So as I was reposting art from an artist (who gave me permission to) I noticed that on rule 34 that all the art I posted on the previous day to e621 was posted to rule34 by the bot with the exact same tags. I find this quite interesting and would like to know more about it.

If you mean rule34.xxx, they have their own bot which uses our API, so you will have to ask them if you want to know more than that. I do also believe we have at least one artist on DNP because they are scraping our content and I even think there has been conspiracies of us running that site to bypass DNP list here. I'm also pretty sure there was other sites which do similar stuff and just plaster it with tons of ads all over the place.

There's really not too much that we can do about it without effecting legimitate API users, blocking content from being shared would be hypocritical considering that majority of content we have is shared to us and we cannot do same thing (scraping content from them for example) because we have much higher standards for the quality of content, tagging and sourcing. There was at least one user who had mass uploader software they used here, but they did get banned.

mairo said:
If you mean rule34.xxx, they have their own bot which uses our API, so you will have to ask them if you want to know more than that. I do also believe we have at least one artist on DNP because they are scraping our content and I even think there has been conspiracies of us running that site to bypass DNP list here. I'm also pretty sure there was other sites which do similar stuff and just plaster it with tons of ads all over the place.

There's really not too much that we can do about it without effecting legimitate API users, blocking content from being shared would be hypocritical considering that majority of content we have is shared to us and we cannot do same thing (scraping content from them for example) because we have much higher standards for the quality of content, tagging and sourcing. There was at least one user who had mass uploader software they used here, but they did get banned.

Do you know how to get ahold of them or report as I hate the fact that it not even 5 hours since I posted my first commissions art here just for them to post there with out my permission

gold-the-fluff-cario said:
Do you know how to get ahold of them or report as I hate the fact that it not even 5 hours since I posted my first commissions art here just for them to post there with out my permission

On top of the page, there's "contact us", "DMCA" and Discord server links so I would start with those.
I cannot say what kind of takedown/DMCA process they actually have. e621 basically goes beyond what's necessary by not requiring real life info and being fast, then some serves who dedicate to piracy usually just laugh at the requests because they aren't bound by them where their server is located, some require legal definition meaning full real life information with contact address.

But I would imagine just emailing and asking or popping to their discord and asking should at least give answers if nothing else. Last time I asked about underaged artist on their discord with evidence they were pretty understanding at least and deleted that material but that was several years ago.

Also I know there's couple other rule34 websites which show up in google results and they basically have, nothing. There's no links to contact anyone in any way, domain is bought with service that anonymizes the servers, etc. so when I was helping one artist to have their stuff deleted there, the only approach would've been DMCA'g the service provider which would've been absolute nightmare to proceed, so it's better to just try to ignore those sites as much as possible and if brought up, tell everyone not to use them.

Rule34.us is the one do they have a discord or is it one of the other ones

gold-the-fluff-cario said:
Rule34.us is the one do they have a discord or is it one of the other ones

They have a takedown page but I'm seeing some huge red flags here.

In order to process your complaint quickly, we will need you to fill out the following information. This information will be shared with 3rd parties for transparency purposes. If any information is invalid, omitted, or is a duplicate submission, the notice will be ignored and discarded.

Since their required contact information is "Full Name, Mailing Address, Phone Number, E-Mail" it sounds very much like they're trying to dissuade people from making takedown requests by refusing to complete requests that don't provide way too much personal information and then sharing the information of the people that make the requests.

I agree with Mairo that it's probably better off to just ignore that these websites exist, barely anybody really looks at these kinds of websites compared to the more popular booru/gallery websites and it's just not worth the time going after all of them and possibly getting doxxed in the process

faucet said:
Since their required contact information is "Full Name, Mailing Address, Phone Number, E-Mail" it sounds very much like they're trying to dissuade people from making takedown requests by refusing to complete requests that don't provide way too much personal information and then sharing the information of the people that make the requests.

That isn't as unreasonable as you would think. Google publishes their takedown requests through chilling effects/lumen, a third party clearinghouse/takedown research database. Those takedowns include all that information for verification and contact purposes. They started redacting some of it from the public view though, as posting links to removed content did have it's detriments.

e621 and some other sites go with a much lower degree of details, but they aren't fully formed dmca takedown requests, especially with the missing parts about good faith and perjury missing. E621 even has a statement for sending in an email for a dmca in their takedown page. That form is for full functions of a proper dmca request.

mairo said:
...conspiracies of us running that site to bypass DNP...

One word: N-Hentai
They make resampled (lower-quality) images and don't honor E-Hentai's own filters. So they double-down on doing bad things. :facepalm:
If you mention that site in #e-hentai on Rizon network, an IRC bot will kick you from the channel, they hate it so much. There was so much rage over "'Wani' content" back when Fakku started doing takedowns, too! At least N-Hentai doesn't use the same post numbers.

Yeah, you really can't prevent scraping, even by users. There's extensions in browsers that can for example keep a copy of your up/downvotes on YT, even with Google's API censored. Normal _browsing_ would allow you to create a distributed mirror like some CDN.

deadoon said:
They started redacting some of it from the public view though, as posting links to removed content did have it's detriments.

Not the real (or at least, only) reason, I think? It was pretty obvious that the bots were overzealous.

It's really slow but there's also boorus that have the same images as the popular ones, but are TOR/I2P mirrors.

alphamule said:
Not the real (or at least, only) reason, I think? It was pretty obvious that the bots were overzealous.

It's really slow but there's also boorus that have the same images as the popular ones, but are TOR/I2P mirrors.

The first details redacted from general public were the exact links to the content that was removed itself. It was kind of awkward how if you googled something restricted, there was a link near the bottom of the page that told you exactly what was removed. Then it changed to telling you what sites and how many links to said sites had been removed. Like what are you going to do, do a takedown of a legal document that is being publicly displayed? They still have the person/org that sent the takedown as well IIRC, just not the exact links removed.

Proper DMCA are a big deal and need some information on them, which is what that form actually is. I would consider the e621 a more amiable, less forceful takedown by comparison.

While even some of my artwork's been scraped, I know there's nothing I can do about it, and considering fan art doesn't exactly respect copyright anyway...

Though, even things that aren't even of a pre-existing franchise have gotten slurped up as well, and that confuses me a bit because... well, that isn't even rule 34 (yet)!

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(Seeing that some of my stuff actually has a couple of upvotes is a bit of a spirit-lifter, though. Even things that were banished from here for quality standards.)

deadoon said:
The first details redacted from general public were the exact links to the content that was removed itself. It was kind of awkward how if you googled something restricted, there was a link near the bottom of the page that told you exactly what was removed. Then it changed to telling you what sites and how many links to said sites had been removed. Like what are you going to do, do a takedown of a legal document that is being publicly displayed? They still have the person/org that sent the takedown as well IIRC, just not the exact links removed.

Proper DMCA are a big deal and need some information on them, which is what that form actually is. I would consider the e621 a more amiable, less forceful takedown by comparison.

I assumed it was intentional and malicious compliance? ;) Well, also, it surely encouraged ISPs/server operators to get that stuff taken down ASAP, because it was a great way to map out the rogue agents that cart blanch allowed it.