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Topic: Elora's (From Spyro) NOT a Goat!

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Idk why I started this journey, I thought it'd be fun to just see out of curiosity how many pics lacked her [Faun] tag.

It's been 3 days and I'm still fixing all these tagging errors.

Please, Elora is NOT THE FOLLOWING: Bovid, Caprine, Goat, Satyr or Hybrid
SHE IS: Mammal, Faun, Cervid.

Hell all you need to tag when it revolves around her is just FAUN.
How many pics do I have to run into where the art itself says her species and the uploader doesn't tag "FAUN!"

Can a moderator or something just mass tag most of these Elora pics with her actual species tags? It's soo much worse when I see her get GOAT Tags, I see where the error can be made with her hooves, but she is a Faun, just tag Faun!

She has too much art with Species errors and it's driving me nuts. My OCD can't handle it! I can't even appreciate the art without first looking at the tags, and 9/10 Faun is either not tagged at all or she's mistaken for the following listed above.

Please just fix it, she's not any of these, she's just: Mammal, Faun, Cervid.

I thought I could be a good user of the site and just fix it all myself, it's too much!

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Faun is a creature with a goat lower body, and a human upper body.
By that definition, Elora is indeed an anthropomorphic goat in a lot of artwork featuring her.

What a character is in canon is not relevant, only what they look like in the image itself.

D

bitwolfy said:
Faun is a creature with a goat lower body, and a human upper body.
By that definition, Elora is indeed an anthropomorphic goat in a lot of artwork featuring her.

What a character is in canon is not relevant, only what they look like in the image itself.

The original design of her character was more faun like than the reignited design. They went ahead and fully anthrofied her, but I guess she is still referred to as a faun.

Also I disagree, most depictions of her looks very much like a cervid than a goat. She doesn't have any horns and the fur color is more consistent with deer.

Personally this was a messy issue. She was tagged all kinds of things. I think there would be some benefit to just creating a faun_(spyro) tag just to add some level of consistency with species tagging.

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thevileone said:
Also I disagree, most depictions of her looks very much like a cervid than a goat. She doesn't have any horns and the fur color is more consistent with deer.

You are right, she does indeed look more like a deer than a goat.
Still, OP tagged these posts as faun, which is obviously incorrect:

post #1955884 post #1644594 post #1656391

On the other hand, this is indeed a faun:

post #1745533

thevileone said: I think there would be some benefit to just creating a faun_(spyro) tag just to add some level of consistency with species tagging.

I disagree. I don't see the point in adding species tag for a character that already comfortably falls under other species tags.
I propose that the character gets tagged as faun when it looks like a faun, and deer when it looks like a deer. That's how it's supposed to work under TWYS, rather than inventing franchise-specific variants of the species.

thevileone said:
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The original design of her character was more faun like than the reignited design. They went ahead and fully anthrofied her, but I guess she is still referred to as a faun.

Also I disagree, most depictions of her looks very much like a cervid than a goat. She doesn't have any horns and the fur color is more consistent with deer.

Personally this was a messy issue. She was tagged all kinds of things. I think there would be some benefit to just creating a faun_(spyro) tag just to add some level of consistency with species tagging.

I agree, a Faun_(Spyro) tag sounds amazing!

bitwolfy said:
You are right, she does indeed look more like a deer than a goat.
Still, OP tagged these posts as faun, which is obviously incorrect:

post #1955884 post #1644594 post #1656391

On the other hand, this is indeed a faun:

post #1745533

I disagree. I don't see the point in adding species tag for a character that already comfortably falls under other species tags.
I propose that the character gets tagged as faun when it looks like a faun, and deer when it looks like a deer. That's how it's supposed to work under TWYS, rather than inventing franchise-specific variants of the species.

Have you seen the mess I've seen in species tagging? No, ya haven't, I spent the past 3 days looking at them and it's horrible, nobody know what the hell she is!

Just 5 minutes ago I seen her tagged Horse!... friggin HORSE, these tags on her are so bad it makes me want to cry of frustration!

So, no, I disagree. I ought to make a list of things she's been tag just to show ya how bad it is.
On a personal note, I dislike e621's "Tag What You See" way of doing things to an extent. For at least this, to keep it relevant, if the creators of the game or so says she's a Faun and she says herself she's a Faun
Then by all means, lore dictates she is a Faun. To go against it is not only a slap to the face for fans of said character, it makes tagging frustrating as hell. If anything, like I said, Faun_(Spyro) sounds like a jolly good idea.

Cause if we're going to assume things by appearance, then maybe it should be assumed that Fauns in the Spyro universe all look like her, in a sense and cannont possibly be comparable to traditional Fauns

or how other people like to tag her as: fox, horse, goat, deer, white-tail deer, raindeer, human, humanoid, mammal humanoid, goat humanoid, deer humanoid, etc.

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anon_pie said:
I agree, a Faun_(Spyro) tag sounds amazing!

Franchise-specific species subtags are generally not done. There are a couple of exceptions, but generally speaking, if something looks like a deer, it gets tagged as a deer.

anon_pie said:
Have you seen the mess I've seen in species tagging? No, ya haven't, I spent the past 3 days looking at them and it's horrible, nobody know what the hell she is!

Just 5 minutes ago I seen her tagged Horse!... friggin HORSE, these tags on her are so bad it makes me want to cry of frustration!

So, no, I disagree. I ought to make a list of things she's been tag just to show ya how bad it is.

What's your argument? There are a lot of mistaggings, so we should throw TWYS out of the window?
Or are you arguing that the images I provided feature a fawn? Because now we are leaving the "difference of opinion" zone and entering "objectively wrong" category.

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anon_pie said:
So, no, I disagree. I ought to make a list of things she's been tag just to show ya how bad it is.
On a personal note, I dislike e621's "Tag What You See" way of doing things to an extent. For at least this, to keep it relevant, if the creators of the game or so says she's a Faun and she says herself she's a Faun
Then by all means, lore dictates she is a Faun. To go against it is not only a slap to the face for fans of said character, it makes tagging frustrating as hell. If anything, like I said, Faun_(Spyro) sounds like a jolly good idea.

Do you know why tags exist? Not to establish some kind of "Absolute Truth".
Tags exist to help people to search for specific content, whether they are familiar with the source material's lore or not.

If I saw this image without any context, I would say that character was a cervid of some sort, not a faun:

post #1644594

bitwolfy said:
Do you know why tags exist? Not to establish some kind of "Absolute Truth".
Tags exist to help people to search for specific content, whether they are familiar with the source material's lore or not.

If I saw this image without any context, I would say that character was a cervid of some sort, not a faun:

post #1644594

Then maybe people who know she's a faun would've liked to search for her in the Faun section.
Still doesn't change her species of what she IS.
Unless someone made drastic changes to her like dogify her, which I've seen, or just change her species entirely
She's SILL a Faun.

If we can't have a blasted Faun_(Spyro) tag, that makes it easier or any kind of tag that makes it so people don't tag her species such rediculous things, LIKE HORSE

then I'll just be continuing to finish what I started and keep adding Faun, cause apparently nobody cares but me about what she is, she looks like a Faun to me, so I'll tag Faun then, since I can't get help on the matter.

"Bad Tagging is a Crime" well I'm seeing a whole lot of that then for her species. what next, gonna tag her as a chicken? (unless she was a literal chicken)

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anon_pie said:
Then maybe people who know she's a faun would've liked to search for her in the Faun section.
Still doesn't change her species of what she IS.
Unless someone made drastic changes to her like dogify her, which I've seen, or just change her species entirely
She's SILL a Faun.

If we can't have a blasted Faun_(Spyro) tag, that makes it easier or any kind of tag that makes it so people don't tag her species such rediculous things, LIKE HORSE

then I'll just be continuing to finish what I started and keep adding Faun, cause apparently nobody cares but me about what she is, she looks like a Faun to me, so I'll tag Faun then, since I can't get help on the matter.

"Bad Tagging is a Crime" well I'm seeing a whole lot of that then for her species. what next, gonna tag her as a chicken? (unless she was a literal chicken)

People who want to see her specifically would have searched for her by name, surely?
She is whatever species the image depicts her as. Unless she fits under the specific definition of a faun - upper half is human, bottom is animal - she is not a faun.

I can't stop you from continuing to mistag her. But "bad tagging" is a violation of the site rules. It's usually not enforced too harshly, unless the mistagging is actively malicious.
And tagging a character the wrong species across hundreds of posts might fit the bill.

bitwolfy said:
People who want to see her specifically would have searched for her by name, surely?
She is whatever species the image depicts her as. Unless she fits under the specific definition of a faun - upper half is human, bottom is animal - she is not a faun.

I can't stop you from continuing to mistag her. But "bad tagging" is a violation of the site rules. It's usually not enforced too harshly, unless the mistagging is actively malicious.
And tagging a character the wrong species across hundreds of posts might fit the bill.

I'm not the one mistagging here if anything it seems to me that nobody knows what she is in the first place. Thanks for what little help was provided.

If you must know, I'm only using the tags I see her as, a mammal, Faun, and cervid, which people (who do it right) have tagged her before me, so I am fixing the mistakes. Not mistagging, if she looks anything like the game, she'd get those tags, if not, I leave alone.

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anon_pie said:
I'm not the one mistagging here if anything it seems to me that nobody knows what she is in the first place. Thanks for what little help was provided.

If you must know, I'm only using the tags I see her as, a mammal, Faun, and cervid, which people (who do it right) have tagged her before me, so I am fixing the mistakes. Not mistagging, if she looks anything like the game, she'd get those tags, if not, I leave alone.

Fauns have a human top half and an animal bottom half. You are tagging anthropomorphic animals as fauns. That is called mistagging.
What she is called in the lore is not relevant. I am not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

bitwolfy said:
Fauns have a human top half and an animal bottom half. You are tagging anthropomorphic animals as fauns. That is called mistagging.
What she is called in the lore is not relevant. I am not sure why this is so difficult to understand.

because you're telling me this when everyone tags her as Faun too, you say half human-half goat, look up the Faun tag, you're more likely to see Elora, what you say contradicts the people who uploader her thinking she looks like a Faun anyways.

I think you don't understand. You may be confused with Satyr and last I checked, she doesn't resemble a goat whatsoever, her bottom is deer-like

I say deer, you say goat, how am I mistagging when you say one thing and I say she looks like another, I'm tagging what I see, see.

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anon_pie said:
because you're telling me this when everyone tags her as Faun too, you say half human-half goat, look up the Faun tag, you're more likely to see Elora, what you say contradicts the people who uploader her thinking she looks like a Faun anyways.

I think you don't understand. You may be confused with Satyr and last I checked, she doesn't resemble a goat whatsoever, her bottom is deer-like

I say deer, you say goat, how am I mistagging when you say one thing and I say she looks like another, I'm tagging what I see, see.

What the hell are you talking about?
I have not said goat since my very first post. TheVileOne corrected me, and I agreed with them.

I am not saying you shouldn't tag her as deer. For the most part, that is indeed correct.
I'm saying that in most posts featuring her, she does not have a human half, which disqualifies her from being a faun.

bitwolfy said:
What the hell are you talking about?
I have not said goat since my very first post. TheVileOne corrected me, and I agreed with them.

I am not saying you shouldn't tag her as deer. For the most part, that is indeed correct.
I'm saying that in most posts featuring her, she does not have a human half, which disqualifies her from being a faun.

with that logic maybe it's best to get rid of the Faun tag entirely then cause apparently The only Fuan character who takes up 90% of that tag is "not a Faun"

No matter what people are gonna tag her Faun, what your saying is a minority to what people think is the majority. I want a second opinion, yours ain't to great and your logic isn't sound bein that this is a furry sight, of course even the FAUNS would be furry themself.

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anon_pie said: with that logic maybe it's best to get rid of the Faun tag entirely then cause apparently The only Fuan character who takes up 90% of that tag is "not a Faun"

I would like to point out that you are personally responsible for 200 of elora posts that are tagged "faun".
When did you on your lonesome become "the majority"?

And besides, you said yourself that a lot of Elora posts are mistagged. In this particular case, they are mistagged with "faun".

anon_pie said:
I want a second opinion, yours ain't to great and your logic isn;t sound bein that this is a furry sight, of course even the FAUNS would be furry themself.

If you think that this one case will get TWYS overturned, you are delusional.
But sure, go off then.

bitwolfy said:
I would like to point out that you are personally responsible for 200 of elora posts that are tagged "faun".
When did you on your lonesome become "the majority"?

And besides, you said yourself that a lot of Elora posts are mistagged. In this particular case, they are mistagged with "faun".

If you think that this one case will get TWYS overturned, you are delusional.
But sure, go off then.

oh yeah, I'm the delusional one for properly tagging, ok. I see a horse tag on her, I wont fix it or Bovid or Goat, even though all that shit is fukin wrong. If anything, she is a Cervid and Mammal, she is a Faun.

You're no damn help, wastin my time. That's what I get for asking for proper tagging help. mistag my arse if anybody "tags what they see"

anon_pie said:
oh yeah, I'm the delusional one for properly tagging, ok. I see a horse tag on her, I wont fix it or Bovid or Goat, even though all that shit is fukin wrong. If anything, she is a Cervid and Mammal, she is a Faun.

You're no damn help, wastin my time. That's what I get for asking for proper tagging help.

Could you explain what the faun tag should be used for?

strikerman said:
Could you explain what the faun tag should be used for?

posting pics of Elora and any creature that may be similar to a Satyr but are not Satyr. Considering that Elora doesn't have any goat features and her lower half is more deer like then Cervid, Mammal, Faun seems like the appropriate tagging.

If she had horns than and/or actual goat features (like horns) then Satyr seems like the place for her.

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anon_pie said:
posting pics of Elora and any creature that may be similar to a Satyr but are not Satyr. Considering that Elora doesn't have any goat features and her lower half is more deer like then Cervid, Mammal, Faun seems like the appropriate tagging.

If she had horns than and/or actual goat features (like horns) then Satyr seems like the place for her.

... how is she a satyr or faun if she does not have a humanoid half? Are you going to address this or not?

And, in turn, if (in your opinion) having a humanoid top half is not a requirement for a satyr / faun, how should creatures that do have those features be tagged?

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magnuseffect said:
Personally I don't see faun_(spyro) as any less appropriate than the orc_(dragon_quest) tag, though I don't know if that one's supported by staff.

I think, the difference here is "this is what our orcs look like" vs "we changed the design of the species, but didn't update the name".
Still, if Elora posts are additionally tagged as cervid, much like orc_(dragon_quest) are also tagged wild_boar, I would support that tag.

magnuseffect said:
Just some semantics but I want to point out that in site terminology anthrofied is only used for the animal->human direction. We do also have furrification, though.

Then wouldn't you apply that to Elora as Faun, Cervid, Mammal then put Anthrofied?

bitwolfy said:
... how is she a satyr or faun if she does not have a humanoid half? Are you going to address this or not?

And, in turn, if (in your opinion) having a humanoid top half is not a requirement for a satyr / faun, how should creatures that do have those features be tagged?

Cause if adding "anthrofied" was the case then that's basically from her old for to her reboot form, Her old form is still a Faun her new form is anthrofied, still a Faun.

magnuseffect said:
Personally I don't see faun_(spyro) as any less appropriate than the orc_(dragon_quest) tag, though I don't know if that one's supported by staff.

It should be, then this whole debate would cease, cause I disagree that she isn't a Faun.

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anon_pie said:
Cause if adding "anthrofied" was the case then that's basically from her old for to her reboot form, Her old form is still a Faun her new form is anthrofied, still a Faun.

I have no idea what you just said. Was that even a sentence?
And you still have not answered the question.

bitwolfy said:
I think, the difference here is "this is what our orcs look like" vs "we changed the design of the species, but didn't update the name".
Still, if Elora posts are additionally tagged as cervid, much like orc_(dragon_quest) are also tagged wild_boar, I would support that tag.

they are, along with mammal and Fuan

bitwolfy said:
I have no idea what you just said. Was that even a sentence?

And you still have not answered the question.

I'm not friggin trolling jesus christ!
How hard is it to see what she is and not tag it appropriately, It's not just about Faun, people are tagging her all sorts of things

This original post is about fixing that ffs, nobody is tagging her right, ya get tags that are Deer, goat, fox, horse, and even dog related, idk how ya can screw up tagging her species that badly

All I friggin wanted was some appropriate tagging help so for future reference people know what to tag her as. (ask for help and get questioned if trolling, unbelievable)

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anon_pie said:
I'm not friggin trolling jesus christ!
How hard is it to see what she is and not tag it appropriately, It's not just about Faun, people are tagging her all sorts of things

This original post is about fixing that ffs, nobody is tagging her right, ya get tags that are Deer, goat, fox, horse, and even dog related, idk how ya can screw up tagging her species that badly

All I friggin wanted was some appropriate tagging help so for future reference people know what to tag her as.

I look at her, and I do not see a faun. And I have no idea why you are so insistent about tagging her as such.

anon_pie said:
Then wouldn't you apply that to Elora as Faun, Cervid, Mammal then put Anthrofied?

Cause if adding "anthrofied" was the case then that's basically from her old for to her reboot form, Her old form is still a Faun her new form is anthrofied, still a Faun.

Still the wrong way around

"anthrofied" would be if she looked less human in her original form, and was changed to look more human.
This would be furrification, except I doubt this applies at all to official redesigns.

Faun: her species
Cervid, Mammal: what you get out of Faun

that makes sense to me, since she's deer inspired and is a Faun...gosh.
I'm getting too upset over this.
The point is, that I keep saying, If I am right or wrong on the Faun part, she still needs something to properly tag her that relates her to the series Spyro so people can stop mistagging her species. Is that not something agreeable?

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anon_pie said:
Faun: her species
Cervid, Mammal: what you get out of Faun

that makes sense to me, since she's deer inspired and is a Faun...gosh.
I'm getting too upset over this.
The point is, that I keep saying, If I am right or wrong on the Faun part, she still needs something to properly tag her that relates her to the series Spyro so people can stop mistagging her species.

We are talking in circles.

Me: "She needs to have a human half in order to classify as a faun"
You: "bUt ShE iS cAlLeD a FaUn In ThE lOrE"

bitwolfy said:
We are talking in circles.

Me: "She needs to have a human half in order to classify as a faun"
You: "bUt ShE iS cAlLeD a FaUn In ThE lOrE"

ya know what, fine, fuck it dude, I'll just tag her stuff Cervid and get rid of all that goat, bovid stuff. Faun or not, as long as it matches how she's depicted in-game.

Ain't gonna have people mistag her as a horse again. COnsidering we can't get a nice proper tag for her. Cervid, Mammal like I've been tagging her already for the past 200 posts, since I'm already half way done.

I could have been on page 2 by now.

bitwolfy said:
They are not, however, fauns by classification.
Show of hands, does everyone agree with replacing the faun tag on characters like these with the faun_(spyro) tag?

+1 If it'll unify the designs under one tag and hopefully keep them out of faun and satyr at times they're not drawn humanoid.
Did all of old-Elora even belong in regular faun/satyr? This almost looks more like a fox-half but with hooves.
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I think faun_(spyro) is a good idea.

More generally on faun and satyr. The wikipages could be written more instructive. Currently it seems vaguelly like all faun would also be Roman satyr (but not Greek satyr). Is this so?

Also, how is the anthro and furry thinking here? Should faun imply anthro (or something) and goat?

magnuseffect said:
+1 If it'll unify the designs under one tag and hopefully keep them out of faun and satyr at times they're not drawn humanoid.
Did all of old-Elora even belong in regular faun/satyr? This almost looks more like a fox-half but with hooves.
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see Elora confusing as hell to people. I won't start my advid Faun rant again, Elora is a species tagging nightmare

bitwolfy said:
To sum it up, these are the creatures that the Spyro games call "fauns".

They are not, however, fauns by classification.
Show of hands, does everyone agree with replacing the faun tag on characters like these with the faun_(spyro) tag?

I'm glad that people sided with the Faun_(Spyro) idea, so people agreed with me, has this concluded now, are we going to get a new species: Faun_(Spyro) tag now?

something like Faun -> Faun_(Spyro)
then no uploader will have species tagging problems again.

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anon_pie said:
I'm glad that people sided with the Faun_(Spyro) idea, so people agreed with me, has this concluded now, are we going to get a new species: Faun_(Spyro) tag now?

something like Faun -> Faun_(Spyro)
then no uploader will have species tagging problems again.

I've done it yesterday: faun_(spyro)

Faun still needs cleaning up, since a good chunk of those are straight up not fauns, and includes at least one centaur.

When i made the spyro x elora comic i was asked by someone of the staff to tag her as a deer here xd

bitwolfy said:
I've done it yesterday: faun_(spyro)

Faun still needs cleaning up, since a good chunk of those are straight up not fauns, and includes at least one centaur.

ah, didn't noticed

Edit: Wow, didn't noticed how little the Faun tag actually had till you took out Elora. See, I knew I wasn't the only one who constantly tagged her Faun, I wasn't the crazy person! Feels good man. Thanks for the Tag. Now she'll be respected with no idiotic species tags.

blitzdrachin said:
When i made the spyro x elora comic i was asked by someone of the staff to tag her as a deer here xd

lmao, deer. I mean, Cervid is good...

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blitzdrachin said:
When i made the spyro x elora comic i was asked by someone of the staff to tag her as a deer here xd

anon_pie said:
Now she'll be respected with no idiotic species tags.
lmao, deer. I mean, Cervid is good...

... she's still tagged as a deer (it's aliased to cervid). Because that's what she looks like.
The faun_(spyro) tag replaced faun, not the other tags.

Also, that comic is pretty amazing. Just saying.

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