Aliasing brat → invalid_tag
Link to alias

Reason:

Vague and subjective.

EDIT: The tag alias brat -> invalid_tag (forum #276907) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.

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How should one find this stereotype through other tags?

I don't believe this tag is very vague. It would apply in any situation featuring a young (usually?) or spoiled character depicting a bad attitude towards someone or something.

It doesn't seem like personality stereotypes are commonly tagged in general here, which makes it hard to find certain stereotypes. I don't think we should be invalidating personality tags. We should be using them more often, myself included.

TheVileOne said:
How should one find this stereotype through other tags?

I don't believe this tag is very vague. It would apply in any situation featuring a young (usually?) or spoiled character depicting a bad attitude towards someone or something.

It doesn't seem like personality stereotypes are commonly tagged in general here, which makes it hard to find certain stereotypes. I don't think we should be invalidating personality tags. We should be using them more often, myself included.

If you actually look into the tag, you see that it gets tagged on pretty much anything except what you described it should be used for.
post #1763362
this is tagged as brat
post #1800604
this is tagged as brat
post #1949193
this is tagged as brat
post #1325007
this is tagged as brat

It's super subjective, pretty much every single person who has ever used the tag seems to have different idea of what the tag is for, and there is actually no way to tag something like character personalities since the tagging system operates by the "tag what you see, not what you know" principle, and text is ignored besides some generic text describing tags.

If you really need a way to collect your personal idea of some specific subjective thing, that is what sets are for.

hiekkapillu said:
things

I agree that people aren't following the TWYS rule and using external information about the character. The last example is an exception. One of the characters is wearing a shirt identifying himself as a brat, which I don't think is a reliable indicator of a character trait.

The lack of a wiki page essentially means this tag can mean anything anyone wants it to mean.

I would push for brat to be aliased to bratty. The types of posts should fit a certain stereotype if everyone followed the TWYS rules. There might be grey areas, but I think there is a clear purpose for this type of tag.

Meh. Maybe I'm just being overly optimistic and it will only be tagged by people who don't pay attn to tagging guidelines. If people respected the wiki definition if it was created, then it wouldn't be as subjective as you are making it seem.

Also it is unfortunate that we can't have nice things because people can't follow guidelines.

This stereotype doesn't seem properly tagged in general. All of the tags that I associate with the stereotype are underused, or just don't exist. Maybe it is true that almost no one has uploaded this stereotype to this site, but I highly doubt that.

TheVileOne said:
I agree that people aren't following the TWYS rule and using external information about the character. The last example is an exception. One of the characters is wearing a shirt identifying himself as a brat, which I don't think is a reliable indicator of a character trait.

hiekkapillu said:
and text is ignored besides some generic text describing tags

And my point still stands. This is extremely vague and subjective, and far more suitable for sets.

hiekkapillu said:
And my point still stands. This is extremely vague and subjective, and far more suitable for sets.

It just isn't though. You may argue it is ambiguous, and people may mistag it, which could also be said about other valid tags. The definition I'd want to use it for is very specific and strongly implied in the images. This trope is more common in comics, where the intention is specifically to have a brat stereotype character.

Far easier to imply personalities across multiple comic panels or through dialogue.

But i'm going to clarify that bratty makes more sense than brat. The tag should refer to the way a character is behaving in the image, not a trait associated with a character.

hiekkapillu said:
Aliasing brat → invalid_tag
Link to alias

Reason:

Vague and subjective.

+1

TheVileOne said:
How should one find this stereotype through other tags?

I don't believe this tag is very vague. It would apply in any situation featuring a young (usually?) or spoiled character depicting a bad attitude towards someone or something.

It doesn't seem like personality stereotypes are commonly tagged in general here, which makes it hard to find certain stereotypes. I don't think we should be invalidating personality tags. We should be using them more often, myself included.

Instead of insisting on a tag that represents a character archetype that has subjective criteria, create a tag that is defined by specific common visual behaviors and actions, "non-compliance" or "disobedient" comes to mind in the definition you describe here, they would follow the same general reference points of action and body language that are also utilized for tags like rape.

Also a wiki would not have solved the issue of mistags in the "brat" or "bratty" tag.

Darou said:
+1
Instead of insisting on a tag that represents a character archetype that has subjective criteria, create a tag that is defined by specific common visual behaviors and actions, "non-compliance" or "disobedient" comes to mind in the definition you describe here, they would follow the same general reference points of action and body language that are also utilized for tags like rape.

Also a wiki would not have solved the issue of mistags in the "brat" or "bratty" tag.

There will be overlap for these circumstances. Searching would always include false positive results. Also as I said before the tags either are undertagged or don't exist that are associated with those behaviors. I could go through and populate those tags and there is a good chance I will.

I'm just going to disagree about mistag for bratty. Brat refers to a character. Bratty refers to behaviour by definition.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/bratty

Anyways the possibility of mistagging isn't a problem in and of itself. Just because some people don't understand the concept of TWYS doesn't mean that tags like this are invalid. If they are, then a rather large number of other useful tags would also be invalid as long as people might mistag based on character information like any profession related tag.

The only reason brat is full of mistags is that people who tag properly aren't using the tag. I wonder how many mistag bisexual. It's currently a valid tag.

+1. However, my first thought at seeing the tag was those brat girls from Crash of the Titans, which already have their own tag.

hiekkapillu said:
post #1949193
this is tagged as brat

This one is also tagged as "badgirl", which is pretty vague. Either it's a female version of a "badboy" (e.g. a biker dude or something) or it means "batgirl" (which would be the wrong tag, since it refers to the DC Comics superheroine).

Bump, I was going to make one like this because I saw this:

post #2002834

Maybe "disobedient" would be better? I don't think any of it applies to the mentioned image.

+1
Entirely too subjective, and bratty wouldn't make it any less subjective. Something like haughty would work better (for post #1949193 type), and some should be sorted to tantrum instead.

The bulk update request #1287 is active.

change category brat (1) -> invalid
change category bratty (0) -> invalid

Reason: per the above posts

EDIT: The bulk update request #1287 (forum #316227) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Shouldn't these still be combined to decrease the number of tags that need looking at? alias brat -> bratty

The bulk update request #1287 (forum #316227) has been approved by @Rainbow_Dash.

Error: Error: Antecedent name has already been taken (create alias brat -> bratty)

Oh, that's this thread's opening request. That needs to be denied in order to alias brat and bratty together.

The tag alias brat -> invalid_tag (forum #276907) has been rejected by @bitWolfy.