Topic: [REJECTED] Final Fantasy BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #279 has been rejected.

create implication black_mage (0) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication blue_mage (0) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cactuar (39) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cagnazzo (6) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication hedgehog_pie (4) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication galian_beast (26) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication genome (0) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication red_mage (0) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication rubicante (3) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication sahagin (33) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication seeq (76) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create alias ultros_(final_fantasy) (1) -> ultros (20)
create implication ultros (20) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication valefor (2) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication white_mage (0) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cait_sith_(ff) (5) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication montblanc (74) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication final_fantasy_ii (8) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication emperor_mateus (1) -> final_fantasy_ii (8)
create implication final_fantasy_iii (23) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cloud_of_darkness (5) -> final_fantasy_iii (23)
create implication refia (6) -> final_fantasy_iii (23)
create implication final_fantasy_iv (49) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication baigan (0) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication cecil_harvey (4) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication kain_highwind (3) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication rosa_farrell (4) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication rydia (22) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication final_fantasy_v (48) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication bartz_klauser (4) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication faris_scherwiz (21) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication galuf_halm_baldesion (4) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication krile_mayer_baldesion (11) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication lenna_charlotte_tycoon (20) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication final_fantasy_vi (76) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication banon (1) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication celes_chere (15) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication cyan_garamonde (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication edgar_roni_figaro (4) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication kefka_palazzo (17) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication locke_cole (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication interceptor_(final_fantasy) (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication relm_arrowny (6) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication sabin_rene_figaro (5) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication setzer_gabbiani (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication shadow_(final_fantasy) (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication strago_magus (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create alias tina_branford (1) -> terra_branford (27)
create implication terra_branford (27) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication umaro (0) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication aerith_gainsborough (177) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication barret_wallace (28) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication cid_highwind (9) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication cloud_strife (208) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication vincent_valentine (22) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication zack_fair (12) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication burmecian (2164) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication qu (0) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication adelbert_steiner (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication eiko_carol (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication garnet_til_alexandros_xvii (51) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication prince_puck_(character) (54) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication queen_stella (2) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication quina_quen (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication vivi_ornitier (52) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication zidane_tribal (145) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication aeon_(ffx) (0) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication ixion (28) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication auron_(final_fantasy) (7) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication biran (40) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication kimahri (268) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication lulu_(final_fantasy) (118) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication rikku_(final_fantasy) (31) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication tidus (11) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication wakka (13) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication yuna_(ffx) (0) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication yenke (14) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication elvaan (47) -> final_fantasy_xi (444)
create implication adrammelech (2) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication ashelia_b'nargin_dalmasca (7) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication balthier (15) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication basch_fon_ronsenburg (1) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication fran (11) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication larsa_ferrinas_solidor (1) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication nono_(final_fantasy) (19) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication penelo (28) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication vaan_(final_fantasy) (13) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication gurdy_(final_fantasy) (35) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication horne_(moogle) (13) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication sorbet_(moogle) (11) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication final_fantasy_xiii (78) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication claire_farron (26) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication hope_estheim (3) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication oerba_dia_vanille (4) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication oerba_yun_fang (5) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication sazh_katzroy (2) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication serah_farron (7) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication amalj'aa (117) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication au_ra (1347) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication elezen (170) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication gnath_(final_fantasy_xiv) (2) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication ixali (0) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication lupin_(final_fantasy) (16) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication mamool_ja (66) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication namazu (32) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication raen (13) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication roegadyn (62) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication vanu_vanu (10) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication xaela (34) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication final_fantasy_xv (70) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication ardyn_izunia (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication bennu_(final_fantasy) (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication gladiolus_amicitia (14) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication ignis_scientia (12) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication iris_amicitia (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication noctis_lucis_caelum (20) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication prompto_argentum (17) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication snow_villiers (5) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication babus_swain (22) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication ezel_berbier (19) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication ritz_malheur (6) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication shara_(final_fantasy) (5) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication adelle_(fft) (0) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication cid_(ffta2) (1) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication gria (0) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication hurdy (50) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication luso_clemens (1) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)

Reason: Character tags and one-off species get implications to their games, broader elements (enemies, bosses, reoccurring characters) get implications to the final fantasy tag. I'm definitely not the biggest expert on this series, so call out anything that I've missed.

(There's probably going to be some arguments about the tags for individual games, but they're decently common, several tags already have implications to them, and the games themselves tend to be rather different from one another.)

Edit: Added Vulkalu's suggestions, plus some species from FFIX and FFXIV.

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Vulkalu

Member

It's too late in the night for me to look over all of these at the moment, but I will add:

Races:

Tactics Advance Characters:

Tactics Advance 2 Characters:

Six Moogle Siblings:

Final_Fantasy_Tactics_Advance_2 should probably implicate Final_Fantasy, at least for now. I'm not sure where it'll be decided that should go. I'd personally say some kind of Ivalice tag to group the Tactics games and XII, but... I'd also understand if that was deemed unnecessary. Not sure how I feel about Advance being aliased to Tactics either (as it is currently), unless the Tactics tag is used for the whole series.

(Please note I am only using the tags I see already in use for all of these. Also I'm not sure how reoccurring characters are handled when they're in the same setting--XII and all three Tactics games are all in Ivalice, even if they have pretty big differences between them. It's also really late so trying to figure out what implications should go where isn't the best right now for me.)

Strikerman

Janitor

vulkalu said:

  • Hume / Hyur - Basically just humans. Not sure if they really warrant their own tags.

Humans, also known as Humes, Hyur and Humanoid, are a recurring race that appears throughout the Final Fantasy series. Unless literally anything about them's different, I'd be in favor of aliasing the tags away.

vulkalu said:
Also I'm not sure how reoccurring characters are handled when they're in the same setting--XII and all three Tactics games are all in Ivalice, even if they have pretty big differences between them.

I'm not sure how to handle them either tbh, hence Montblanc getting implicated to the main FF tag.

Watsit

Privileged

strikerman said:
black_mage -> final_fantasy
blue_mage -> final_fantasy
red_mage -> final_fantasy
white_mage -> final_fantasy

I feel like these are generic enough terms to not necessarily imply Final Fantasy, even if the wikis may be written as such. A healer/protective magic user with white robes would be a form of a white mage, a dark arts magic user in black robes being a form of black mage, etc. Similarly, tags like genome, banon, and qu feel a bit too generic or ambiguous, without _(final_fantasy) appended to it.

Strikerman

Janitor

watsit said:
I feel like these are generic enough terms to not necessarily imply Final Fantasy, even if the wikis may be written as such. A healer/protective magic user with white robes would be a form of a white mage, a dark arts magic user in black robes being a form of black mage, etc. Similarly, tags like genome, banon, and qu feel a bit too generic or ambiguous, without _(final_fantasy) appended to it.

Fair enough with genome, etc., but I'm not sure about the mage tags. The terms themselves are by far more associated with Final Fantasy than anything else, and they're cemented by having unified, consistent appearances across the series. Even if a non-FF x_mage appears, I'd be more in favor of sticking them with an identifier and leaving the mages as the default. They tend to take other names in other franchises anyway (a white mage would be a healer or a cleric, a black mage would probably suffice under spellcaster, etc.).

Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6734 is active.

mass update black_mage -> black_mage_(final_fantasy)
create implication black_mage_(final_fantasy) (96) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update blue_mage -> blue_mage_(final_fantasy)
create implication blue_mage_(final_fantasy) (28) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cactuar (39) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cagnazzo (6) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication hedgehog_pie (4) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication galian_beast (26) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update genome -> genome_(final_fantasy)
create implication genome_(final_fantasy) (90) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update mog -> mog_(final_fantasy)
create implication mog_(final_fantasy) (34) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update red_mage -> red_mage_(final_fantasy)
create implication red_mage_(final_fantasy) (72) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication rubicante (3) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication sahagin (33) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication seeq (76) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication ultros_(final_fantasy) (1) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication valefor (2) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update white_mage -> white_mage_(final_fantasy)
create implication white_mage_(final_fantasy) (189) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create alias cait_sith_(ff) (5) -> cait_sith_(final_fantasy) (3)
create implication cait_sith_(final_fantasy) (3) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication montblanc (74) -> final_fantasy (17907)

Reason: It's been a while since the first BUR, so let's make it more digestible (there's a max of 25 entries per BUR nowadays) and update a few entries along the way. This is part 1, covering the elements shared across multiple games.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6734 (forum #392278) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6735 is active.

create implication final_fantasy_ii (8) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication emperor_mateus (1) -> final_fantasy_ii (8)
create implication final_fantasy_iii (23) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication cloud_of_darkness (5) -> final_fantasy_iii (23)
create implication refia (6) -> final_fantasy_iii (23)
create implication final_fantasy_iv (49) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication baigan_(final_fantasy) (2) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication cecil_harvey (4) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication kain_highwind (3) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication rosa_farrell (4) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication rydia (22) -> final_fantasy_iv (49)
create implication final_fantasy_v (48) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication bartz_klauser (4) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication faris_scherwiz (21) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication galuf_halm_baldesion (4) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication krile_mayer_baldesion (11) -> final_fantasy_v (48)
create implication lenna_charlotte_tycoon (20) -> final_fantasy_v (48)

Reason: Part 2, covering Final Fantasy 2, 3, 4, and 5

EDIT: The bulk update request #6735 (forum #392281) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6736 is active.

create implication final_fantasy_vi (76) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication banon_(final_fantasy) (1) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication celes_chere (15) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication cyan_garamonde (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication edgar_roni_figaro (4) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication kefka_palazzo (17) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication locke_cole (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication interceptor_(final_fantasy) (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication relm_arrowny (6) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication sabin_rene_figaro (5) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication setzer_gabbiani (2) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication shadow_(final_fantasy) (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication strago_magus (3) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create alias tina_branford (1) -> terra_branford (27)
create implication terra_branford (27) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication umaro_(final_fantasy) (4) -> final_fantasy_vi (76)
create implication aerith_gainsborough (177) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication barret_wallace (28) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication cid_highwind (9) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication cloud_strife (208) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication vincent_valentine (22) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)
create implication zack_fair (12) -> final_fantasy_vii (1803)

Reason: Part 3 of the BUR, featuring Final Fantasy 6 and 7

EDIT: The bulk update request #6736 (forum #392283) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6737 is active.

create implication burmecian (2164) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication qu_(final_fantasy) (6) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication adelbert_steiner (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication eiko_carol (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication garnet_til_alexandros_xvii (51) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication prince_puck_(character) (54) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication queen_stella (2) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication quina_quen (9) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication vivi_ornitier (52) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
create implication zidane_tribal (145) -> final_fantasy_ix (2360)
mass update aeon_(ffx) -> aeon_(final_fantasy_x)
create implication aeon_(final_fantasy_x) (0) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication ixion (28) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication auron_(final_fantasy) (7) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication biran (40) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication kimahri (268) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication lulu_(final_fantasy) (118) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication rikku_(final_fantasy) (31) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication tidus (11) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication wakka (13) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
mass update yuna_(ffx) -> yuna_(final_fantasy_x)
create implication yuna_(final_fantasy_x) (41) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication yenke (14) -> final_fantasy_x (541)
create implication elvaan (47) -> final_fantasy_xi (444)

Reason: Part 4 of the BUR, starring Final Fantasy 9 and 10.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6737 (forum #392286) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6738 is active.

create implication adrammelech (2) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication ashelia_b'nargin_dalmasca (7) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication balthier (15) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication basch_fon_ronsenburg (1) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication fran_(final_fantasy) (286) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication larsa_ferrinas_solidor (1) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication nono_(final_fantasy) (19) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication penelo (28) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication vaan_(final_fantasy) (13) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication gurdy_(final_fantasy) (35) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication horne_(moogle) (13) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication sorbet_(moogle) (11) -> final_fantasy_xii (463)
create implication final_fantasy_xiii (78) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication claire_farron (26) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication hope_estheim (3) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication oerba_dia_vanille (4) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication oerba_yun_fang (5) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication sazh_katzroy (2) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)
create implication serah_farron (7) -> final_fantasy_xiii (78)

Reason: Part 5 of the BUR, presenting Final Fantasy 12 adn 13

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6739 is active.

create implication amalj'aa (117) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication au_ra (1347) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication elezen (170) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication gnath_(final_fantasy_xiv) (2) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication ixal (12) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication lupin_(final_fantasy) (16) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication mamool_ja (66) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication namazu (32) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication raen_(final_fantasy) (3) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication roegadyn (62) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication vanu_vanu (10) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication xaela (34) -> final_fantasy_xiv (7173)
create implication final_fantasy_xv (70) -> final_fantasy (17907)
create implication ardyn_izunia (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication bennu_(final_fantasy) (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication gladiolus_amicitia (14) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication ignis_scientia (12) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication iris_amicitia (1) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication noctis_lucis_caelum (20) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication prompto_argentum (17) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)
create implication snow_villiers (5) -> final_fantasy_xv (70)

Reason: Part 6 of the BUR, highlighting Final Fantasy 14 and 15.

EDIT: The bulk update request #6739 (forum #392293) has been approved by @slyroon.

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Strikerman

Janitor

The bulk update request #6740 is active.

create implication babus_swain (22) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication ezel_berbier (19) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication ritz_malheur (6) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication shara_(final_fantasy) (5) -> final_fantasy_tactics (422)
create implication final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117) -> final_fantasy (17907)
mass update adelle_(fft) -> adelle_(final_fantasy)
create implication adelle_(final_fantasy) (0) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication cid_(ffta2) (1) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication gria_(final_fantasy) (5) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication hurdy (50) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)
create implication luso_clemens (1) -> final_fantasy_tactics_advance_2 (117)

Reason: Part 7 of the BUR, showcasing Final Fantasy Tactics and its sequel

(Also the final BUR for now; there are likely many missing tags, but these BURs just cover what was in the original. Hopefully I'll be able to sweep through the other tags at some point)

EDIT: The bulk update request #6740 (forum #392297) has been approved by @slyroon.

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