Aliasing gripping → invalid_tag
Link to alias

Reason:

Gripping what? It's hard to get more vague than that. Various *_grab tags (leg_grab, butt_grab, grabbing_sheets, etc) should be used instead.

I know that there's 2000+ posts tagged as gripping, but 99% (or maybe all) of those have been tagged by a single user.

I'd say... +1.
Needs to be more specific for the tag to have a purpose, as you said - grabbing_hips, grabbing_head, grabbin'_pills etc.

Genjar said:
Aliasing gripping → invalid_tag
Link to alias

Reason:

Gripping what? It's hard to get more vague than that. Various *_grab tags (leg_grab, butt_grab, grabbing_sheets, etc) should be used instead.

I know that there's 2000+ posts tagged as gripping, but 99% (or maybe all) of those have been tagged by a single user.

100% agreed.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to search for or blacklist this tag either, so +1

If I was to search for gripping, I'd most likely have something in mind that would be gripped and possibly even something I don't want gripped. Thus, I agree.

Thanks for the huge help with the cleanup. Over 400 posts have already been retagged properly.

If you have time, also check those posts for mistagged holding, cumshot, and sheath. Since that tagger used to mistag those on thousands of images, and most still remain unfixed.

So what's going on with gripping? Are you guys still cleaning it up before invalidating it?

I'm still trying to clean in up, but it's slow going. Mostly because most of those were tagged by an user who tends to mistag a lot, and there's many other things to fix on all of those.

Genjar said:
I'm still trying to clean in up, but it's slow going. Mostly because most of those were tagged by an user who tends to mistag a lot, and there's many other things to fix on all of those.

Well, I took care of gripping -male, gripping -gay -straight, and gripping -penis -gay for you. That should make tagging the rest a lot less interesting.

Edit: Took care of gripping bed, that should narrow it down to mostly body parts.

I've been working on it, but I get involved in other tagging projects and trade off my time spent. Pretty sure most people know how that goes. I'll spend some time on gripping tonight and take a large chunk out of it at least. Genjar's done a lot on it, but it's more than should be up to any one person to clean up.

tony311 said:
So what's going on with gripping? Are you guys still cleaning it up before invalidating it?

It's cleaned out and empty now. You can nuke it.

furrypickle said:
I've been working on it, but I get involved in other tagging projects and trade off my time spent. Pretty sure most people know how that goes. I'll spend some time on gripping tonight and take a large chunk out of it at least. Genjar's done a lot on it, but it's more than should be up to any one person to clean up.

Done.

I wanted to work on holding and grope too because they seem just about as vague, but I didn't feel like dealing with another 1000 tags right now let alone 8000. I just removed a few holding's that were obviously not holding anything relevant (handjob, holding a pillow, etc.) and left it at that.

parasprite said:
Done.

I wanted to work on holding and grope too because they seem just about as vague, but I didn't feel like dealing with another 1000 tags right now let alone 8000. I just removed a few holding's that were obviously not holding anything relevant (handjob, holding a pillow, etc.) and left it at that.

*high fives* I noticed you and Genjar, (and there might have been someone else as well) working on it too. Sure made it go by a lot faster as a team.

holding has a lot of cleanup to do, and some debate whether or not it should be kept for holding objects. Or if it should be nixed and a system created for holding_* syntax style of tags for important groups of items being held that seem particularly useful. I'm in favor of this, but to make that system consistent, we might have to re-examine holding_penis and holding_breasts which currently break that system and confuse usage (because they're holding body parts instead of objects only). They're also both badly in need of a cleanup anyways because usage has been messy between them and all other related tags for that body part, so maybe they need rethinking/renaming anyways to function better. I have some ideas on that when it's time to discuss it.

grope in my opinion seems unclear where the lines are between grope, fondling, molesting etc. I suspect there's overlap and that we might not need all three of them. The only wiki among them only blurs the lines between them even further, which doesn't help. But there's also a lot of images in there that should be tagging with a *_grab type of tag instead. So even once they're clarified and it's decided which means what, there's probably cleanup needed with those three.

grasp seems to be just as vague as gripping was, and we might have to cleanup and alias it away. Not sure if it has any valid use on its own?
grab and grabbing are both are needing cleaned out just like gripping was. I got them down to fairly small piles and then got busy elsewhere. So they won't take much to clear out.

Those are just the ones I know that seem interconnected and in similar need of cleaning. Kind of just sharing my notes, what I noticed is gonna need looking at and why. Figure it might be helpful to pool ideas/strategize/coordinate where to go next on it since they're all kind of related to each other and suffer from the same issues.

Already finished? Huzzah!
That was much faster than what it would've taken me, especially since I tend to get sidetracked all the time.

There's also equally vague grab, which should be handled the same way: sorted out to various *_grab and other related tags. But that's just 150 posts. Edit: Grab sorted out.

And yep, grope and related tags need to be sorted out someday. There's even some old leftover implications that could be deleted, such as butt_grope -> grope: butt_grope has been aliased away to butt_grab.

We definitely need some tag for groping through clothing, and grope seems like a good one for that. Molestation, on the other hand, should probably be sorted out to other tags and then invalidated.

As long as it's all aliased, it doesn't really matter which one is used since it will just point to the "correct" version. What we really need to do is cut down on the number of variations (in my opinion). Huge project for some tags (holding_legs, holding_torso, etc.), but the most straightforward ones I've listed below.

Needs work still:

• grasp (<1000), grabbing (<50), holding (~6000), pulling (<100), held (<100) - alias -> invalid_tag
• as soon as they are wiped, of course
• fondling - alias -> invalid_tag
• fondling what? same as above
• note to check fondling balls, fondling breasts for people who meant to write fondling_balls, fondling_breasts

Ready to invalidate

• gripping
• grab
• grip
• grasping
• hold (currently aliased to holding

Probably ready to go

• ball_grab, ball_grabbing, grabbing_balls - alias -> fondling_balls
• this one may have potential to get mistagged
• also note we have crotch_grab
• pulling_hair - alias -> hair_grab
• holding_tail, tail_pull, tail_pulling - alias -> tail_grab
• holding_down - alias -> pinned
• grabbing_sheets - alias -> holding_sheets
• to be consistent, though I don't care about this as much
• nipple_pull, nipple_pulling nipple_grab, nipple_grabbing, nipple_pinch - alias -> nipple_play
• pec_grasp, chest_grab - alias -> hand_on_chest

Unsolved

• holding_hand, hand_held - alias -> hand_holding
• Unsure about this one since hand_holding feels more like a romantic tag as apposed to pinning a hand down during rough sex
• breast_grab, grab_breasts - alias -> holding_breast
• also note we have hand_on_breast, breast_fondling
• fondling_breasts - alias -> breast_fondling
• if we keep breast_fondling, I see no reason why we shouldn't though
• I almost want to alias it to fondling_breasts just so it matches ball_fonding, etc.
• penis_grab, hand_on_penis, knot_grab - alias -> penis_holding
• also note we have crotch_grab

Tag searches for convenience:

*grab*
*hold*
*hand*
hand_* (probably more relevant)
*pull*
*fondling* (only a few)

parasprite said:
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A lot of these are good.

I'm not on board with either holding_breast or holding_penis being kept as the final tags for any reason, because it breaks wildcard searching of *holding* being for finding held objects. Which will be necessary if we're going to invalidate the regular holding tag, forcing people to rely on the wildcard *holding* searches instead for finding held objects. We can't do both, or else we really will hurt functionality.

It also is helpful to have a way to separate out when someone is holding their own penis vs touching someone else's penis. etc. Now I could see hand_on_penis being used for someone having hand on their own penis, and keep penis_grab for someone grabbing someone else's penis. Then the currently messy holding_penis tag could be cleaned out into both of those tags and then aliased. And that way people won't get thousands of "holding_penis" images when they're using wildcards to search *holding* for objects-being-held after holding is aliased away.

The same needs addressed and solved for the holding_breasts tag for the same reasons. It will bungle up people's ability to wildcard search for held images if we leave it using the same syntax. Plus it confuses the usage for that syntax when we leave exceptions. So on both counts, it just doesn't work to keep it under that tag name. But I think we can come up with something else for it. The usage of holding_breasts is messy anyways, often overlapping with the other types of touching breasts tags, so I'm sure there's a solution that would both clarify usage and remove the conflict with the rest of *holding*.

In your list of nipple tags, I know of one more: nipple_pinch.

On the hand_holding thing, I've heard the same argument made for *_grab tags sounding too forceful and wanting a duplicate tag that conveys less force for certain images. And while I can see the point, I think in the end it's the reason we have this preponderance of tags for the same physical gesture to begin with.

furrypickle said:
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I've added nipple_pinch to the list and put the tentative ones in a different section for now.