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Before you ask, yes I’ve seen there’s people that asked before me and explanations were given, but the explanations were chalked up to either not being an actual explanation or being “There are other sites for human content”

Just because one has the content doesn’t mean people will like going there for the content. For example, I use Rule34 sites and Gelbooru

Gelbooru is somewhat acceptable and it’s trying to clean up the tags for searches to be easier, they however don’t offer the sort of search bar autocorrect for the right term/tag that matches what you’re looking for in different words

Rule34 (.xxx, .net, ETC) sites are completely devoid of that, the tags are all over the place, and it makes it way harder to find anything without scrolling for an hour, or trying to test each and every possible synonym. What’s worse about those sites though is majority of the ones that have rule34 in the name have turned into borderline mobile games with how many ads they have.

Opened a page? Replaced the previous tab with an ad that intentionally opens itself dozens of times so you can’t just roll back the page, sometimes completely bricking the page, tried clicking to get those annoying ads that just use stolen art as advertisement or show a disembodied penis fucking a bottle of apple cider vinegar? Nope! Instead you get XXX FREE SPANKFUCKBANGSTEPSISTERAMONGDRIPCOMPILATION.CUM

The one sanctuary away from it all that I know other than Gelbooru which is still slightly off with search and such, is e621, there’s no scams anywhere, no penetrating apple cider vinegar, only a few instances of cheese graters, and Esix

But what if I want to look for an image of say, a chonky human shortstack, I can’t do that here unless there’s some anthro (or feral) related stuff involved, or if it’s some humanoid loopholery or whatever else

Sorry for the probably rant-ish ten paragraph essay, I get “passionate” with certain subjects

TL;DR: the website doesn’t allow human only content for whatever reason, and I can’t find any explanation anywhere other than another forum post where the closest explanation was “Other sites have human stuff”

yaboithiccdiccderg said:
TL;DR: the website doesn’t allow human only content for whatever reason, and I can’t find any explanation anywhere other than another forum post where the closest explanation was “Other sites have human stuff”

Because this is a site for furry art. That's what it was created for, and it's stayed that way to maintain a focused identity, so as to not become Yet Another Generic Booru. Most other boorus also tend to have restrictions on furry art, so having one dedicated to it makes finding said art easier.

E6 deletes human only posts because it's intended to be a furry art archival site. Humanoids and other not furry, but not human, content (such as the amorphous blob that is Ditto or the waddling head that is Kirby) is tolerated here, but isn't the main focus of the site.

watsit said:
Because this is a site for furry art. That's what it was created for, and it's stayed that way to maintain a focused identity, so as to not become Yet Another Generic Booru. Most other boorus also tend to have restrictions on furry art, so having one dedicated to it makes finding said art easier.

What most others are you talking about? Every “Booru” I’ve been too, there’s anthros, even when I don’t look for them

But this wouldn’t become a generic booru just because it had humans without some non-human acting as a crutch for the porn to prevent it falling over and off the site, it would become THE booru, for God’s sake if people could upload their plain human hentai here all of the others would probably lose most of their population because of the superior UI and programming on e6

That was like my whole point with the post, this site is so much better that its honestly disappointing that it restricts it like that

Admittedly, with the introduction of the human_only tag, people could blacklist such posts.

yaboithiccdiccderg said:
But this wouldn’t become a generic booru just because it had humans without some non-human acting as a crutch for the porn to prevent it falling over and off the site, it would become THE booru,

This is a thought that I've had before. Other sites tend to have rather weak tagging layouts or requirements. Inkbunny works well as a Gallery site since it requires tags and allows a blacklist, but... Just as e621 doesn't allow human only posts, Inkbunny doesn't allow any humans on their questionable-or-worse images.

for God’s sake if people could upload their plain human hentai here all of the others would probably lose most of their population because of the superior UI and programming on e6

This however, poses a problem. While the competition could encourage them to actually upgrade their systems, it could also cause the downfall of a large number of sites, and some artists may have gone into DNP here but intentionally allowed posts on those other sites.

furrin_gok said:
Admittedly, with the introduction of the human_only tag, people could blacklist such posts.

Issue there is, trickle of human-only posts are fine when they're related to furry posts (e.g. comics, multi-post sequences that have some human-only images strewn about), but having a flood of human-only content completely unrelated to furry stuff is a problem. For me, the amount of basically-human content already under the legend of zelda tag is annoying to wade through, but it's not human_only because elves are humanoid (even when the only difference is slightly pointy ears), so at best it's not_furry. But things like Midna and Gardevoir are considered humanoid too despite being much more different from humans, so are technically in the same humanoid+not_furry camp as humans with pointy ears.

watsit said:
Issue there is, trickle of human-only posts are fine when they're related to furry posts (e.g. comics, multi-post sequences that have some human-only images strewn about), but having a flood of human-only content completely unrelated to furry stuff is a problem. For me, the amount of basically-human content already under the legend of zelda tag is annoying to wade through, but it's not human_only because elves are humanoid (even when the only difference is slightly pointy ears), so at best it's not_furry. But things like Midna and Gardevoir are considered humanoid too despite being much more different from humans, so are technically in the same humanoid+not_furry camp as humans with pointy ears.

Hm, perhaps the human only tag needs some further defining? That's for another thread though.

The analogy that makes the most sense is think of it like restaurants. Complaining that e621 doesn't allow human-only art is like complaining that a sushi joint doesn't also serve tacos. Or like, complaining that your vegetarian family doesn't appreciate when you show up to the family potluck with a plate of steaks.

If e621 allowed human-only content as a rule, the furry-focus of the site would get lost, and it would become far worse at being a site for furry art specifically in a multitude of ways (and that's even considering the ability to blacklist). Just like how a restaurant which tried to serve too many different types of food would become worse at serving the type of food it used to specialize in, regardless of if you order that new sort of food.

You have ten thousand other sites which cater to human interests. Use those. This site's not for that, and while I can't speak for everyone, I certainly don't appreciate you trying to take it way from that. It's frustrating to me that when someone already has the vast majority of all sites catering to their interests, that they complain about the super minority that doesn't. Let us peasants have our scraps and leave us be.

because e621 is based and humans are cringe 😎😎😎

Allowing human only content would degrade the quality of this site. I come here for furry content. If you want human content go elsewhere

secretfox said:
Allowing human only content would degrade the quality of this site. I come here for furry content. If you want human content go elsewhere

Ive never understood this argument.

If there are standards in place? How would it degrade?

It wouldnt and thats just silly.

Anyway op human only used to be allowed. Now its not. Its an arbitrary choice to streamline content and differentiate e6 from something like rule34 or paheal

secretfox said:
Allowing human only content would degrade the quality of this site. I come here for furry content. If you want human content go elsewhere

demesejha said:
Ive never understood this argument.

If there are standards in place, How would it degrade?

I have to agree with this bit. Having some human only images amidst comics doesn't suddenly degrade the comic's quality.

clawdragons said:
If e621 allowed human-only content as a rule, the furry-focus of the site would get lost, and it would become far worse at being a site for furry art specifically in a multitude of ways (and that's even considering the ability to blacklist). Just like how a restaurant which tried to serve too many different types of food would become worse at serving the type of food it used to specialize in, regardless of if you order that new sort of food.

I'm not so sure about that. Looking through date:<2015-01-01, there seems to be plenty of good, high quality furry art. Some of the stuff was bad, but we also had lesser quality control back then.
As for the count of human images, I blacklisted the following to get some numbers:
human -anthro -feral not_furry
The first page: 1/3 human/not_furry
second page: 12/2 (Something clearly isn't tagged this far back)
third page: 1/1
fourth page: 5/3
Considering this is with 75 posts per page, there's hardly any that those tags apply to. The second page shows that yes, there can be a sudden influx, but these are typically spread far apart and at worst take up two or three rows worth. Going by the restaraunt comparison, it's more like two restaraunts operating from the same counter: They can still have their own kitchens, and the products from either side are just as great, but you're given a greater choice when making your order.

e6 is and has always been a booru for furry art. The diligence with which not_furry content is kept off of e6 has varied over the years but the focus has always been furry art.

yaboithiccdiccderg said:
it would become THE booru, for God’s sake if people could upload their plain human hentai here

Why hentai only? Why not actual photos? Why not screenshots? Why not memes? We could become THE image host.

Do you understand the point I'm making?

demesejha said:
Ive never understood this argument.

If there are standards in place? How would it degrade?

Because it's less focused. Quality is subjective, and to some people, the focus on furry art is what makes the site stand out. Allowing human-only art would degrade the quality of the site for such people as there's more human stuff to contend with against the furry stuff that's being sought. It's not as if simply allowing human-only art would have absolutely no effect on the site for people looking for furry art... I've explained earlier how you can't effectively blacklist it without collateral damage, and the blacklist system itself has some issues that would be more prominent (such as it working client-side and not paginating correctly). Not to mention how it would attract people only looking for human porn, and bringing them together with people only looking for furry porn, which isn't a nice recipe on a large scale.

Human-only content (except when part of interspecies-related comics, I've uploaded a few of those: post #1205627, post #1206951) is literally the exact stuff that I signed up to avoid.

I will venture to say, that many if not most of the users of this site, eventually made escapades to human-only content sites, just for variety.

(I know I do xD )

However, what you have here is an explosion and celebration of human (paradox!) imagination and talent.

I agree with those that say that this is a "furry" site, and that we have to appreciate its uniqueness, while it lasts.

furrin_gok said:
I'm not so sure about that. Looking through date:<2015-01-01, there seems to be plenty of good, high quality furry art. Some of the stuff was bad, but we also had lesser quality control back then.

My issue isn't that the art itself would be worse. See Watsit's excellent response for some of the sorts of issues I was referring to.

Added to that, issues like staff, volunteers, etc., and their interests, many site features still forcing you to navigate past blacklisted images (even if they aren't displayed - ex: top-of-page arrow navigation, comment searches), typical user experience (typical user isn't as proficient with power searching or power blacklisting, so problems are amplified), tag projects and turning off the blacklist under some circumstances, loss of site identity, etc..

Personally the single biggest problem would be changes to the site identity and community which would result. Like Watsit mentioned, furries and nonfurries don't often get along too well, and injecting a bunch of nonfurries into a furry community is a great way to make those original users unhappy and leave.

Humans are boring. Furries? They're never boring.

kemonophonic said:
Humans are boring. Furries? They're never boring.

Speak for yourself. I always enjoy some Samus or Rosalina.

yaboithiccdiccderg said:
TL;DR: the website doesn’t allow human only content for whatever reason, and I can’t find any explanation anywhere other than another forum post where the closest explanation was “Other sites have human stuff”

Because that is the answer. This is a furry-focused site. Nothing more nothing less.

Instead of arguing that e621 should include not furry art, how about going to rule 34 xxx and arguing for better tagging, since that seems to be the main reason you want e621 to stray from its focus? It would be a lot more productive than insisting the site cater to your whims because you apparently think the world revolves around your desires.

demesejha said:
Ive never understood this argument.

If there are standards in place? How would it degrade?

watsit said:
Because it's less focused. Quality is subjective, and to some people, the focus on furry art is what makes the site stand out. Allowing human-only art would degrade the quality of the site for such people as there's more human stuff to contend with against the furry stuff that's being sought. It's not as if simply allowing human-only art would have absolutely no effect on the site for people looking for furry art... I've explained earlier how you can't effectively blacklist it without collateral damage, and the blacklist system itself has some issues that would be more prominent (such as it working client-side and not paginating correctly). Not to mention how it would attract people only looking for human porn, and bringing them together with people only looking for furry porn, which isn't a nice recipe on a large scale.

Exactly this

blacklicorice said:
This is a furry-focused site. Nothing more nothing less.

Also this.

jfrankparnell said:
Instead of arguing that e621 should include not furry art, how about going to rule 34 xxx and arguing for better tagging, since that seems to be the main reason you want e621 to stray from its focus? It would be a lot more productive than insisting the site cater to your whims because you apparently think the world revolves around your desires.

I tried. The mods yelled at me. Wait, that was Paheal, not XXX. Still, I prefer Paheal over XXX.

Other sites being run like garbage isn't a good reasoning to having e621, a non-human content site be clogged up and run down by the dwarfing amount of human content. I've seen "x site is garbage and I don't want to use it" be used as an excuse one to many times.

demesejha said:
Ive never understood this argument.

If there are standards in place? How would it degrade?

It wouldnt and thats just silly.

Anyway op human only used to be allowed. Now its not. Its an arbitrary choice to streamline content and differentiate e6 from something like rule34 or paheal

I mean if we want to maintain this website for furry art instead of devolving into yet another rule34 pornsite, then disallowing humans has been one really great way to achieve that, because almost all humans by lore I delete are rule34 porn and users getting confused that this wasn't rule34 site.
Also other really similar site for us, Gelbooru, only hosts japanese artwork and disallows western stuff. My Anime List doesn't accept Avatar as anime, because it's western cartoon instead of japanese one. Inkbunny disallows humans in sexual content, furaffinity doesn't allow pure human galleries to be put up, etc. etc.

Look at this graph
That is weekly amount of posts from last year, there is consistant upwards trend. Then remember that everything of posts is crowdsourced and still manually curated by literally handful of people voluntarily.
Allowing humans on the mix would make that amount even higher, so we would need to then think how fundemendally change the system. There are several possibilities, including giving power to approve and delete posts for more people which could be harder group to maintain and hit the consistancy, autodelete posts with specific parameters which could hit fetishes and safe material really hard, autoapprove all uploads and rely on user flagging instead which could have content bypass on basis that people love it, etc. etc. but that would need to be discussed and done first before broading the scope.

furrin_gok said:
I tried. The mods yelled at me. Wait, that was Paheal, not XXX. Still, I prefer Paheal over XXX.

Honestly I have trouble understanding how, for how many more fans of humans there are in the world, for how big of an industry porn is, for how many sites there are, and how much demand... that what I hear from people who like humans is consistently that the searching, tagging, etc., is awful. From what I hear, a lot of the popular sites people use for pornography don't even make it easy to search / filter content by the gender of the participants?

I don't know. I'm an outsider to all this. I just find it odd.

I do wish there were better sites for people. Even if it's not my thing, I know I appreciate the tagging system on e621 (generally), and I understand the frustration of not having that in other cases. I don't think that means that e621 should broaden its scope or drop its focus, but I do hope sometime that you'll get what you want. I felt like I was coming across as rather abrasive (it's been an extremely rough few weeks) and I wanted to make it clear that wasn't my intent at all, and I apologize to anyone who I might have bothered.

clawdragons said:
Honestly I have trouble understanding how, for how many more fans of humans there are in the world, for how big of an industry porn is, for how many sites there are, and how much demand... that what I hear from people who like humans is consistently that the searching, tagging, etc., is awful. From what I hear, a lot of the popular sites people use for pornography don't even make it easy to search / filter content by the gender of the participants?

I don't know. I'm an outsider to all this. I just find it odd.

I do wish there were better sites for people. Even if it's not my thing, I know I appreciate the tagging system on e621 (generally), and I understand the frustration of not having that in other cases. I don't think that means that e621 should broaden its scope or drop its focus, but I do hope sometime that you'll get what you want. I felt like I was coming across as rather abrasive (it's been an extremely rough few weeks) and I wanted to make it clear that wasn't my intent at all, and I apologize to anyone who I might have bothered.

Honestly, if Dragon Fruit opened up another site which had a human/humanoid focus instead of furry, I'd be all for it. Best of both worlds, the same tagging system for a human-centric archive, without interfering with the furry-centric archive.

I fully understand the point that this is a furry-focused site and allowing human-only posts would screw up the focus of the site. At the same time, it would be really nice if there was another booru that was as well tagged and populated as e621, but also allowed human art.

I think the main reason there isn't one, is because most of the porn people consume is live action. Hentai/erotic art is more niche in the West and the English-speaking world, and the furry art community seems to dominate the adult art scene in this part of the world. Especially since furries don't exist in real life, so all furry porn has to be drawn/animated instead of live action. Although thanks to the internet, hentai and rule 34 art have been becoming popular.

hurr_durr said:
I think the main reason there isn't one, is because most of the porn people consume is live action. Hentai/erotic art is more niche in the West and the English-speaking world, and the furry art community seems to dominate the adult art scene in this part of the world.

I think you'd be surprised. Furry art may have more cohesive cliques but there's still a heck of a lot more human/oid porn art being churned out by Western artists.
Hell, in the (by subscriber count) top 50 NSFW artists on Patreon there's only two furry artists I can spot, and five or so in the next 50.

The only possibility would be a separate site dedicated to human art using the same "engine".

kamril said:
The only possibility would be a separate site dedicated to human art using the same "engine".

🤔

lance_armstrong said:

🤔

E621 was a heavily modified Danbooru engine, but wasn't it rebuilt? Was the rebuild still done using a Danbooru engine, just with less noodle additions?

furrin_gok said:
E621 was a heavily modified Danbooru engine, but wasn't it rebuilt? Was the rebuild still done using a Danbooru engine, just with less noodle additions?

It's still a heavily modified fork of Danbooru. Open-source, too.
https://github.com/zwagoth/e621ng

lance_armstrong said:

🤔

Huh. The e621 entry is outdated – the API example is wrong.

I like toddlercon.
I don't know of any other booru sites besides Pixiv that openly allow it and encourage blacklisting instead, the way e6 does.

I fully understand wanting to be seperate, but, have the owners considered a human only branch of the site? It's desperately needed. I love both furry and nonfurry content. I fully recognize the success of the furry community in this site and Inkbunny, but I wish human content had something like this too.