Aliasing phantom_the_fox → phantomfullforce
Link to alias

Reason:

PhantomFullForce is the name of the character owner. It's a better identifier and it's easier to tag as it's on the ref sheets, for example http://d.facdn.net/art/silvixen/1451631521/1451631521.silvixen_ia48.png

EDIT: The tag alias phantom_the_fox -> phantom_(phantomfullforce) (forum #230075) has been approved by @bitWolfy.

You're suggesting to alias the character to the character owner...?

Yes, art with this character is rarely labeled phantom_the_fox, it's usually phantomfullforce or just phantom. So let's use phantomfullforce.

Generally speaking character names in the format bob_the_cat and thomas_the_dog are not useful. They should be tagged with name and species separate, and if the name is confusing or not unique (like Phantom) then we look at the character owner's name.

Phantomfullforce is synonymous with the character.

leomole said:
Yes, art with this character is rarely labeled phantom_the_fox, it's usually phantomfullforce or just phantom. So let's use phantomfullforce.

Generally speaking character names in the format bob_the_cat and thomas_the_dog are not useful. They should be tagged with name and species separate, and if the name is confusing or not unique (like Phantom) then we look at the character owner's name.

Phantomfullforce is synonymous with the character.

No, it isn't. An artist tag is an artist tag, and a character tag is a character tag.

I think you've misunderstood something, none of the tags discussed in this thread are artist tags?

All I'm saying is phantomfullforce is a better identifier than phantom_the_fox for this character post #415518.

leomole said:
I think you've misunderstood something, none of the tags discussed in this thread are artist tags?

All I'm saying is phantomfullforce is a better identifier than phantom_the_fox for this character post #415518.

You are suggesting to alias away a character tag. And you are even replacing it with a character owner tag, which I am under the impression will have a tag catagory. But even without that, the character is not the character owner![/b]-1, no source evidence that the character name was changed, which'd make the current tag inaccurate. Here's the proper ref sheet.

I'm not suggesting we alias anything away, I'm just saying phantomfullforce is a better name than phantom_the_fox.

You guys seem to be misinterpreting this in the least charitable way possible. There's plenty of precedent for this practice.

As you can see we usually use format 2 in this situation, when the character is essentially synonymous with the character owner and there's no full name for the character.

You are suggesting an alias request, a literal replacement of one tag for another... yet "I am not suggesting we alias anything away..."? It is in the thread down to the first post!

At this point, I am gonna withhold any rational argument until you prove you are not trolling us.

You were concerned about aliasing away a character tag, like changing the tag category. That's not what I'm suggesting. It's just a name change. I don't think it would be correct to call that "aliasing away."

You think I'm trolling? You really think the privileged user who has laid out a clear, consistent argument with plenty of references is trolling? That's just insulting. You disagree with the alias? Sure, nbd, I'm happy to discuss its pros and cons. You want to bow out of the discussion? No problem, I won't be offended. But accusing me of trolling? That's lazy and low.

leomole said:
You were concerned about aliasing away a character tag, like changing the tag category. That's not what I'm suggesting. It's just a name change. I don't think it would be correct to call that "aliasing away."

You think I'm trolling? You really think the privileged user who has laid out a clear, consistent argument with plenty of references is trolling? That's just insulting. You disagree with the alias? Sure, nbd, I'm happy to discuss its pros and cons. You want to bow out of the discussion? No problem, I won't be offended. But accusing me of trolling? That's lazy and low.

Should I repeat myself? Your status means nothing in an argument about an alias request where you are proven wrong. Not even admins do that... And unlike you, I do not find trolling to be a low blow, I find it a weak argument if you are trying to prove yourself right.

So prove. Yourself. Right.

My status should suggest to you that I care about and contribute to this site. That I am submitting an alias suggestion in good faith. That I am not trolling.

If you don't think an accusation of trolling is low, that's fine. But to me when you claim that I'm misusing the forum for shits and giggles instead of trying to improve the site, that's rude and insulting. A cursory glance at my profile should show that this is not true, so it's intellectually dishonest to call me a troll instead of addressing the argument at hand.

And of course it's that very argument I'm putting forth to prove my point. I think the table above, which you've decided to ignore, makes it quite clear that phantomfullforce is a more useful and consistent tag than phantom_the_fox. That's what the half dozen examples show. Do you have any questions about the table?

leomole said:
My status should suggest to you that I care about and contribute to this site. That I am submitting an alias suggestion in good faith. That I am not trolling.

If you don't think an accusation of trolling is low, that's fine. But to me when you claim that I'm misusing the forum for shits and giggles instead of trying to improve the site, that's rude and insulting. A cursory glance at my profile should show that this is not true, so it's intellectually dishonest to call me a troll instead of addressing the argument at hand.

And of course it's that very argument I'm putting forth to prove my point. I think the table above, which you've decided to ignore, makes it quite clear that phantomfullforce is a more useful and consistent tag than phantom_the_fox. That's what the half dozen examples show. Do you have any questions about the table?

Why yes actually: why are you ignoring that the tag you suggest is a character owner's name?

And let me further: why did you lie to me about aliases, saying you aren't suggesting one (lying is a real dick move in an argument); why did you bring up your status as privileged in this argument, where it is irrelevant to the topic (like I'm not caring about this site, and privileged+ were handed out like candy, and statuses do not represent who or what the person is, giving a person a mask and telling them to act like it doesn't change that they're a human being).

I mean, if we are to act like gentlepeople for a moment, maybe we can come to a conclusion that doesn't involve replacing the character for the character owner, yet can include both. I am obviously hinting at using the character owner as a _(*) suffix.

Siral_Exan said:
why are you ignoring that the tag you suggest is a character owner's name?

I'm not. In fact the first sentence I wrote is "PhantomFullForce is the name of the character owner."

Siral_Exan said:
why did you lie to me about aliases, saying you aren't suggesting one

I think it's quite clear that I've not lied. I think you are again being disingenuous by deliberately misinterpreting my comments, and I really don't appreciate it. Please stop being obtuse and start contributing to the discussion.

Siral_Exan said:
why did you bring up your status as privileged

Because (as I just said) that's one reason your accusation of trolling is so insulting.

Siral_Exan said:
if we are to act like gentlepeople

Yes, let's. If you could withhold from accusing me of lying or trolling and focus on the pros and cons of the suggested alias this would be a much more pleasant and productive thread.

Siral_Exan said:
using the character owner as a _(*) suffix

That would be fine, and it too is not without precedent, but phantom_(phantomfullforce) strikes me as redundant. And if we did go this route, we should alias the tags referenced above to be consistent. foxgear -> gear_(foxgear), vindictiivespet -> vindictiive_(vindictiivespet), anubislivess -> anubis_(anubislivess) etc. It seems rather silly.

leomole said:
That would be fine, and it too is not without precedent, but phantom_(phantomfullforce) strikes me as redundant. And if we did go this route, we should alias the tags referenced above to be consistent. foxgear -> gear_(foxgear), vindictiivespet -> vindictiive_(vindictiivespet), anubislivess -> anubis_(anubislivess) etc. It seems rather silly.

Well, I am a testament against creativity that prevents redundancy, but that is real life. Some people just aren't creative, and the path of least resistance is to follow a singular theme. If this occurs where a person (like me, and even my grandpa) uses a single name for most everything that they do, we should probably follow suit to avoid confusion for their audience.

Furthermore, they have ununique names for all of their characters, and using the Character Owner's name is intuitive for those scenarios; it shouldn't be hard to recognize that it's the suffix given to their characters.

For the record, phantomfullforce FA userpage says:

"Current character refs (click on their names):
Phantom the Fox
Spectre the Fox-Moth
Banshee the Sergal
Scorpio the Deer
Gallop the Horse
Vanquish the Dragon
Chums the African Wild Dog"

So
1) the userpage has character as "Phantom the Fox"
2) phantomfullforce has more than one character.

I see two model sheets of the character:
latest sheet) https://www.furaffinity.net/view/10833126/ (which Siral Exan linked to) has character name as "Phantom" on sheet (with description including "Phantom and Ref Sheet Edits © me").
older sheet) https://www.furaffinity.net/view/9899339/ also has character name as "Phantom" on sheet (with description including "Phantom © me".

seems like a ok character tag to me,
although it sounds like phantom_(phantomfullforce) (already mentioned by others in thread) may be more accurate.

leomole said:
... And if we did go this route, we should alias the tags referenced above to be consistent. foxgear -> gear_(foxgear), ...

Well, foxgear has various characters
so at forum #260979 I suggested foxgear -> foxgear_(disambiguation), with Gear character tag being gear_(foxgear).

That's a good point. In that case +1 phantom_the_fox → phantom_(phantomfullforce), spectre_the_fox-moth → spectre_(phantomfullforce) and so on.

The tag alias phantom_the_fox -> phantom_(phantomfullforce) (forum #230075) has been approved by @bitWolfy.