delishop said:
tumblr is being dumb yet again. Trying to get this image (http://spyhedg.tumblr.com/post/175373916304), I've tried
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
https://a.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
http://data.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
And they all give me an error

i'm glad i'm not the only one having this problem. been trying to get an image for about 10 minutes now.

What's the deal with this? I just posted something a couple hours ago and the url on it was the raw tumblr link, but now it says access denied. That same link worked fine when I uploaded by it. Now nothing on tumblr is working but previews. There's a crap ton of stuff I planned on posting from tumblr today :(

delishop said:
tumblr is being dumb yet again. Trying to get this image (http://spyhedg.tumblr.com/post/175373916304), I've tried
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
https://a.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
http://data.tumblr.com/cbd4abfadaa969191355684dd8f93570/tumblr_pb2hcbYdio1qk5m46o1_r2_raw.png
And they all give me an error

forum #246461
the link worked 8 months ago, and now it doesn't
looks like direct links with "revision" numbers are no longer raw-able

All of the raw links died for me too (access denied). Tried 20 different images with various combinations of links, nothing works.

After a cursory test, I can confirm that direct image linking with the current method in this thread and "howto:sites and sources" is no longer possible with some images.

Example:
Post on Tumblr: https://xuan-sirius.tumblr.com/post/148272011176/a-gift-to-nullghost
Direct link to 1280 version: https://78.media.tumblr.com/bbd4183f6576eb93e083c7ffba31b420/tumblr_ob7gr64UwZ1v1ajxwo1_1280.png
(May require logging in to view.)

Attempted URL modifications that result in 'MissingKey':
https://a.tumblr.com/bbd4183f6576eb93e083c7ffba31b420/tumblr_ob7gr64UwZ1v1ajxwo1_raw.png

Attempted URL modifications that result in 'NoSuchBucket':
https://s3.amazonaws.com/a.tumblr.com/bbd4183f6576eb93e083c7ffba31b420/tumblr_ob7gr64UwZ1v1ajxwo1_raw.png
(Presumably invalid, can be ignored.)

Attempted URL modifications that result in 'AccessDenied':
http://data.tumblr.com/bbd4183f6576eb93e083c7ffba31b420/tumblr_ob7gr64UwZ1v1ajxwo1_raw.png
https://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/bbd4183f6576eb93e083c7ffba31b420/tumblr_ob7gr64UwZ1v1ajxwo1_raw.png

The variants that now result in 'MissingKey' and 'AccessDenied' previously made the image accessible in their 'raw' format. Is it known what period of images this affects, and are there any known workarounds?

Edit: The previously stated theory suggests that this only impacts posts with a revision number, but this example does not appear to have a revision number in the URL.

It looks like the a links only work if they were accessed before the change. Otherwise they give access errors. It looks like a is a proxy and it is allowed to access the bucket, but doesn't provide authentication automatically. So this looks like it's a dead end, unless they change it to provide that authentication automatically and I'm thinking that they won't.

So unless they poke more holes in their own infrastructure this is probably the end of tumblr raws for the time being.

Sucks that raws have been killed, at least with known url manipulations. :(

At least I had cause to notice and fix an error in my userscript that it wouldn't try anything past the first raw url.

KiraNoot said:
It looks like the a links only work if they were accessed before the change. Otherwise they give access errors. It looks like a is a proxy and it is allowed to access the bucket, but doesn't provide authentication automatically. So this looks like it's a dead end, unless they change it to provide that authentication automatically and I'm thinking that they won't.

So unless they poke more holes in their own infrastructure this is probably the end of tumblr raws for the time being.

I feel mixed about this.

On one hand, if the original version is no longer available on any sources, then it's less likely that a new uploader will get a slap across the wrist for not being familiar with arcane URL-fu. On the other, it was often the only means of accessing original versions of artwork, albeit with questionable knowledge from the artist (who may or may not have known of means to access the original on Tumblr).

Hopefully Tumblr will implement a cleaner, clearer means of accessing content as originally uploaded, but I'm doubtful given the history of user-hostile obfuscation on major media platforms.

KiraNoot said:
So this looks like it's a dead end, unless they change it to provide that authentication automatically and I'm thinking that they won't.

I wonder if the uploader has this authentication, as long as they're logged in.
Or if the raw version is inaccessible even to the uploader himself.

I'll do some testing on my own little tumblr.

so I guess there no way to get the raw files anymore, huh? well that sucks. I guess people are just gonna have to post the regular ones available on tumblr itself. but what's probably gonna happen is that people are gonna get used to uploading the smaller res images AND THEN someone's gonna figure out how to get the full sizes again and there's gonna be a MASS of deletions in favor of larger images.

that day is gonna suck......

Autumn-Ferret said:
so I guess there no way to get the raw files anymore, huh? well that sucks. I guess people are just gonna have to post the regular ones available on tumblr itself. but what's probably gonna happen is that people are gonna get used to uploading the smaller res images AND THEN someone's gonna figure out how to get the full sizes again and there's gonna be a MASS of deletions in favor of larger images.

that day is gonna suck......

At the very least, we still have access to _1280 tumblr image urls.

But yeah, eventually this'll be a mess to deal with in terms of reuploading content. Oh well, shit happens.

I wonder if we can get an answer out of tumblr support about this?

Dogenzaka said:
I wonder if we can get an answer out of tumblr support about this?

This...I say we all message support about this to make them realize there is a group of people who are not at all happy with this change...I've already sent in a ticket myself. Not saying be uncivil...but simply question why the ability to access raws was removed.

My guess is some artist who has a Patreon was uploading Patreon-only high-res images assuming they were all being downsized to 1280, then they later realized people could access the huge sizes and then cried to Tumblr about it and got raws shut down.

yo who else mega bummed

I have an idea. How about we just don't post the 1280 previews if you know it's the only place to find it besides contacting the artist. If we start posting those they'll all end up wasted data and add deleted posts to users accounts. We should wait till this is settled or figured out first. If you absolutely want to post something and tumblr is the only site it's posted to, try and get a hold of the artist for the file. If not just don't post it yet. You guys can post however you want, but that's my suggestion.

GlimGlam said:
I have an idea. How about we just don't post the 1280 previews if you know it's the only place to find it besides contacting the artist. If we start posting those they'll all end up wasted data and add deleted posts to users accounts. We should wait till this is settled or figured out first. If you absolutely want to post something and tumblr is the only site it's posted to, try and get a hold of the artist for the file. If not just don't post it yet. You guys can post however you want, but that's my suggestion.

I guess it's the best suggestion for now...

Dyrone said:
This...I say we all message support about this to make them realize there is a group of people who are not at all happy with this change...I've already sent in a ticket myself. Not saying be uncivil...but simply question why the ability to access raws was removed.

My guess is some artist who has a Patreon was uploading Patreon-only high-res images assuming they were all being downsized to 1280, then they later realized people could access the huge sizes and then cried to Tumblr about it and got raws shut down.

I sent a ticket earlier as well. I suggest everyone take a minute to do this. Maybe we can get it fixed, or at least an answer.

Dogenzaka said:
I sent a ticket earlier as well. I suggest everyone take a minute to do this. Maybe we can get it fixed, or at least an answer.

Judging by how much that website hates functioning reasonably (see: 'missing e' and all that shit surrounding the XKit guy) I wouldn't get my hopes up, but then again I don't know how people found out about accessing the raw versions of pictures.

FFS, I only just discovered this raw image business a month ago, I hate to think how many images i've downloaded in worse quality than I could have.

This change better just be a screwup... it's bad enough having FA deliberately ruin every image larger than 1280 pixels.

Reynard_Fox said:
FFS, I only just discovered this raw image business a month ago, I hate to think how many images i've downloaded in worse quality than I could have.

This change better just be a screwup... it's bad enough having FA deliberately ruin every image larger than 1280 pixels.

unfortunately not well known enough, but if, after you upload a file, you click on "change submission file" or whatever it's called, it will not impose a resolution limit (will still impose file size limit)

zangooseoo said:
unfortunately not well known enough, but if, after you upload a file, you click on "change submission file" or whatever it's called, it will not impose a resolution limit (will still impose file size limit)

Which has to be done by submitter, where I have had even big names telling me "not worth the extra effort".

Mairo said:
Which has to be done by submitter, where I have had even big names telling me "not worth the extra effort".

Lol, that's like making someone dinner but only giving them an appetizer because you don't feel like bringing the meal to the table. Reuploading the submission file has only ever taken me a few seconds.

Mairo said:
Which has to be done by submitter, where I have had even big names telling me "not worth the extra effort".

There's no add-on/script that does this automatically?

Mairo said:
Which has to be done by submitter, where I have had even big names telling me "not worth the extra effort".

>clicking an extra box
oh the horror
I cannot believe people sometimes

Mairo said:
Which has to be done by submitter, where I have had even big names telling me "not worth the extra effort".

it's not something every artist knows about, either. tempestus vulpis is an artist where i ended up reuploading almost all of their artwork because they one day decided to just fix up their very compressed furaffinity gallery–either they didn't know beforehand or they didn't think it was very important.

meowmcmeow said:
it's not something every artist knows about, either. tempestus vulpis is an artist where i ended up reuploading almost all of their artwork because they one day decided to just fix up their very compressed furaffinity gallery–either they didn't know beforehand or they didn't think it was very important.

I've had artists who were surprised to hear about how some websites didn't like to host proper quality initially. They're usually glad to be informed that it's not working all that great since the knowledge lets them post links to the better versions (or else repost a superior, such as on FA).

Munkelzahn said:
There's no add-on/script that does this automatically?

No idea, I would prefer that artists stopped using FA alltogether and used something more technically advanced like Inkbunny instead.

There are several artists who have started using postybirb, meaning they are much likelier to post on more places than just FA now, which usually means much higher quality copies of their works being around.

Mairo said:
No idea, I would prefer that artists stopped using FA alltogether and used something more technically advanced like Inkbunny instead.

There are several artists who have started using postybirb, meaning they are much likelier to post on more places than just FA now, which usually means much higher quality copies of their works being around.

i know i've personally heard from a lot of artists that they don't like inkbunny because of some of the content that's allowed on there compared to other places.

also, despite any advantages the site design of something like weasyl, inkbunny, etc. there's just not currently the same amount of users, and uploading art can take just enough time that artists might forgo less popular sites. that's why tons of artists seem to be just furaffinity + twitter, sometimes tumblr, maybe a weasyl/inkbunny/sofurry. and even when they have those alternate accounts, those accounts don't always end up updated often (though postybirb stuff has really helped on that front).

Mairo said:
No idea, I would prefer that artists stopped using FA alltogether and used something more technically advanced like Inkbunny instead.

Amen, Brother Bear.
Amen.

How long did it take for the previous problem to be solved?

Back when the "data." method was discovered?

I also remembered that there was a period where some people were getting a strange error when it comes to tumblr. Going to someone's blog for some reason causes it to redirect them to the dashboard.

While it hasn't happened to me it has happened to a friend of mine, and when I was reading another discord server someone else had the same issue (with a reply that suggested some of their friends also experienced the same thing). Suddenly, that issue was fixed for everyone involved and they had no idea what the issue is.

Could this whole ".raw" thing not working be based on this whole situation? Was tumblr updating at the time?

Going to someone's blog for some reason causes it to redirect them to the dashboard.

That was an issue affecting people in Europe. Tumblr tweeted about it shortly before they fixed it but it looks like they deleted the tweet. At least there's still a tweet that out of context could be about anything.

themeshow101 said:
I also remembered that there was a period where some people were getting a strange error when it comes to tumblr. Going to someone's blog for some reason causes it to redirect them to the dashboard.

While it hasn't happened to me it has happened to a friend of mine, and when I was reading another discord server someone else had the same issue (with a reply that suggested some of their friends also experienced the same thing). Suddenly, that issue was fixed for everyone involved and they had no idea what the issue is.

Could this whole ".raw" thing not working be based on this whole situation? Was tumblr updating at the time?

They have probably never intended to give public access to it. Someone has probably just messed up access lists for tumblr's storage and they didn't know that everyone can access it. I'm sure at least api documentation would've mentioned it if it was an official feature.

For the time being I’m just bookmarking the 1280 links of things, rather than downloading them. It would suck immensely to start downloading 1280’s again only for a new _raw trick to be found, and have to replace them all.
I’m fairly confident somebody will find a new one again. If the image exists on the site, then there must be someway to access it.

so are we all gonna agree to not post from tumblr anymore until a new raw method is discovered?

just out of curiosity, how long did it take last time for people to figure out how to get the raws again? and what if tumblr did this on purpose and there really is no way to get the raws ever again? how long before people realize this and go ahead and start posting the 1280s....

just a thought...

Like someone said in an earlier post, ask the artists for the full version.

It's more work, but the alternative is either not posting 1280 versions from Tumblr anymore, or posting them and possibly having them deleted if/when raws become available again.

Munkelzahn said:
Like someone said in an earlier post, ask the artists for the full version.

It's more work, but the alternative is either not posting 1280 versions from Tumblr anymore, or posting them and possibly having them deleted if/when raws become available again.

but isn't asking the artist every single time they post something kind of, well, rude? it seems like the artist would get kinda sick of people doing that after a while.

I agree that artists should just give up on tumblr and FA and start using something like inkbunny where the images aren't scaled down. it'd make everything SOOOO much simpler

came here to find out if anyone else was having this, this kinda sucks. i'm with vibrant on this one i think i'll hold off on the 1280s for now in hopes that someone manages to find a workaround

I just found this Danbooru forum post.

TheAMM said:

The _raw urls are kill. Contacting support, they expressly state "we no longer offer this feature". No further explanation; other people are coming up with reasons (bandwidth, storage, patreon artists uploading full-size images unaware that they're not downsampled and throwing a fit afterwards).
There existed an a.tumblr.com endpoint for a short while, but it's gone as well.
A moment of silence for _raw images, I suppose.

Edit: And the forum post after that:

FaithSummers said:

Tumblr recently stopped doing lossless uploads, so I'd guess they wanted to stop huge raw images as well. (JPG images are now usually re-encoded though better than Twitter, opaque PNG become JPG, transparent PNG untouched)

So seeing how Tumblr themselves won't have lossless versions anymore, I take it it's either putting up with the 1280's or asking the artist directly for the full version?

Alm-Pe said:
So seeing how Tumblr themselves won't have lossless versions anymore, I take it it's either putting up with the 1280's or asking the artist directly for the full version?

that's what it boils down to
unless you feel that

Autumn-Ferret said:
but isn't asking the artist every single time they post something kind of, well, rude? it seems like the artist would get kinda sick of people doing that after a while.

then you can only upload the 1280 version

Got response from tumblr's support:

Thank you for taking the time to let me know your thoughts about downloading raw images.

Your suggestions and feedback help to guide us as we make additions and improvements to Tumblr. I’ll make sure to pass them along to our engineering team.

BooruHitomi said:
Edit: And the forum post after that:

So for artists to be able to share their work as high quality as possible, they would need to add in one transparent pixel for tumblr and twitter, upload their work twice to furaffinity, save it as 100 quality JPG before uploading to imgur, put it as attachment when posting on patreon, etc. on top of all what's allowed and what's not with all websites, I'm actually not that surprised if artists start to feel like it's not worth the effort.

So far it seems like raws are no longer available to public, so I'm really hoping that users did take replacing tumblr samples seriously this past couple years.

Whattttt? Tumblr doesn’t keep PNGs as PNGs anymore? Really??? They were like the only social media website that kept PNGs as PNGs!! First safe mode so you have to have an account and you can’t use Google reverse search and now this? Ugh. As if I didn’t hate tumblr enough already!!

Mairo said:
So for artists to be able to share their work as high quality as possible, they would need to add in one transparent pixel for tumblr and twitter

lol, my thoughts exactly
but that's probably a bannable offense
"adding transparency to prevent lossy compression"
better make the entire background transparent

DarkAlex said:
Got response from tumblr's support:

I got something similar a day or two ago when I sent in a ticket.

DarkAlex said:
Got response from tumblr's support:

Got a similar message as well.

Hello,
Thank you for taking the time to let me know your thoughts about Tumblr removing support for accessing RAW images
Your suggestions and feedback help to guide us as we make additions and improvements to Tumblr. I’ll make sure to pass them along to our engineering team.
Thanks again,

Jesus...you'd think as storage becomes better and cheaper these companies wouldn't have an issue storing lossless images...just IMAGES FFS...not even video! They are just being cheap imo, just cutting as much as possible to pad profit margins.

I wonder if they are even keeping original versions anymore? Or does the site just convert them and throw the originals away?

Dyrone said:
Jesus...you'd think as storage becomes better and cheaper these companies wouldn't have an issue storing lossless images...just IMAGES FFS...not even video! They are just being cheap imo, just cutting as much as possible to pad profit margins.

It wouldn't be a social media website if the decisions being made weren't assbackwards and completely incomprehensible for anyone on the outside.

DarkAlex said:
Got response from tumblr's support:

That sadly does sound like the respond that PR teams are said to give out even if they know the answer allready. I could be wrong and it could be that enough feedback can change it. So I would almost recommend shooting at them before they either see the demand and try to work with it or spill the beans of the actual situation.

Dyrone said:
Jesus...you'd think as storage becomes better and cheaper these companies wouldn't have an issue storing lossless images...just IMAGES FFS...not even video! They are just being cheap imo, just cutting as much as possible to pad profit margins.

I wonder if they are even keeping original versions anymore? Or does the site just convert them and throw the originals away?

Tumblr does also host videos (which, funnily enough, they do keep original resolutions available and which are even easier to access compared to raw images, see e.g. 1250p with post #1083612, to access the MP4 all you need to do is remove _720 from URL).

However everyone still has to understand that tumblrs main operations is still to be blog and social website, so serving original quality image files isn't their main goal. There's reason why sites like twitter and facebook heavily compresses uploaded material, serving shitposts and memes to users who do not even care how compressed their shitposts and memes are is waste of money.

Fakkin hell, that sucks. RIP

Mairo said:
However everyone still has to understand that tumblrs main operations is still to be blog and social website, so serving original quality image files isn't their main goal. There's reason why sites like twitter and facebook heavily compresses uploaded material, serving shitposts and memes to users who do not even care how compressed their shitposts and memes are is waste of money.

Well I've always thought of Tumblr as a bit of a mix between a blog and an artist's platform...there's a reason why we refer to certain people as "Tumblr Artists". Serving up high-res images absolutely should be a priority for them considering artists are a large part their community...memes and shitposts usually aren't all that high-res anyways...It's like not people are sharing 8000x8000 600dpi images of Pepe...so this change is a direct attack on artists, not bloggers and memers.

EDIT: Found ONE post on Tumblr complaining about RAW images removal...lets signal boost it by reblogging/liking so we can show Tumblr we're not happy! http://thoughtfulcyclefire.tumblr.com/post/176920969607

Dyrone said:
Well I've always thought of Tumblr as a bit of a mix between a blog and an artist's platform...there's a reason why we refer to certain people as "Tumblr Artists". Serving up high-res images absolutely should be a priority for them considering artists are a large part their community...memes and shitposts usually aren't all that high-res anyways...It's like not people are sharing 8000x8000 600dpi images of Pepe...so this change is a direct attack on artists, not bloggers and memers.

EDIT: Found ONE post on Tumblr complaining about RAW images removal...lets signal boost it by reblogging/liking so we can show Tumblr we're not happy! http://thoughtfulcyclefire.tumblr.com/post/176920969607

I never thought I'd hear the words "signal boost" outside of Tumblr.

Shame that dumb artists would continue to use this crappy service regardless. Its like spending years drawing Mona Lisa and then taking a picture of the painting on a crappy 140p camera before tossing the original in the trash. I wonder why they treat their own works like this. Rip digital art.

Krotgovnorot said:
Shame that dumb artists would continue to use this crappy service regardless. Its like spending years drawing Mona Lisa and then taking a picture of the painting on a crappy 140p camera before tossing the original in the trash. I wonder why they treat their own works like this. Rip digital art.

Because many people use the platform and it's over all REALLY convenient for sharing your art with other people. Tumblr is generally a pretty straightforward place: The posts typically come in the order they were posted and any time anythign interferes with the post order, there's generally a work around, unlike Twitter which randomly shows posts in a vaguely chronological order, and facebook which would rather show you advertisements, not content.

Tumblr also has the advantage of being a website where people who like your posts reblog them and you reach a larger audience. You can't get that on a website like fur affinity or ink bunny. There's no social aspect.

Tumblr is far, far from perfect... but, until recent changes, it was pretty dang good in a lot of ways.

If you have some undiscovered treasure that people would benefit from, please do mention it. I'm sure we'd all love a website that would be..less of a "crappy service".

SnowWolf said:
Because many people use the platform and it's over all REALLY convenient for sharing your art with other people. Tumblr is generally a pretty straightforward place: The posts typically come in the order they were posted and any time anythign interferes with the post order, there's generally a work around, unlike Twitter which randomly shows posts in a vaguely chronological order, and facebook which would rather show you advertisements, not content.

Tumblr also has the advantage of being a website where people who like your posts reblog them and you reach a larger audience. You can't get that on a website like fur affinity or ink bunny. There's no social aspect.

Tumblr is far, far from perfect... but, until recent changes, it was pretty dang good in a lot of ways.

If you have some undiscovered treasure that people would benefit from, please do mention it. I'm sure we'd all love a website that would be..less of a "crappy service".

No search by tags, horrible cropped quality, horrible browsing that clearly was not made for art, moderators deleting what they want and when they want, blocking accounts for posting porn and showing you middle finger when you complain, basically nonexistent support. Amazing, very convenient. It was never good, it was never made for art. Even deviant art is better, or pixiv. Why use twitter or tumblr when there is at least two good sites for art.

Krotgovnorot said:
No search by tags, horrible cropped quality, horrible browsing that clearly was not made for art, moderators deleting what they want and when they want, blocking accounts for posting porn and showing you middle finger when you complain, basically nonexistent support. Amazing, very convenient. It was never good, it was never made for art. Even deviant art is better, or pixiv. Why use twitter or tumblr when there is at least two good sites for art.

Problem with searching by tags and browsing is custom themes and how artists utilize the tags.

There are actually many artists who do properly tag their stuff and most do at least the bear minimum of tagging their artwork containing posts. Also at least tumblr has standartized archive page which you can always access regardless if it's linked on the snowflake theme in the blog itself.

It's still a blogging platform, so they do give you tools to make it work for you exactly the way you want, because some use blogs similar to social networking while others can keep it more informative or some sites use it as their newsplatform. There are many sites with their own domain which simply use heavily modified theme for artists tumblr page but looks like well organized gallery (one example I can throw from my head is todex own site creaturegate.com, NSFW of course)

As for support, I had issue several days ago where all pages threw me into dashboard. Opened ticked, was responded in two minutes and problem was solved in hours.

Deviantart allows explicit content, but not porn. Pixiv allows porn, but genitalia has to be censored. Of course there are much better websites from technical standpoints, but nobody uses Google+ either when everyone is on facebook and twitter already. So at least now it's pretty much working with what the situation is and thank some higher being that artists haven't moved into furry amino and instagram.

Krotgovnorot said:
No search by tags,

In addition to what Mairo said, there is, in fact, a search by tag method that searches the whole site. Much like Deviantart, FA and others, the tags are only as good as what he artists uses. None of these websites have standardization in what tags one must use. The difference mostly is that Tumblr users use tags a lot to make comments about what they're looking at. So even if artist didn't take "snow leopard", a user might tag it with #GASP #Snow leopard #animal #art #it's so pretty! while reblogging it.

It's not perfect, in any way shape or form, but there *is* a search by tags.

horrible cropped quality, horrible browsing that clearly was not made for art,

The browsing depends entirely on the theme that the artist picks to use on their blog. The default theme displays a "thumbnail" about 500 pixels wide, and really dang tall. That's more than most gallery specific do. A single click brings you a larger version of the picture, and a third brings you a 1280 wide version, if it exists. Posts with multiple images easily exist, each with their own close up, and you can easily page through a comic this way.

The problem becomes when the artist doesn't accommodate for the size of the medium their using, and the text becomes too small to read without zooming in, or opening in a new tab.

But I'd over all argue that tumblr is actually pretty dang art friendly. It could be far better, but I'd love to see some parts of Tumblr applied to places like Deviant art.

moderators deleting what they want and when they want, blocking accounts for posting porn and showing you middle finger when you complain,

To my knowledge, and i say this as a tumblr user for the last 7 years, Tumblr moderators do not delete things because 'they want to' and instead generally stick to things that violate their terms of use-- y'know, copyright infringement or content violates their content guidelines. (which are "no hate speech, don't be a dick to kids, don't glorify self harm, mark sensitive and sexually explicit content, do not post gore, mutilation, bestality or necrophilia, if you are NSFW, TAG YOURSELF, so not upload sexually explicit videos (gifs are fine.), don't decieve people by posting the wrong 'source', or setting up misleading clickthrough links, don't lie about where you got something from. SOURCE YOUR SHIT, no spam, respect copyrights, don't pretend to be someone you're not, so not use tumblr for illegal stuff, like fraud or human trafficking.)

They did have some growing pains, a couple years ago, but I didn't see anything deleted that honestly probably didn't deserve it, at least a little.

Those 'blocked for posting porn' accounts are either using someone else's content without permission--whoops... or are one of those random accounts that posts sexy pictures then says "for more, click here" and then your computer is infected with viruses.

I'm not saying that things are never wrongfully deleted, but tumblr's pretty chill about it.

basically nonexistent support. Amazing, very convenient. It was never good, it was never made for art. Even deviant art is better, or pixiv. Why use twitter or tumblr when there is at least two good sites for art.

I think I covered that. Because when you post on deviant art, you're flinging a picture out into the void.

Seriously, been there. You fight for views. You end up having to submit a picture to a hundred groups, and hopefully people actually click on it. Deviant art is awful at helping artists get seen. If you follow someone, you see a single thumbnail of your most recent picture, even if you've posted dozens of pictures in the last few days. If you submit to a group, they still only see the most recent thumbnail. Deviant art is a lot of shouting into the void. If you're lucky, you get a few people who randomly trip over your art and like it. Ditto for FA, pixiv, ink buny, etc.

As I said before, the main advantage that twitter and tumblr have is that it's a social platform. People who like your art reblog it. then their audience is also seeing your image. You still have that initial struggle for an audience, but it seems far easier to gain a tumblr or twitter following than a deviant art following.

every platform has advantages and disadvantages. Tumblr and Twitter have the social pay off... and at the end of the day, artists want people to see their art. Tumblr and twitter enable that in a way that image archives don't.

There's also a Twitter that's been started to try and gain awareness. Hopefully we can get the issue to gain traction on different sites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bdMSCdw20&t=22
post #1148635

Pixiv allows porn, but genitalia has to be censored.

That's not true. Censorship on pixiv is a bit controversial. Western users does not have to censor their art but for some reason sometimes pixiv support ask them to do it. Its enough to just make a first picture in the set censored and add uncensored copy as the second one in the same post. But then again its rare and they most likely won't bother an artist.

SnowWolf said:
there is, in fact, a search by tag method that searches the whole site. Much like Deviantart, FA and others, the tags are only as good as what he artists uses.

Its a bit more complicated than that. Looks like tumblr shows random stuff in random order 90% of which is not even art. Sometimes even if the picture has proper tagging tumbler won't show it as a search result for some reason. Their searching system is barely usable by itself.

SnowWolf said:
But I'd over all argue that tumblr is actually pretty dang art friendly. It could be far better, but I'd love to see some parts of Tumblr applied to places like Deviant art.

Cropping 3000x4000 art to 1280. Art friendly, right.

SnowWolf said:
Tumblr moderators do not delete things because 'they want to'

Then why they deleted Sindoll and Sunibee tumblrs? And also many others.

SnowWolf said:
As I said before, the main advantage that twitter and tumblr have is that it's a social platform. People who like your art reblog it. then their audience is also seeing your image. You still have that initial struggle for an audience, but it seems far easier to gain a tumblr or twitter following than a deviant art following.

Alright, is they love their social aspect that much why can't they use it as a platform for wips, sketches and updates posting art someplace else? Or at least providing a link for lossless image like this guy do https://greyimp.tumblr.com/
No matter how you look at it sadly it seems like attention is more important to them then creating art and art is only a mean to gain it.

Well, I just learned if you put :orig at the end of a twitter image url it'll give you the original file. Why can't tumblr do something similar to that? Shouldn't be too hard...

GlimGlam said:
Well, I just learned if you put :orig at the end of a twitter image url it'll give you the original file. Why can't tumblr do something similar to that? Shouldn't be too hard...

That's the same thing as Tumblr, just a URL modification. Twitter doesn't give you the true original file in most cases either, it highly compresses them unless they are transparent PNGs.

Blind_Guardian said:
That's the same thing as Tumblr, just a URL modification. Twitter doesn't give you the true original file in most cases either, it highly compresses them unless they are transparent PNGs.

Yeah I read about it in this https://webtrickz.com/download-images-in-original-size-on-twitter/ You're right about it not being the original, but it's the closest you'll get without asking

GlimGlam said:
Well, I just learned if you put :orig at the end of a twitter image url it'll give you the original file. Why can't tumblr do something similar to that? Shouldn't be too hard...

Isn't that basically what the raw url was? They don't want us to be able to get the original file sizes even though they're stored on the server. If they didn't want that, they could've just went the FurAffinty route and immediately resize stuff instead of hiding the full versions behind smoke and mirrors.

Krotgovnorot said:
That's not true. Censorship on pixiv is a bit controversial. Western users does not have to censor their art but for some reason sometimes pixiv support ask them to do it. Its enough to just make a first picture in the set censored and add uncensored copy as the second one in the same post. But then again its rare and they most likely won't bother an artist.

That's because pixiv is a japanese website and Japanese laws state that pornography must be censored. People are rarely arrested for this, however, those who have been arrested for violating this law, have gotten hefty fees.

So, that is why pivix asks for censorship.

Its a bit more complicated than that. Looks like tumblr shows random stuff in random order 90% of which is not even art. Sometimes even if the picture has proper tagging tumbler won't show it as a search result for some reason. Their searching system is barely usable by itself.

This may be true, but that is different than not having a search system at all, which is what you said before.

Cropping 3000x4000 art to 1280. Art friendly, right.

I wasn't commenting on what they do to the art itself, I was, again, talking about the usability and presentation. Hence the paragraph about visibility of 500px wide, versus DA's 150 or less, I believe.

Then why they deleted Sindoll and Sunibee tumblrs? And also many others.

Okay...

Sindoll - I found a FA page, but they haven't posted there in 6 years. Supposedly they're active on twitter, but I couldn't find a twitter page, just a lot of sketchy links. I found a link to his website, but, it lead me to a rather sketchy seeming page that didn't seem like an art site and seemed like like a stolen domain. So I don't know what happened to Sindoll and sindoll's tumblr. For all I know, they got tired of art and deleted themselves. Or maybe they were deleted for posting some of the aforementioned bannable offenses.

Oh! wait, I managed to find their twitter -- I thought I'd checked @sindoll but I didn't. whoops. My bad. :)

Searching, he says on 30 June 2017:

未成年者を含む不適切なコンテンツを許可していません、という理由でTumblrが凍結されてしまいました。
該当する記事・画像がどれだったのかが指摘されてないので分からないのですが、反省します

Which, google translated, says Tumblr has been frozen for reasons that it does not allow inappropriate content including minors. I do not know because it is not pointed out which article / image it was, but I will reflect on it

Bing translated it as Tumblr has been frozen because it does not allow inappropriate content, including minors. I do not understand because it is not pointed out which one was the relevant article and the image, but I regret it.

So... it sounds like he broke a rule.

As for Sunibee.. well, I mean... This doesn't look deleted ... that doesn't mean that it wasn't deleted, and they didn't remake it.

That said, searching here for Sunibee young shows at least one obvious kid screwing an adult, so I'd guess Sunibee *also* violated Tumblr's rules.

Alright, is they love their social aspect that much

The social aspect is really important for an artist, I promise. Creating is a very personal thing that very few are content keeping to themselves. and many do try to make a living at it, which makes it even more important that they are seen by a wide audience.

why can't they use it as a platform for wips, sketches and updates posting art someplace else? Or at least providing a link for lossless image like this guy do https://greyimp.tumblr.com/[/quote]

Many do! I wish everyone did! But it does add a bit of time to the process of marketing yourself that isn't making art. and sometimes, that time isn't worth it. Which is silly, but people are pretty silly, sometimes.

A lot of artists, especially younger ones-- don't realize how important the quality and size thing is either. When I was younger and first posting art online (that art is, by the way old enough to legally vote...) I was most concerned about file sizes and not making the pictures too big and hard to see. So my old art is incredibly grainy and 500 pixels on the longest side. whoops. Also, I saved it all in a lossy image format, and sometimes lowered the quality to make the file size smaller. Yikes. But, such is being young and ignorant.

No matter how you look at it sadly it seems like attention is more important to them then creating art and art is only a mean to gain it.

Don't we all seek approval from others? be it a friend or a loved one, or the crowd... we like approval. Artist or not.

But artists tend to understand the impact of art. They see pictures others have drawn and it makes them feel happy. They recognize that when they see fun art, they feel things: Sadness, love, affection, appreciation, lust, desire, awe, wonderment, excitement, curiosity. Other more indescribable emotions like "Feels" and "MY HEART!" ... I think the biggest drive for an artist is to share the 'feels' other others. to let others feel these emotions and sensations. to inspire others to do better, to feel more, to create.

There's some selfish aspects of course, but everyone is selfish sometimes and that's okay. We're selfish for wanting to see our friends laugh and smile, and know we made those feelings in them. we're selfish for wanting to make others happy because we'll feel happy too. Making strawberry pancakes for your lil girl is selfish because her smile will bring you joy.

but it's a good selfish. After all, wouldn't it be strange if we didn't feel pleasure in another's happiness?

And I think that this is what a lot of an artist's desire for attention is -- to make others feel, in one way or another.

and honestly, art's complicated-- lots of stuff to learn, and you're focused on learning how to draw hands and feet and faces and action poses and shading and colors that "technical bullshit" seems so frustrating. And there are SO many tutorials out there for how-to-draw-hands and how-to-make-stuff-glow, but very few discuss why png is good and jpg is bad, and compression and color balancing and why website X is good, and why website X is bad and.... so forth.

So, be kind to your artists, man :/ They don't deserve that kind of scorn from you. ffs, my niece loves drawing with a passion because she makes pretty art for her friends. Not because she wants attention. She just likes making people happy.

GlimGlam said:
Well, I just learned if you put :orig at the end of a twitter image url it'll give you the original file. Why can't tumblr do something similar to that? Shouldn't be too hard...

howto:sites_and_sources#twitter

Dogenzaka said:
Isn't that basically what the raw url was? They don't want us to be able to get the original file sizes even though they're stored on the server. If they didn't want that, they could've just went the FurAffinty route and immediately resize stuff instead of hiding the full versions behind smoke and mirrors.

Like mentioned above, even that version is usually highly compressed so thus other sources (excluding furaffinity which manages to usually be even worse) are more preferred unless resolution increase is massive or artist has kept the filetype as PNG with transparency. Their goal is still to keep least amount of data on their servers and have the file on user with least amount of time and data used, hence why they also do not host GIF files and use extreme compression to make them MP4 instead as that lowers filesizes 10 times lower and if viewed on mobile the processor doesn't choke on single funny gif on feed.

Also it's not unheard of that site keeps original uploaded copy of something stored and only shares sampled version of that original publicly. Two best examples are youtube which keeps original copy if they decide to change their video formats in future to avoid quality decrease all across the board whenever this happens and deviantart which offers watermarking (so they can update URL and logo of watermark if needed) as well as printing services and download purchares.

SnowWolf said:
Many do! I wish everyone did! But it does add a bit of time to the process of marketing yourself that isn't making art. and sometimes, that time isn't worth it. Which is silly, but people are pretty silly, sometimes.

Spending literally 30-60 seconds to upload art on imgur or whatever else, such an effort.

SnowWolf said:
So, be kind to your artists, man :/ They don't deserve that kind of scorn from you.

They do, I like art and I also like to preserve it in best possible quality.
What's the point in making something beautiful just to ruin it with artefacts and low quality, it brings out only one emotion and its far from pleasant.

You misunderstood half of the stuff I wrote, I don't know why you defend tumblr so passionately, did they pay you or what? But no matter, lets just agree that if they won't return the raw link we need to inform as many artists as we could about the situation and ask them to upload a raw image somewhere every time they post and art and share a link to it.

Also Sindoll has active pixiv and post almost every week. His tumblr got deleted for no damn reason and support never explained anything and refused to restore it saying that it was deleted for porn. Sunibee tumblr you linked is not even his, the original one got deleted as well and he only post on twitter now.

Krotgovnorot said:
Spending literally 30-60 seconds to upload art on imgur or whatever else, such an effort.

Honey.
Could you please, for just a few minutes, assume that I might *maybe* know a *little* bit of what I'm talking about? Just a WEE bit?

This can take a bit longer. I say this as an artist who maintained multiple galleries for several years. It is not just 'upload the full to imgur' ... that is ONE step, yes, but it is not the ONLY step involved.

It's kind of like looking at a recipe for food and assuming that since the time it spends in the oven is 2 hours that it'll take about 2 hours to cook. It will take at LEAST 2 hours, plus an indeterminate amount of time past that. It may only take an extra 20 minutes to prepare the food--or an hour, or two-- but if you just account for the 120 minutes in the oven, you're gonna run out of time.

They do, I like art and I also like to preserve it in best possible quality.
What's the point in making something beautiful just to ruin it with artefacts and low quality, it brings out only one emotion and its far from pleasant.

I thought I basically already explained this?? Like, several times?

You misunderstood half of the stuff I wrote,

and I feel like you didn't read half of what I wrote.[/quote]

I don't know why you defend tumblr so passionately, did they pay you or what?

*stares*

I praised the social aspects of tumblr, which allows for easy sharing of art and other posts, which allows for greater visibility and interaction with your audience than a place like Deviantart which does not have any of these features. I've otherwise said repeatedly that they have room for improvement...

But no matter, lets just agree that if they won't return the raw link we need to inform as many artists as we could about the situation and ask them to upload a raw image somewhere every time they post and art and share a link to it.

Yes and no. An artist may not want to share the *raw* image, which may be very different from what they upload to tumblr. They *should* be made aware of how tumblr alters their image and that they should consider providing links to the uncompressed artwork.. :)

Also Sindoll has active pixiv and post almost every week. His tumblr got deleted for no damn reason and support never explained anything and refused to restore it saying that it was deleted for porn.

Duuuuude. I literally found the twitter post where he was talking about it. Porn. With. Minors.

Here. Here's the link to the original tweet: https://twitter.com/sindoll/status/880938878349094914

He replied, to someone, saying "I totally forgot myself, but I was depicting a minor with Better Shota painting ... I think that the possibility of it is high" (or, from Bing: "I had completely forgotten myself, but I was drawing a minor in the picture of Scrounge... I feel it is likely due to")

So... it basically sounds like, as I said, he drew a minor, and posted it in a place where sexual depictions of minors is not allowed.

Support DID explain it.

It DOES suck that they wouldn't let him delete that one post, and that they deleted his whole tumblr as a result and I think that that is a damn mess on tumblr's part, and very bad of them.

Sunibee tumblr you linked is not even his, the original one got deleted as well and he only post on twitter now.

I don't know how I'm supposed to know this information. But as I said, a search here (on e621) shows sex-with-minors happening in Sunibee's art, so I would assume that that's why they were deleted.

Because rules were broken.

If you break the rules you get punished. That is kind of the way things are supposed to work. I think the punishment can and should be different, but they still broke the rules. c_c

Krotgovnorot said:
Sunibee tumblr you linked is not even his, the original one got deleted as well and he only post on twitter now.

That is Sunibee's tumblr. He said himself that tumblr tried to delete his page, but fucked up because they're incompetent. It's still technically up, but he can't access it anymore.

Krotgovnorot said:
Spending literally 30-60 seconds to upload art on imgur or whatever else, such an effort.

> Complain how tumblr handles image files
> Suggests that imgurs JPG compression is somehow better
Because almost all imgur I have seen linked by artists have been artist posting PNG files there and imgur then handling it into pretty compressed JPG, hence why when tumblr raw situation was found, many of those said tumblr "full res" images were replaced with tumblr raws.

Also tumblrs image handling is still better from Furaffinity even with 1280 sample. This is the reason why I constantly give furaffinity so much hate all the time, because even if other sites aren't perfect either, furaffinity is still most used and is still worse.

Also I would seriously suggest listening to SnowWolf. It's not by coinsidence why so many artists usually have tons of abandoned accounts or only post on one or two places.

This thread just reveals how ignorant the average user is about image quality from various sources...I mean recommending Imgur as an alternative to Tumblr raws? TOP. KEK. I guess that would be fine if you completely ensure everything you post stays under 5MB, but if you go over they completely FUCK the quality, as in a 7MB JPEG will drop to like a 255kb JPEG...basically as compressed as possible.

So between imgur, tumblr, furaffinity, twitter, and patreon, which has the best and worst compression?

SnowBooties said:
So between imgur, tumblr, furaffinity, twitter, and patreon, which has the best and worst compression?

What about PhotoBucket?

As a general rule, we allow "not safe for work" ("NSFW") content that is not illegal, violent, hateful or otherwise deemed to be overtly offensive by us in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to change the designation of your Content and/or albums as from "public" to "private". We will not, however, change your "private" setting on your Content or albums to "public".

Only thing they do with it is mark explicit works as private so that you have to manually change them.

https://abload.de this site allows to you to upload any full picture you have, i don't if it has any compression.

example:

tumblr
http://geistbox.tumblr.com/post/173548699900/

abload
https://abload.de/img/octoboy2sgsz9.png