Got more stuff I want to get organized, this time markings of all kinds.

However there is at least one problem I thought of: As far as I understand from the wiki, markings are supposed to be used for fur, and tattoos for skin, however that is not followed and "fur-tattoos" are tagged with tattoo and non-fur markings are tagged with markings. I personally don't see the need to really make a hard distinction between fur/skin in this case, as if you want a furry with a tattoo, no matter how silly that sounds, why should you not be able to simply search for fur tattoo and the opposite -fur markings and still get the tattoos or markings you want?

I also first thought about implicating e.g. fingerless_(marking) to gloves_(marking), but then again you don't need the gloves marking just to have differently colored fingers. Also one might not want to group these larger "markings" with more uniform cover on the body together with the leg/arm variants which seem to be for smaller markings?

Slightly related topics:

• gloves_(marking) -> markings: forum #87278
• body_markings -> markings: forum #144202

Edit: A few additions, clean-up, color formatting, added very crude +1/-1 from @parasprite's comments. I'll try to update this again if we get some more work done.
Edit: A few approved implications.
Edit: Another batch of approved implications.

Chessax said:
Got more stuff I want to get organized, this time markings of all kinds.

Sounds like fun. I like the thought of getting this sorted out as it's needed a good combing for a while now.

However there is at least one problem I thought of: As far as I understand from the wiki, markings are supposed to be used for fur, and tattoos for skin

Wiki written in 2011 and never changed. No problem there as I doubt it ever matched that usage without constantly trying to fix them.

however that is not followed and "fur-tattoos" are tagged with tattoo and non-fur markings are tagged with markings. I personally don't see the need to really make a hard distinction between fur/skin in this case, as if you want a furry with a tattoo, no matter how silly that sounds, why should you not be able to simply search for fur tattoo and the opposite -fur markings and still get the tattoos or markings you want?

They kind of overlap a lot anyways, so I agree here. I really don't see a reason to make a distinction based on skin/fur considering it's not always obviously either (ponies for example aren't usually drawn with obvious tufts of fur).

Differently colored areas of the body sometimes fall more under markings (see socks_(marking)) other times they are more like humanish tattoos (see post #655762 post #656188 post #652493) and there's always the more ambiguous ones (see tribal_markings/tribal_tattoo).

I also first thought about implicating e.g. fingerless_(marking) to gloves_(marking), but then again you don't need the gloves marking just to have differently colored fingers. Also one might not want to group these larger "markings" with more uniform cover on the body together with the leg/arm variants which seem to be for smaller markings?

I'm leaning towards -1 on this. They are both hand markings but I think they are distinct enough on their own. I doubt many people know about the fingerless_(marking) tag at any rate.

On the other hand, I don't think I would notice if one of them was mistagged with the other, so I may not be the best judge here.

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Good stuff and well organized. Here are my thoughts in no particular order:

Some of them like scar_(marking) and mole_(marking) don't really fit very well in the markings tag, so I don't know that I'd imply them.

The color markings are probably okay, brown/tan/cream/beige is always a pain though. I like the idea of beige -> tan alias though (note to self: forum #150422)

fur_markings, I'd definitely agree with implication. (note to self: implication to fur as well)

Not sure about the leg/arm markings implications as they tend to refer to upper/lower leg/arm as opossed to the hands/feet. I think the facial_markings tag would really benefit from the implications though. (I never

stockings_(marking) - Equestrian term. It's pretty analogous to socks_(markings) so an alias would probably be fine.

chest/breast/butt/penis markings - No comment here.

blaze_(marking) - Another equestrian term, big white stripe thing on the face (no idea why it's called that). I think it may also refer to other white facial markings as well but I'm not 100% on that. I don't know that an implication to white_markings would work very well though when we can pick and choose the colors ourselvse.

Placeholder made

Made a very incomplete wiki entry for it: tag group:markings
Added this topic to the same

So would the XII in post #435683 as well as the thick dark stripes all just fall under markings?
Do we distinguish markings that are clearly representational (e.g. the XII or text in general) vs. geometric?

Oh wow, this has dropped so far down on my todo list it's not even funny.

doofhoofoof said:
So would the XII in post #435683 as well as the thick dark stripes all just fall under markings?
Do we distinguish markings that are clearly representational (e.g. the XII or text in general) vs. geometric?

The XII feels a lot like it would be a candidate for tattoo, i.e. "non-natural" marking (no matter if the guy was actually born with it (remember twys not twyk)). Markings tend to be more repetitive but less thought out or less intricate, e.g. regular lines or stripes, or more randomized like spots, rosettes or dots. While tattoos, well, are everything else, i.e. text, images, or other obviously "crafted" markings etc. A edge case would be tribal_tattoo vs tribal_markings, something I don't know what to do with atm.

Then we also have body_paint, but that's usually more obvious when to be used.

As to comment at @parasprite's comments:

I feel like scar_(marking) still has a place in markings, however some of the scar_(marking) should be in the tag used for the literal meaning, i.e. scar.

mole_(marking) however I could see left out from markings.

About the tags I placed under leg/arm markings, I'm fine with not implicating those, however, then the question is if we can keep people from not tagging those with the arm_markings/leg_markings? Otherwise it's kind of pointless not to implicate them.

Note: Gave OP an update.

(Thanks to all the admins/moderators/etc for all their great work on e621.
Now let's get back to the markings/tats/etc...)

Chessax said:
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However there is at least one problem I thought of: As far as I understand from the wiki, markings are supposed to be used for fur, and tattoos for skin, ...

Wondering what do do with scalies and dragons.
Generally dragons & scalies don't have fur, unless they something like a furred_dragon (7652 posts)

But tattoo tag(s) probably not appropriate because find it hard to imagine you could tattoo a scaly or dragon (what with the scales)...

markings wiki currently says "In furry characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur, rather than the skin."

Maybe add "scales" to that text resulting in something like:

"In furry characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur or scales, rather than the skin."
(bolding just make it easy to spot addition)

example of scaly (dragon) tagged with marking: post #1462518

"300" posts tagged with dragon AND *marking* : dragon *marking*

"300" posts with scalie AND *marking* : scalie *marking* (300 for BOTH? guessing system is estimating.)

(yes, maybe some of the markings will not be on the dragon or scalie, just gives us a selection where dragon or scalie may have marking)

post #16123 (character tag rithnok) tagged with star_marking , but 26 of Rithnok uploads also tagged with night_sky_body (66 uploads and has wiki). Assume tag of 16123 should be changed to night_sky_body.
(character sheet post #487339 )

ListerTheSquirrel said:
post #16123 (character tag rithnok) tagged with star_marking , but 26 of Rithnok uploads also tagged with night_sky_body (66 uploads and has wiki). Assume tag of 16123 should be changed to night_sky_body.
(character sheet post #487339 )

Hmmm...

Of note is:
Cosmic_hair with 759 posts
cosmic_wings with 24
cosmic_fur with 24
cosmic_feathers with 14

and a few scattered others. I want to say I tagged cosmic_fur a lot... but only after fidning cosmic hair.

I wannnna say that there were some other space-related words used for a few tags somewhere too...

I'm not sure I love cosmic as a word, but I think it makes more sence than night_sky

marking / tat relevant:

three uploads tagged with furtattoo (all three also tagged with mako_aluveaux character tag):
posts post #1151031 , post #1151026 and post #1151017 )

since fur doesn't get tattoed, changing furtattoo TO markings

Merge paw-shape_marking and pawprint_tattoo into
pawprint_marking ? (the pawprints all seem to be on fur)

Hello, I'm not sure if this is the exact thread I should post in (its on the tag group for markings) but anyway.

As I've seen in the collection above, what is the exact term of when the muzzle is entirely one color? I've seen it many times but never knew how it may be tagged.

Also, in the past, I tagged crescent_(marking) on many occasions, however it's now lumped into crescent_(shape), which includes actual physical objects. Is this correct?

Related to my above post which starts with

ListerTheSquirrel said:
(Thanks to all the admins/moderators/etc
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Wondering what do do with scalies and dragons.
Generally dragons & scalies don't have fur, unless they something like a furred_dragon (7652 posts)

But tattoo tag(s) probably not appropriate because find it hard to imagine you could tattoo a scaly or dragon (what with the scales)...

markings wiki currently says "In furry characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur, rather than the skin."

Maybe add "scales" to that text resulting in something like:

"In furry characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur or scales, rather than the skin."
(bolding just make it easy to spot addition)

....

markings wiki still says:
"In furry characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur, rather than the skin."

Since tags that imply to markings include
"scale_markings, ... beak_markings, ... wing_markings, ... genital_markings, ... hair_markings, ... tail_markings, ... eye_markings, ..."
and no one replied to my suggestion (10 months ago) of adding "or scales" to wiki,
am thinking of changing markings wiki to:
"In anthro characters, a Marking is a pattern or design on the character's body, similar to a tattoo, but on the fur (or other body surface such as scale, beak, eye, hair, or wing), rather than the skin."

Since tags that imply to markings include: scale_markings, beak_markings, wing_markings, genital_markings, and whisker_markings.

I added some to markings wiki:
FROM "similar to a tattoo, but on the fur, rather than the skin."
TO "similar to a tattoo, but on NON-skin bodyparts such as fur, scale(s), feather(s), and/or beak."

(EDIT: not sure about including "bodyparts" (change to "surface bodyparts?),
but i wanted to put "NON-skin" before "fur, scale(s),..."
because putting a long-ish list (of "fur, scale(s), ..."
and then "rather than the skin" seemed a little clunky.)

listerthesquirrel said:
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Since tags that imply to markings include "... hair_markings, ..."

As we see in quote above, hair_markings used to imply to markings

but it now aliases to highlights_(coloring)

Assuming that means a color pattern in hair no longer qualifies as a marking,
I searched general *hair* tags and found no hair equivalent to fur markings.

(closest was various *_hair_accessory tags, such as
frog_hair_accessory , crescent_hair_accessory , star_hair_accessory, etc)

Noticed some art depicting character Luna_Paws tagged with cresent_moon_(marking) (crescent in her hair and nowhere else), but the shape doesn't look like it is hair,
so changing those uploads from cresent_moon_(marking) TO crescent_hair_accessory.

(note about cresent_moon_(marking) tag: proper spelling is crescent, not cresent. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent )