Topic: Why are the individual Fallout games aliased to the tag Fallout?

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The whole point of the tagging system is supposed to be helping users find the specific content they want, while avoiding any content they specifically don't want, is it not? So, then, why are you using aliases that prevent users from searching specifically for New Vegas content while excluding results from the rest of the series; or from blacklisting Fallout 4 entirely, when there are plenty of people who despise the game so much they refuse to acknowledge its existence? (No, that's not a 76-exclusive treatment.) Seems, to me, like they should only be implicated...And if it's a policy of "all video game titles are automatically aliased to the overall franchise they belong to," then...well, that's just a dumb policy, for the reasons I've already described. Not to mention inconsistent: ducktales_(2017) isn't even implicated to ducktales, much less aliased, so the policy clearly doesn't apply to television series.

So, topic #11155 is where the aliases were made. Otherwise, I couldn't find much on the topic.

Also, why are you bringing up a TV show's lack of implication, when you're bringing up the topic of a video game's aliased status? You might want to find a better contradiction to the alias' logic, since a TV series and a video game are separate things and may be treated separately...

Genjar

Former Staff

I'm not sure why some series get aliased, while other similar series are kept separate. It does seem a bit random at times.
For instance, Persona series is aliased to a single tag, but Final Fantasy, The Legend of Zelda, and Dragon Quest have separate tags for each game.

Fallout games are set in the same world; just different locations. Time period is also pretty much the same in all the games (I think it's less than 300 years between most distanced titles)
It's pretty much standard for any series.

The Legend of Zelda games dwell into Multiverse/Parallel Universes teritory. While all of the LoZ games take place in the same world, there're few timelines.
LoZ:Majora's Musk takes place in universe than LoZ:Wind Wanker. Even if games are set in the same timeline, the number of years that have passed between them can be big enoght to make sufficient differencs between two titles.

Final Fantasy game are not really connected. Every game place in different world. FF V Universe is different than FF VI one. If there're more than one games that takes place in the same world, it's pointed out (FF X and FF X-2 or FF VII and FF VII:AC movie)

genjar said:
I'm not sure why some series get aliased, while other similar series are kept separate. It does seem a bit random at times.
For instance, Persona series is aliased to a single tag, but Final Fantasy, The Legend of Zelda, and Dragon Quest have separate tags for each game.

I know Igor is always the same guy, but I don't know enough about the rest of Persona to know if this change or are the same between games. If it's aliased together, they probably are considered the same world and timeline, around the same time period. Some Dragon Quest games reference one another, but occur so separately apart that they're considered their own things.

In regards to Final Fantasy, every different number is a different world, a different universe, but if it shares the number it should be aliased to the number. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (if it were used) would be aliased to Final Fantasy VII

Genjar

Former Staff

furrin_gok said:
I know Igor is always the same guy, but I don't know enough about the rest of Persona to know if this change or are the same between games.

Each Persona has a completely different main cast, there's not much in common beyond the games taking place on Earth and some supporting characters (Philemon and Igor, and Philemon only appears as a butterfly from 3 onwards). Other games in the series are rarely referenced, and usually only as easter eggs. The first two don't fit well in the timeline. So it's quite similar to Dragon Quest. Looking at megami_tensei_persona, it's easy to tell at glance which post is from which game. Morgana_(persona): appears only in Persona 5, teddie_(persona) and fox_(persona_4): only in Persona 4, jin_shirato: only in Persona 3, and so on.

The demons are (mostly) the same in each game, but that applies to the whole megami_tensei franchise, in the same way as slime_(dragon_quest) appears in every Dragon Quest game.

There are some spinoffs that feature characters from multiple core games, which might make the tagging slightly more problematic at times. Though Final Fantasy has the same problem, especially Dissidia which crossovers characters from every core game in the franchise.

As for the Fallout posts, some of those could be pinpointed to a specific game in the series. Mostly because of the NPCs/party members. But most are deathclaws and such that appear in multiple games. So splitting that tag would be difficult, with most of the posts ending up under the generic Fallout tag.

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engerston said:
Final Fantasy game are not really connected. Every game place in different world. FF V Universe is different than FF VI one. If there're more than one games that takes place in the same world, it's pointed out (FF X and FF X-2 or FF VII and FF VII:AC movie)

furrin_gok said:
In regards to Final Fantasy, every different number is a different world, a different universe, but if it shares the number it should be aliased to the number. Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (if it were used) would be aliased to Final Fantasy VII

Careful when invoking Final Fantasy here. X is likely the same universe as VII (though not the same planet), and Ivalice (the setting for the Tactics games and XII) originated with FF Tactics and has also been used for a game that's not part of the Final Fantasy series.

genjar said:
splitting that tag would be difficult

I really don't see how. You implicate the elements common to all games (standard deathclaws, feral ghouls, Nuka Cola, etc.) to the general Fallout tag, and things specific to one game, to that game. (Night stalkers to Fallout: New Vegas, any glowing variant of a creature that's not a ghoul to Fallout 4, Butch Deloria to Fallout 3, etc.) And, of course, each individual game's tag would also implicate the Fallout franchise. I just don't see any need to alias them. And plenty of reasons not to alias them.

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