Alias: irrumatio → face_fucking (or inverse)
• Implication: face_mounting → face_fucking

OmegaUmbra said:
I already mentioned in this thread, but...

Looks like face fucking is the same as irrumatio, but they have a slightly difference to forced oral.

• forced oral requires to have the dom hold the head of the sub and force them to perform an oral.

• irrumatio the sub stays stationary and the dom starts thrusting.

So the alias and implication kinda makes sense:

• Alias: irrumatio → face_fucking (or inverse)
• Implication: face_mounting → face_fucking

Either ways good imo as long as the tag meanings are clear enough and everything winds up linking to oral somehow

OneMoreAnonymous said:
Male oral sex would always be tagged fellatio, face_fucking/irrumatio is a type of fellatio (which should be implied), specifically when the receiving party is the active one.

There's disagreement on whether fellatio and irrumatio are the same or explicit opposites.

Irrumatio is a form of oral sex where a man thrusts his penis into someone else's mouth, in contrast to fellatio where the penis is being actively orally excited by a fellator. The difference lies mainly in which party takes the active part. -wikipedia's irrumatio page]

Wikipedia's fellatio page doesn't make such a clear distinction.

Irrumatio is actively thrusting the penis into the mouth of a partner. A distinction was once made between irrumatio and fellatio based on who is actively moving. Irrumatio meant to thrust the penis into the partner’s mouth; fellatio meant to move the head and mouth up-and-down around the penis, but this distinction has almost completely vanished in modern English. -2008 blog post]

Probably what happened is irrumatio being much rarer than fellatio caused people to forget about the word "irrumatio" and just assume "fellatio = penis + mouth".

Not that we care, but danbooru makes the distinction between irrumatio and fellatio whereas sankaku complex has implicated irrumatio to fellatio.

I would prefer to keep the tags separate, and I expect average taggers to have difficulty maintaining or understanding that separation. Irrumatio isn't even in the average tagger's lexicon whereas fellatio is, but that can change.

I'd definitely prefer aliasing them this way around. Irrumatio is obscure, face_fucking is much clearer in usage.
If this is approved, the current aliases of facefucking, face_fuck, and facefuck should be moved from forced_oral to this.

genjar said:
I'd definitely prefer aliasing them this way around. Irrumatio is obscure, face_fucking is much clearer in usage.
If this is approved, the current aliases of facefucking, face_fuck, and facefuck should be moved from forced_oral to this.

+1

The wiki for irrumatio says:

By extension, irrumatio can also refer to the sexual technique of thrusting a penis between the thighs of a partner, or between the abdomens two partners.

So I'd think face_fucking should imply irrumatio rather than aliasing one to the other.

I think that the oral tags needs a bit of reorganization since throat_swabbing recently now implies fellatio. This is the result of a brief discussion through Discord about this, and I think this organization makes the most sense if fellatio is going to end up including situations that would fall under irrumatio.

• oral
• deep_throat
• oral_penetration
• oral_knotting - Shouldn't imply fellatio.
• fellatio (penis_in_mouth) - Could possibly imply oral_penetration
• irrumatio (involves thrusting) - Any scenario where the penetrating partner is in control.
• face_fucking - Unsure if this should be merged with irrumatio or not.
• face_mounting
• throat swabbing - Better belongs as a part of irrumatio.

Part of me still wants to keep fellatio and irrumatio separate, but if they must be part of the same tag, this is what I think makes sense.

thevileone said:
I think that the oral tags needs a bit of reorganization since throat_swabbing recently now implies fellatio. This is the result of a brief discussion through Discord about this, and I think this organization makes the most sense if fellatio is going to end up including situations that would fall under irrumatio.

• oral
• deep_throat
• oral_penetration
• oral_knotting - Shouldn't imply fellatio.
• fellatio (penis_in_mouth) - Could possibly imply oral_penetration
• irrumatio (involves thrusting) - Any scenario where the penetrating partner is in control.
• face_fucking - Unsure if this should be merged with irrumatio or not.
• face_mounting
• throat swabbing - Better belongs as a part of irrumatio.

Part of me still wants to keep fellatio and irrumatio separate, but if they must be part of the same tag, this is what I think makes sense.

I mostly like this but that leaves me with a few questions.

From my understanding fellatio is penis in mouth to put it simply, so would oral knotting and deep throat not apply to that?

I think irrumatio might be a little too obscure to use in place of forced oral or another tag, but I may be wrong about that.

What do we want to use oral penetration for?

My idea would probably be like:

• oral
• fellatio (penis in mouth)
• deep throat
• oral knotting
• face mounting
• face fucking (irrumatio merged into this)
• throat swabbing

something like this to allow for overlap

all suggestions welcome!

rainbow_dash said:
I mostly like this but that leaves me with a few questions.

From my understanding fellatio is penis in mouth to put it simply, so would oral knotting and deep throat not apply to that?

I think irrumatio might be a little too obscure to use in place of forced oral or another tag, but I may be wrong about that.

What do we want to use oral penetration for?

My idea would probably be like:

• oral
• fellatio (penis in mouth)
• deep throat
• oral knotting
• face mounting
• face fucking (irrumatio merged into this)
• throat swabbing

something like this to allow for overlap

all suggestions welcome!

The knotting tags shouldn't imply sex as not all images count as sex. These tags are also used for sex toys, which can be masturbation. The tag is also used for autoknotting posts. Also I don't see a reason why a knot has to be part of a penis. It just usually is.

deep_throat - Same thing. It can be used with sex toys, tentacles, and masturbation scenes. The wiki is outdated. This tag could be used essentially for any object or body part entering the throat area.

As for irrumatio, I think we should use the official terminology if we can help it. face_fucking sounds quite informal. The term is familiar to me, because I peruse the wikis a lot and that was the tag that was there for a long time. Remember to take the aliases from forced_oral when you make the changes.

The rest of the tags seem agreeable. It allows flexibility to place them into irrumatio.

Edit:
- I should mention that penis in mouth also meets the definition of sideways_oral, but that is only technically true. Technically that tag would meet the actual definition for fellatio too, but it doesn't count as penetration. However tags like irrumatio, and others that will imply fellatio are more than likely penetrative acts.

rainbow_dash said:
From my understanding fellatio is penis in mouth to put it simply, so would oral knotting and deep throat not apply to that?

As I understand it, fellatio is when the penis is (actively) stimulated by the mouth. It doesn't have to necessarily be in the mouth, hence why fellatio->oral_penetration implications have been rejected, as long as it's stimulated by it. oral_knotting means the penis is held in the mouth by the knot, there doesn't have to be any stimulation going on.

rainbow_dash said:
I think irrumatio might be a little too obscure to use in place of forced oral or another tag, but I may be wrong about that.

forced_oral seems a bit too close to forced sex (rape or questionable_consent) to me, even though it doesn't have to be a forced action. It seems more to just mean the fellatiator is taking a more passive role. Apparently it doesn't even have to be oral sex:

Irrumatio is a form of oral sex where a man thrusts his penis into someone else's mouth, in contrast to fellatio where the penis is being actively orally excited by a fellator. The difference lies mainly in which party takes the active part. By extension, irrumatio can also refer to the sexual technique of thrusting the penis between the thighs of a partner (intercrural sex), or between the abdomens of two men.[1]
[1] http://www.sex-lexis.com/Sex-Dictionary/irrumatio

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrumatio

Do remember that forced_oral can involve any gender, genitals, and also the anus. forced_rimming is also forced_oral. The wiki is just phrased like it should only involve the penis when this is not true. Forced oral could be someone strapped to a fucking machine being deep throated by a toy. ^{Only forced_oral implies sex, so you would need another tag for that.}

The tag alias irrumatio -> face_fucking (forum #271180) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.