It's been getting worse and worse for the past two years. Overly sensitive users, sjw mods, and stronger conduct policies. Even the tags are starting to conform to political correctness and social justice, now.

This isn't fun anymore for us (relatively) normal people.

First rule of business: Remain politically neutral, or you'll be bankrupt in five years.

E621 is developing a serious limp in one leg.

Good luck with that. I'll be adding a few lines to my hosts file, if you need any advice or hel~*Click-eeeeeeeeee...*

I think I know who made the 10 shitpost accounts.

I don't think conduct policies have actually changed, there is just a larger influx of people reporting people for being nasty.

Okay bye.

I'm a penismorph

I'm highly anti-sjw, so I can safely assume what you are talking about is "our banning of freedom of speech", since people on the "anti-sjw" side of politics make a embarrassment of us by using that as a way to ignore rules. (Yes, both sides suck ass, just a different flavour ass. Thank God gen Z likes to eat ass so much, so they don't have to worry about it.)
Freedom of speech doesn't apply here(or anywhere online for that matter). You can be Republican or Democrat, either way we will not let people use hate speech(ACTUAL hate speech) in our comment section. Doesn't matter who it is targetted to, minorities or majorities, hate speech is hate speech.
We try to let people have freedom to comment and post what they want, but people think rules don't exist then blame it on admins either being sjw or alt-right. Thing is, these rules have been in place way longer than the political divide we are seeing today.

Things that get us called "sjw"s:
1. One common complaint is that we warn people for creepy comments. Sorry but people don't want to know how "rock hard" your erection is, or how you want to fuck x character. We are not a porn site, we are a archive. Sure we have porn but a majority of stuff furries draw is porn. Museums have porn in them sometimes, but that doesn't mean you should say out loud "oh God I want to cum in Mona Lisa's pussy".
2. When we warn people to not use hateful language. I mean like come on, this should be obvious. We are doing this because there are many people who access the site. You can use the n word else where, we don't care, just don't put it on our site because we do try to be inclusive and don't like people feeling unwelcome. The same goes for calling people other words, including saltine cracker except not that you know what I mean.
3. Changing tags to be less vulgar. We didn't change it because of pressure from "sjw"s. We changed dickgirl and cuntboy to gynomorph and andromorph because they sound better and are scientific terminology with actual dictionary definitions. In fact we got complaints from "sjw"s that these tags were no better or even worse than the original.

Things that get us called alt-right:
1. Enforcing tag what you see. If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Same idea with gender. If something looks female, it gets tagged female. People don't want to search "male solo" and see solo females. I understand that some people identify as the opposite sex, we are not getting mental gender, we are tagging what is seen so our search works properly.
2. Using tags like Herm. Herms have been around a long time in the furry fandom. Way longer than transgender people have been widespreadly open. It isn't a fetishising transgender thing, those characters are not transgender, they are hermaphrodites. Humans cannot be hermaphrodites. Same idea with cuntboys and dickgirls. Not transgender, they were born that way.
3. Not policing names. Recently someone registered a bunch of accounts called gayprideissin, and stopfaggotmadness. I originally saw these reports, I went to close them as "we don't police usernames". I only banned them because they were obvious troll accounts and also account spam. Now if it was just one account it would have stayed, and this upsets people, but we don't police usernames. That's been the policy since forever and changing it now would be too much of a hassle, and conflict with artists with established names like niggerfaggot.

As you can see, enforcing our rules is a lose/lose situation. We don't pick a political side, we pick the "our rules are law and you will abide by them regardless of your political affiliation, else we will break a door off in your ass." side. Which we feel is pretty neutral considering it pisses off both political sides.

A important aspect of being a administrator is to put your political opinions aside and treat the rules as the only opinion. We have admins of all views on our team, but we detach out opinions and affiliations when enforcing the rules.

In the end, we try to be as equal, fair, and neutral as possible, but no matter what we do, both sides call us their enemy. Simple answer is to just start saying "we hate you all equally with love <3" at the end of every controversial action, but I don't think higher ups would allow us.

I hope this clears up our situation for you.
If not, feel free to send me a DMail and I'll explain why we did a specific thing and why we were not politically forced, influenced, or pressured into doing specific thing.

You know that one video with pornstars complaining that comments about fucking them never describe how they'd fuck them?

For every 10 comments we get calling us SJWs/alt-right or whatever, 9 of them never explain what it is we do that gives you that impression. How do you expect us to fix what you never explain?

anyways lol at us going bankrupt

Chaser said:
3. Changing tags to be less vulgar. We didn't change it because of pressure from "sjw"s. We changed dickgirl and cuntboy to gynomorph and andromorph because they sound better and are scientific terminology with actual dictionary definitions. In fact we got complaints from "sjw"s that these tags were no better or even worse than the original.

I was pretty lukewarm to the change since they've always been dickgirls and cuntboys to me, but your comment makes me really confused. If nobody was happy with the change, and everybody already knew what dickgirl and cuntboy meant, then why change them?

Lmao. Half the internet thinks furries are degenerate nazis and the other half thinks they're degenerate sjw's. Can't catch a break.

I doubt OP speaks for all, or even a majority, of (relatively) normal people. I certainly have no issues with the change. In fact, OP's statement only really makes sense to me if it's assumed they're out to cause trouble or have been in trouble before.

Pichi said:
I was pretty lukewarm to the change since they've always been dickgirls and cuntboys to me, but your comment makes me really confused. If nobody was happy with the change, and everybody already knew what dickgirl and cuntboy meant, then why change them?

Because the older terms caused issues including, but not limited to, artist takedowns and complaints about unwanted vulgarity. The terms were intended to be replaced for years, except I don't think anybody knew exactly what to replace them with until now.

As for the effects of the change, if I'm not mistaken, at least one of those artists restored their takedowns because of the change. Fewer people are complaining about vulgarity, although that peeve seems to have been replaced with grumblings from people who dislike the change.

MooshiMoosh said:
A bunch of whiny garbage.

You lost credibility with me the second you said "SJW" and called yourself normal and everyone else not. Bye, Felicia. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

To me the "stronger conduct policies" is the main reason why I visit E621 so much, the things that people write on Gelbooru or Rule34 comments are disgusting most of the time, sometimes outright disturbing, here on E621 these types of comments are very rare and usually downvoted to hell so you can't even see them unless you want to.

IIRMPII said:
To me the "stronger conduct policies" is the main reason why I visit E621 so much, the things that people write on Gelbooru or Rule34 comments are disgusting most of the time, sometimes outright disturbing, here on E621 these types of comments are very rare and usually downvoted to hell so you can't even see them unless you want to.

I agree. I appreciate that the rules are enforced here.

If you think that "don't broadcast your sexual desires to complete strangers, treat others with basic respect and don't stir shit" is some sort of unbearable extreme SJW dictature, for love of god take a moment to think about your behavior and attitude.

This kinda touches the topic that I have had on mind from time to time, which is the public image the site has versus what it does.

Because there are things like unofficial facebook page which is pretty much just posting furry memes and shitposting with e621 involved sometimes. However meanwhile, the website on itself is trying to maintain archive of furry artwork with proper tags and sources.

Because there's sometimes cases of shitposts surfacing in approval queue and many artists thinking that doing artwork of esix will be automatic approval.

This is also why I think I also got shit for saying that e621 is not a pornsite, because many users do come here with mind that this is and then we have this kind of disconnection with what they thought this site is supposed to be versus what it is. It's completely fine to use this as pornsite, but at the same time if you think it's one, doesn't justify going againts the rules that has been pretty much the same for years and years now.

Even tags are still objective data to work with using computer database. The title of the tag is technically irrelevant as long as it's doing the dedicated job for it. This is why I have always been angry towards people who do get offended by them, because somehow objective data and reality are bad and wrong and -phobic, but if we can make tags labels more objective that's always good.

I would've maybe said something also about old staff, but as OP registered at 2017, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also gay was aliased to male/male back in 2015, so another point for "tags are starting to conform to political correctness...worse for the past two years"

Yeah, I don't think E6 will be "bankrupt" any time soon. Don't know what the OPs idea of fun is for "normal" people. People of varying backgrounds use this site. To say that it's not fun anymore is not how I would describe it considering it's kinda entertaining to see how things like this forum play out.

@Chaser: I think you hit the nail right on the head. I can see that you enforcing the rules kind of a lose/lose situation. Damned if you do damned if you don't. But at least you're doing.

I preffered using cuntboy and dickgirl on the basis that I simply grew up with it. Had no idea the change was due to scientific terminology. I mean, I'll always personally continue to use those terms but I appreciate a brief explanation.

@Mairo: human beings may not be perfect, but a computer program with language synthesis is hardly the answer to the worlds problems

I do appreciate an actual person like you dealing with behind the scenes data on an image archive. I agree that E6 doesn't serve as just porno site. It houses useful things like how to get best quality things and some useful "how to" instructions that help with collecting content from various sites. The community is actually pretty helpful and supportive eg. The artist image source request thread. I grew more acclimated to the functionality of E6 through the help I got from users and staff alike. I may not see it and I may not know how the inner workings of how e6 data function, but it's appreciated that the site isn't run entirely by machine or bots.

With that said, I doubt the op will read this if they did actually leave. That or they're just lurking and giving themselves a pat on the back for trying to cause a stir. However, as I read through some of this forums posts, people are pretty level headed about it.

Chaser said:
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Funny how people complain about lack of freedom of speech on websites, like they are ran in a democratic manner. All websites I've seen are ran in a more autocratic manner, so whatever rules are made by the owner/staff are meant to be followed and an uproar won't change anything since the users have no direct power over deciding that, the owner/staff does. Sure, they could persuade them to change it, but at the end of the day, the decision is up to the owner/staff and everyone else is meant to follow the rules.

lol bye.

Pichi said:
I was pretty lukewarm to the change since they've always been dickgirls and cuntboys to me, but your comment makes me really confused. If nobody was happy with the change, and everybody already knew what dickgirl and cuntboy meant, then why change them?

Because even though some people disliked it, some people liked it. Plus it was on our "tag changes to do" list for a long time.

When you're repeatedly getting in trouble for being an asshole, maybe the problem is yourself instead of other people.

K cya

the alt-right liberal nazi sjw mods really are out of control

Also:

First rule of business: Remain politically neutral, or you'll be bankrupt in five years.

Meanwhile, in the real world, many comic book icons literally started out as political propaganda. Where did you pull this horseshit from?

Pichi said:
I was pretty lukewarm to the change since they've always been dickgirls and cuntboys to me, but your comment makes me really confused. If nobody was happy with the change, and everybody already knew what dickgirl and cuntboy meant, then why change them?

Including what chaser said, it also fits a little better on safe posts

I wonder if people even realize that this whole 'anti-SJW' craze is inherently anti-left in general and in all likelyhood just a propaganda campaign originating in far right extremism.

Also this probably needs to be locked

FurZ said:
I wonder if people even realize that this whole 'anti-SJW' craze is inherently anti-left in general and in all likelyhood just a propaganda campaign originating in far right extremism.

Also this probably needs to be locked

Did you even read what others wrote?

felix_nermix said:
Did you even read what others wrote?

Yes. Did you?

FurZ said:
Yes. Did you?

Yes, I did.

I think the problem is that a lot of users are from the United States of America: Only two well known political parties, only two major points of view. If you are in between, both sides hate you.

FurZ said:
When you're repeatedly getting in trouble for being an asshole, maybe the problem is yourself instead of other people.

That's even better, right? Either OP's transgressions have decayed, or they were never dinged in the first place.

ikdind said:
That's even better, right? Either OP's transgressions have decayed, or they were never dinged in the first place.

Or he's roleplaying some kind of oppression fantasy in his head for being told not to treat various minorities like trash.

LoneWolf343 said:
Also:

Meanwhile, in the real world, many comic book icons literally started out as political propaganda. Where did you pull this horseshit from?

X-D Now only I noticed this. What's the difference between politically neutral and politically correct? Is there one? For, OP seems to be demanding one and abhorring the other.

urielfrys said:
X-D Now only I noticed this. What's the difference between politically neutral and politically correct? Is there one? For, OP seems to be demanding one and abhorring the other.

Politically correct = Taking the "safe" route as to avoid offending anyone and everyone. This often also includes bowing to even the lightest pressure or criticism, be it banning users or forcing staff to "resign"(AKA: "You're fired but we don't want to say it ourselves so we are going to use lawyers and stuff unless you resign"). Typically this is left leaning approach that most corporate shills giants take.
Politically neutral = Not taking a side at all. This route typically takes note that "You can't please everyone, and someone is going to get offended at some point for one reason or another". Some sites(Often non-profits) that understand everyone is different, such as Wikipedia and EFF, tend to try and take this approach.

Chaser said:
Politically correct = Taking the "safe" route as to avoid offending anyone and everyone. This often also includes bowing to even the lightest pressure or criticism, be it banning users or forcing staff to "resign"(AKA: "You're fired but we don't want to say it ourselves so we are going to use lawyers and stuff unless you resign"). Typically this is left leaning approach that most corporate shills giants take.
Politically neutral = Not taking a side at all. This route typically takes note that "You can't please everyone, and someone is going to get offended at some point for one reason or another". Some sites(Often non-profits) that understand everyone is different, such as Wikipedia and EFF, tend to try and take this approach.

There's no such thing as being politically neutral since 'neutrality' just sways towards the existent political bias within a milieu. You may think you are neutral, but you are not. You are not immune to propaganda.

iceink said:
There's no such thing as being politically neutral since 'neutrality' just sways towards the existent political bias within a milieu. You may think you are neutral, but you are not. You are not immune to propaganda.

Can you stop pretentiously parroting your own influences before assuming how impressionable everyone else is? Thanks

Yeah, I think the OP is not going to respond to this thread they made...

From what I read about this thread, the OP seems to dislike the "gynomorph" tag despite being a safe term as possible and people keep misusing herm and trans.

Seems even a compromise gets haters. TV Tropes calls it the Golden Mean Fallacy.

Knotty_Curls said:
Can you stop pretentiously parroting your own influences before assuming how impressionable everyone else is? Thanks

I think what you've said to iceink was very disrespectful. I think the "you" in their statement was a generic person, not the person they were responding to, and iceink's statement wasn't wrong. It's a well-known axiom.

This reeks awfully like a flame bait post.

Hope OP finds like-minded people in where ever the hell he is.

Aanyi said:
This reeks awfully like a flame bait post.

Hope OP finds like-minded people in where ever the hell he is.

Stormfront.org?

Knotty_Curls said:
Can you stop pretentiously parroting your own influences before assuming how impressionable everyone else is? Thanks

If it seems pretentious, it's probably because the criticism is applicable to you.

Everyone is impressionable because everyone can be manipulated. Some are just less impressionable than others. The difference is being aware of the manipulation.

Refusing to accept constructive criticism won't make you less impressionable, but you will become more arrogant.

Retard said:
Including what chaser said, it also fits a little better on safe posts

I...really can't think of any way the tags in question could ever belong on a post rated safe. Questionable, yes, but not safe.

Jacob said:
I...really can't think of any way the tags in question could ever belong on a post rated safe. Questionable, yes, but not safe.

dickgirl rated:s
cuntboy rated:s

Jacob said:
I...really can't think of any way the tags in question could ever belong on a post rated safe. Questionable, yes, but not safe.

Slight cameltoes and slight bulges fall under safe.

I think french fries and ice cream are an underrated duo

iceink said:
If it seems pretentious, it's probably because the criticism is applicable to you.

Everyone is impressionable because everyone can be manipulated. Some are just less impressionable than others. The difference is being aware of the manipulation.

Refusing to accept constructive criticism won't make you less impressionable, but you will become more arrogant.

If you're going to come brandishing a gun, I'm going to call you out on it.

That is not constructive criticism. That is making claims without sources or explanation. If it's such a well known axiom, please explain it for the laymen. I'm not about to blindly accept that.

Come with a loaded gun. Don't be surprised when someone pulls theirs.

iceink said:
There's no such thing as being politically neutral since 'neutrality' just sways towards the existent political bias within a milieu. You may think you are neutral, but you are not. You are not immune to propaganda.

If we take that at face value you're also providing propaganda with this very statement, as it's explicitly politically loaded.

NotMeNotYou said:
If we take that at face value you're also providing propaganda with this very statement, as it's explicitly politically loaded.

Everything is political.

iceink said:
Everything is political.

Is dust political?

iceink said:
Everything is political.

...that's one of the stupidest statements I've ever heard. For clarification, 'cause I know how easily people get offended these days, especially on the internet: I'm not calling you stupid. Perfectly intelligent people are perfectly capable of saying incredibly stupid things. I guarantee you even Stephen Hawking said some dumb things in his lifetime. But the statement you made? Absolutely moronic.

Wow, I didn't know my french fries and ice cream were active members of the political community

There are no other fields that suffer as much from the Dunning–Kruger effect as politics.

Not taking a political line can be considered as reinforcing status quo, hence everything is political.
IceInk seems to know his stuff at least, but calling such basic political concept stupid is quite unfortunate.

BirdOfGrain said:
There are no other fields that suffer as much from the Dunning–Kruger effect as politics.

Not taking a political line can be considered as reinforcing status quo, hence everything is political.
IceInk seems to know his stuff at least, but calling such basic political concept stupid is quite unfortunate.

I think naive is a better word than unfortunate

iceink said:
Everything is political.

Not the aspect I tried to highlight, but sure.

BirdOfGrain said:
There are no other fields that suffer as much from the Dunning–Kruger effect as politics.

Not taking a political line can be considered as reinforcing status quo, hence everything is political.
IceInk seems to know his stuff at least, but calling such basic political concept stupid is quite unfortunate.

Atheism and agnosticism can also be considered religions for the sake of simplicity, but it should be questioned if such a simplification is actually useful, or might even be misleading. Especially in politics insisting someone supports something purely because they don't readily speak out against it is regularly used as a preamble for dishonest discourse.

TheHuskyK9 said:
Wow, I didn't know my french fries and ice cream were active members of the political community

Trying to describe something as apolitical makes it a conversation in the context of politics, which means in this case, it is political.

Update on the OP. OP seems to have commented on posts related to equine vaginas, particularly MLP.

NotMeNotYou said:
Not the aspect I tried to highlight, but sure.

Atheism and agnosticism can also be considered religions for the sake of simplicity, but it should be questioned if such a simplification is actually useful, or might even be misleading. Especially in politics insisting someone supports something purely because they don't readily speak out against it is regularly used as a preamble for dishonest discourse.

It's not dishonest at all. In a society where the cultural norm is "gay people should have less rights the het people" being 'neutral' lends to that norm being further culturally entrenched.

iceink said:
Trying to describe something as apolitical makes it a conversation in the context of politics, which means in this case, it is political.

Does that mean when ever I say "I'm getting tired of this shit" when in reverence to a topic that the conversation is about poo? Or is it a euphemism.

iceink said:
In a society where the cultural norm is "gay people should have less rights the het people"

And, pray-tell, just what culture are you talking about?

Retard said:
Does that mean when ever I say "I'm getting tired of this shit" when in reverence to a topic that the conversation is about poo? Or is it a euphemism.

No, because that's not the intent of the message. But the intent of saying something can't be political in the context of politics is to undermine the relevance of a political message. Saying "I didn't know my engagement ring was political" in response to "same-sex marriage is political" is still political.

iceink said:
Everything is political.

This is only true if your definition of "political" is so vague and encompassing that the word loses all meaning, and absolutely is not the meaning of the word that people use in the parlance of our times. This all just reads like grasping at straws to push this stance that everything, deliberately or not, is a component towards advancing an agenda, which is not true. The fact that things can become politicized to begin with says it all, really. The roundness of the earth is not a political issue, nor is the blueness of the sky. A few nutjobs disagreeing with you here and there isn't politics.

BirdOfGrain said:

Not taking a political line can be considered as reinforcing status quo, hence everything is political.

That does not make any sense.

You would have a decent argument if you were talking about people not taking any political stances throughout their whole lives, which would be implicitly supporting the status quo. But to judge any work, organization, action, gathering, or whatever by that metric is unreasonable. There are many contexts in which taking a political line does not make any sense, or is impossible.

Pong (1972) does not take any stances on anything. Does this, somehow, mean it is reinforcing the status quo? Or is it, perhaps, something that is beyond the purview of any political debate?

Fenry, there is plenty of context in the discussion, iceink wrote enough examples to understand what is being meant.
Clearly there is no political importance to pong (well, I could grasp a few straws if I wished).
But in this case there's no usefulness for you to take such extreme idea of everything.
If you were learning chemistry, teacher would say "everything is made out of atoms", reminding teacher of existence of dark matter and degenerate matter in neutron stars would be accurate, but it would also be a total waste of breath.

How is this thread still going on? Seriously, it's super obvious bait.

It bothers me less that it's trolling and more that it's super lazy trolling that still somehow maintains full effectiveness. Lazy trolling shouldn't be rewarded this heavily.

iceink said:
Trying to describe something as apolitical makes it a conversation in the context of politics, which means in this case, it is political.

Actually no, I'm just talking about french fries and ice cream because I'm hungry for french fries and ice cream :V

Clawdragons said:
How is this thread still going on? Seriously, it's super obvious bait.

It bothers me less that it's trolling and more that it's super lazy trolling that still somehow maintains full effectiveness. Lazy trolling shouldn't be rewarded this heavily.

Yeah, you're right