The game has the same location, storyline, and all of that, it's just set at a later date is all.

I tried to post this as a suggestion but it keeps telling me it's already aliased, despite the tag showing up as it's own tag instead of something else.

No, it's not. It's a new game with a new building, new characters and new animatronics. It's not the same game.

Denied. The two games are significantly different

TheHuskyK9 said:
The two games are significantly different

Same can be said for many games from Digimon, Pokemon, and various other franchises, but those are all lumped under one tag.

I'm actually kinda for the alias >.>

That being said, the fnaf stuff is VERY different from game 1 to 2, and unlike digimon or pokemon does not have dozens of games/series which all share exceedingly similar mechanics/visual themes. In other words, if you look at all the games in the pokemon series as a whole, each game in the pokemon series is very very similar, so much so it's hard to tell 1 game from another when glancing at fan art. Thus why it's fine to have them all under the pokemon tag. However, each game in the fnaf series (only 2 so far) is vastly different and almost everything has changed, and it's easy to tell the two apart with a glance, even with just the fan art. So, for those reasons I can totally understand denying the alias.

The only argument I would have for it, though a big one, is that who's going to search or blacklist fnaf 1 and 2 differently? At the moment, I haven't heard anyone expressing dislike for no. 2, and most people seem to be accepting it into the franchise. I think that people searchihg for fnaf would be disappointed NOT to see fnaf2 stuff. And who's going to blacklist one but not the other? But, I'm not a particularly big fan of the series itself, so I don't have enough conviction to try to argue my point further.

Genjar said:
Same can be said for many games from Digimon, Pokemon, and various other franchises, but those are all lumped under one tag.

Then why is pokemon_amie a separate tag?

TheHuskyK9 said:
Then why is pokemon_amie a separate tag?

I'm not sure why that's a copyright tag.
It's not even a game, just a single feature from the latest generation (Pokemon X/Y).

It's tagged because of the common theme, but should probably be a general tag instead of copyright.

Tokaido said:
That being said, the fnaf stuff is VERY different from game 1 to 2, and unlike digimon or pokemon does not have dozens of games/series which all share exceedingly similar mechanics/visual themes.

There's a lot of Pokemon and Digimon spin-offs that differ from the main series. Digimon Racing, Pokemon Snap, Pokemon Conquest, Mystery Dungeon, the card games, etc. All have vastly different mechanics and settings. The art style is somewhat consistent, but same can be said about fnaf 1 and 2.

For example, Mystery Dungeon is a roguelike where you play as a pokemon instead of human: there are no humans, and the pokemon can talk. Pokemon Conquest is a strategy game in a feudal setting that resembles Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Both are extremely different from the main series, but the tags often get cleaned into the main pokemon tag. So if fnaf one and two are separate tags, then those should also be considered valid.

What if I want to search just the images relating to the second game and not the first one? Not going to get what I search for if we alias the tag and make a mass-cluster of both games.

An implication sounds better imo

TheHuskyK9 said:
What if I want to search just the images relating to the second game and not the first one? Not going to get what I search for if we alias the tag and make a mass-cluster of both games.

I remember making that argument myself, but up until now, the policy has been to lump all games from same series into one tag. As an another example, mario_bros covers everything from different game genres to comics to animated series. Some users have tried making tags such as mario_and_luigi_(series), but those don't tend to survive for long.

All I'm saying is that if fnaf one and two warrant having separate tags, then so do numerous other copyrights that we're currently tagging as one.

Genjar said:
I remember making that argument myself, but up until now, the policy has been to lump all games from same series into one tag. As an another example, mario_bros covers everything from different game genres to comics to animated series. Some users have tried making tags such as mario_and_luigi_(series), but those don't tend to survive for long.

All I'm saying is that if fnaf one and two warrant having separate tags, then so do numerous other copyrights that we're currently tagging as one.

But Mario bros and Pokemon made dozens and dozens of games/shows/etc., that I can understand why those games go to one tag. But fnaf is only two games, easier to sort out and categorize than the other franchise games. Another example is dota and dota_2. They are separate tags because they aren't getting remade into thousands of spin-offs.

If fnaf's has a bunch of sequels/spin-offs, then we can put all those images under one tag. As for now, there's no need for an alias if there's not a lot of content for it.

I vote for implication.

I vote with the implication. It's the same universe and the new animatronics have their own names now (even 'New Foxy" is now "The Mangle").

The ability to search for FNAF1 stuff would be by simply trying in the name of the FNAF character you want to see ( bonnie_(fnaf) for example ).

Since that tag is for the FNAF1 stuff, you'd find it there, whereas toy_bonnie_(fnaf) would lead you to the second incarnation.

Genjar said:
I remember making that argument myself, but up until now, the policy has been to lump all games from same series into one tag. ...

Not really.
It's been done sometimes, and not others.
There's no specific "policy" either way.
Just look at Final Fantasy, we have separate tags for that, same with Mass Effect, and Mario has quite a few separate game tags.

From what I've seen we just do what's best for each individual situation, in this case, 2 tags improves searching so I think we should keep both.

While it may improve searching, it also makes blacklisting more difficult. Maybe something like the "sonic_(series)" tag, so the games can have individual tags but the franchise as a whole can be blacklisted or searched easily?

Djagir said:
While it may improve searching, it also makes blacklisting more difficult. Maybe something like the "sonic_(series)" tag, so the games can have individual tags but the franchise as a whole can be blacklisted or searched easily?

I do rather like this idea. It seems like it keeps the most functionality for both sides of the argument at the same time (still able to search for just the first game OR the second one, still able to search the whole franchise with just one tag, easier to blacklist the first one/the sequel/the whole franchise as needed according to personal feelings on the matter, etc). It retains most of the options while adding a few.

Djagir said:
While it may improve searching, it also makes blacklisting more difficult. Maybe something like the "sonic_(series)" tag, so the games can have individual tags but the franchise as a whole can be blacklisted or searched easily?

That's what we do with the others with separate tags, so, yes?

furrypickle said:
I do rather like this idea. It seems like it keeps the most functionality for both sides of the argument at the same time (still able to search for just the first game OR the second one, still able to search the whole franchise with just one tag, easier to blacklist the first one/the sequel/the whole franchise as needed according to personal feelings on the matter, etc). It retains most of the options while adding a few.

I thought the reason we had a _(series) tag was to distinguish the character from the franchise.

Durandal said:
I thought the reason we had a _(series) tag was to distinguish the character from the franchise.

Depends on the franchise/series in question. Sometimes if the franchise/movie/game/show's name and the main character's name are the same, then something like *_(series) or *_(movie) etc is used to distinguish the franchise from the character sharing the same name. But other times *_(series) is used as an umbrella tag for a franchise, with the individual titles/offshoots/incarnations/characters (that are worth keeping as separate tags from each other), being implicated off of it.

Daneasaur said:
I vote with the implication. It's the same universe and the new animatronics have their own names now (even 'New Foxy" is now "The Mangle").

The ability to search for FNAF1 stuff would be by simply trying in the name of the FNAF character you want to see ( bonnie_(fnaf) for example ).

Since that tag is for the FNAF1 stuff, you'd find it there, whereas toy_bonnie_(fnaf) would lead you to the second incarnation.

You know, if people just want to see one game, but not the other, could we have some other implication, like for the game creator as a copyright? Admittedly, I don't like having to enter ~five_nights_at_freddy's ~five_nights_at_freddy's_2 every time I want to see images for either game.

we could use the developer's company normally, but he's just one guy using his name as the developer... I dunno.

Halite said:
we could use the developer's company normally, but he's just one guy using his name as the developer... I dunno.

Well, we could use Scott_Cawthon as an artist tag and Scott_Cawthon_(developer) as a copyright tag, maybe?

Furrin_Gok said:
Well, we could use Scott_Cawthon as an artist tag and Scott_Cawthon_(developer) as a copyright tag, maybe?

God not as an artist tag, unless it's official art from the game(s).
I could see that copyright tag though, it would make sense.

Halite said:
God not as an artist tag, unless it's official art from the game(s).
I could see that copyright tag though, it would make sense.

Well, the artist tag only exists on official pre-release images of the characters, anyways.

Should also alias fnaf to five_nights_at_freddy's and fnaf2/fnaf_2 to five_nights_at_freddy's_2 if it hasn't already been done.