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Topic: [APPROVED] Invalid tag reorganization

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Genjar

Former Staff

The bulk update request #255 is active.

remove alias species -> invalid_tag
remove alias character -> invalid_tag
remove alias eyes -> invalid_tag
remove alias face -> invalid_tag
remove alias legs -> invalid_tag
remove alias neck -> invalid_tag
category species -> invalid
category character -> invalid
category eyes -> invalid
category face -> invalid
category legs -> invalid
category neck -> invalid

Reason: Now that category change BURs exist, I think it's time to start moving these into the the categories? Here's a few common ones, just to test this out.

I'm not sure about what format should be used for naming these, though. Should these have something like *_(invalid_tag) added, or should it just be the tagname, with the assumption that it being in invalid tag category makes it noticeable enough?

EDIT: The bulk update request #255 (forum #295963) has been approved by @Millcore.

Updated by auto moderator

How is the invalid tag category supposed to work, and what's its purpose? Doing this would seem to make them into usable (if discouraged) tags since they'd appear and be searchable or blacklistable like any other tag. And isn't part of the reason for at least some invalid tags to avoid excessive tags appearing on posts? Whereas currently they get folded into a single invalid_tag that's easy to remove, letting them stay in the tag list would increase clutter and make them more annoying to remove.

Genjar

Former Staff

thegreatwolfgang said:
I think I'm a bit out of the loop here, are we phasing out invalid_tag for the Invalid category?

Yes, that's why the category was added. From what I've heard, the benefit is that the taggers can see exactly which tags were invalid, instead of everything getting lumped as invalid_tag.

I'm not sure how well it'll actually work, but since it was added on the admin consensus, we might as well start using it. It'll result in some extra clean-up -- but since there are bots around that already automatically untag invalid tags, these probably won't require manual work to clean.

genjar said:
Yes, that's why the category was added. From what I've heard, the benefit is that the taggers can see exactly which tags were invalid, instead of everything getting lumped as invalid_tag.

I'm not sure how well it'll actually work, but since it was added on the admin consensus, we might as well start using it. It'll result in some extra clean-up -- but since there are bots around that already automatically untag invalid tags, these probably won't require manual work to clean.

I guess it helps to know which tag you use are invalid, I do prefer though that that was a feature on the Uploads/Edit page instead (i.e. a warning when the system picks up an invalid tag).

On a separate note, do you think the *_(disambiguation) tags fit in the Invalid section? Just so that it forces people to change it to a more specific one.

genjar said:
It'll result in some extra clean-up -- but since there are bots around that already automatically untag invalid tags, these probably won't require manual work to clean.

But if the point is for people to see what tags were invalid, having bots automatically remove them seems counter-intuitive. Them remaining in the tag history probably won't mean much, as I doubt people look at that if there's no otherwise apparent reason to. They'd need to stay until someone can look at the tags and decide if the tagger was trying to add a valid tag. Also, since they'd be there for someone to check over and clean up with proper valid tags, that probably means others will be more reluctant to just remove them, causing them to stick around more often.

Genjar

Former Staff

The bulk update request #280 is pending approval.

Reason: Next batch.

- make: Seems like a common misspelling of 'male'. Depending on what kind of posts get tagged with it, maybe it could be aliased to 'male' later.
- eye, hip, nose, shoulder, and wrist: More of these overly generic body part tags. Some of which would benefit from wiki entries. 'Eye', for instance, might be someone trying to tag 1_eye.
- cartoon: This seems to get mistagged a lot. Should be toony in most cases, occasionally animation.
- nonbinary, nonbinary_gender: With the addition of lore tags and such, these would benefit from wiki entry.
- naughty, nsfw, adult, and sexual: Unnecessary, because of the rating. 'Sexual' would benefit from wiki entry for related tags, and it'd be interesting to see what kind of posts get tagged as 'adult': that one might be better off as disambiguation.
- gender: Usually mistagged 'ambiguous_gender'.

genjar said:
The bulk update request #280 is pending approval.

Reason: Next batch.

- make: Seems like a common misspelling of 'male'. Depending on what kind of posts get tagged with it, maybe it could be aliased to 'male' later.
- eye, hip, nose, shoulder, and wrist: More of these overly generic body part tags. Some of which would benefit from wiki entries. 'Eye', for instance, might be someone trying to tag 1_eye.
- cartoon: This seems to get mistagged a lot. Should be toony in most cases, occasionally animation.
- nonbinary, nonbinary_gender: With the addition of lore tags and such, these would benefit from wiki entry.
- naughty, nsfw, adult, and sexual: Unnecessary, because of the rating. 'Sexual' would benefit from wiki entry for related tags, and it'd be interesting to see what kind of posts get tagged as 'adult': that one might be better off as disambiguation.
- gender: Usually mistagged 'ambiguous_gender'.

The site directs users to wiki pages for tags that are in the invalid category so ideally all of these need some kind of wiki page that explains what went wrong and how to resolve it. That was one of the hold ups in converting them all, was writing lots of wiki pages.

Genjar

Former Staff

kiranoot said:
The site directs users to wiki pages for tags that are in the invalid category so ideally all of these need some kind of wiki page that explains what went wrong and how to resolve it. That was one of the hold ups in converting them all, was writing lots of wiki pages.

I was planning to write wikis after this gets approved. Though I suppose I could write them in advance, will see if I find time for it.

(In some cases it's hard to try to guess how it'll be used before seeing it in use, though.)

EDIT: All wikis filled for that batch.

Updated

D.D.M.

Privileged

The bulk update request #329 is pending approval.

Reason: A supplement to the other BURs focused on invalid_tag reorganization. This one initially focused on individual numbers and letters, but went on to include quite a few other tags.

  • The letter a is already included in another BUR from topic #27477.
  • Along with nonbinary in the above BUR, several other similar tags currently aliased to invalid_tag would also benefit from the Lore category.
    • I'll refrain from re-categorizing these tags as Invalid category tags since it was mentioned above that it could be better to alias these tags to their equivalent *_(lore) tags instead of placing them under the Invalid category.
  • I also think that closed_mouth should instead be aliased to mouth_closed, or the reverse instead (hence why it isn't being re-categorized as an Invalid category tag).

Also, I want to say that these tags don't have to be approved before reliable wikis are written for them. They can be approved later on, incase folks are worried about these being approved without the tags having a wiki.

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