Topic: What happened to the Switch tag?

Posted under Tag/Wiki Projects and Questions

The "Switch" tag I'm referring to is the descriptor for an individual who both tops and bottoms in a single picture, or a picture featuring such activity. Not the Nintendo Switch or anything of the sort. I used to apply it to images all the time. This tag even has a wiki entry, which properly describes the tag as being what I mentioned above.

Yet the tag is now aliased for some reason to "Switch (disambiguation)". Why? I'm like 90% sure it wasn't like this before. Am I supposed to apply Switch (disambiguation) to images where a character both penetrates and is penetrated by another character? (Example: post #2479837) Searching for this tag brings up tons of unrelated images to this circumstance, most of which are likely tagged because there is something with a toggle switch on it such as a computer or a light switch.

I feel like I'm missing something, and it may very well be quite obvious, but I don't see it.

disambiguation means that there are multiple things which are getting tagged with that while there are more specific alternatives available. A good example for that would be a generic name like blaze_(disambiguation). In this case it looks like people mostly used the tag instead of nitendo_switch, switch_dog or light_switch

See topic #21174 for the discussion around that. I don't know if there's a replacement for what you want, it's not a tag I would know.

The tag you were supposed to be using is lucky_pierre. Also, doesn't "switch" usually mean that you don't mind whether you top or bottom, not necessarily that you are currently doing both at the same time?

wat8548 said:
The tag you were supposed to be using is lucky_pierre.

i have literally never heard "lucky pierre" until this very moment

wat8548 said:
Also, doesn't "switch" usually mean that you don't mind whether you top or bottom, not necessarily that you are currently doing both at the same time?

That's my understanding of the term as well.

wat8548 said:
The tag you were supposed to be using is lucky_pierre. Also, doesn't "switch" usually mean that you don't mind whether you top or bottom, not necessarily that you are currently doing both at the same time?

I think they mean a multiple_images or sequence picture, where a character is topping in one image and bottoming in another. That's not lucky_pierre (which I also didn't know about until relatively recently).

sexygriffon said:
Yet the tag is now aliased for some reason to "Switch (disambiguation)". Why?

You alluded to it yourself:

sexygriffon said:
The "Switch" tag I'm referring to is the descriptor for an individual who both tops and bottoms in a single picture, or a picture featuring such activity. Not the Nintendo Switch or anything of the sort.

Because the Switch console has been seeing some use in tags, people would erroneously use that thinking it meant the console rather than a person being a "switch". A switch can also mean a light switch or some kind of toggle button. It may have been fine enough initially for a while, but more people started using it to mean different things and it became more ambiguous over time, leading to it needing to be disambiguated. As for a more specific tag for what you want, I don't know of anything off the top of my head. You may need to discuss it to come up with something.

It looks like I wasn't quite clear. Watsit has it correct, I'm not talking about being in the middle of a sandwich during a threesome (Lucky Pierre. I DID actually know about that tag). I do mean images with multiple images, comics, or animations where Character A penetrates Character B, and then afterwards Character B penetrates Character A.

I do understand the need for disambiguation tags. However what I don't understand is this: The switch has a specific definition as listed on its wiki page, which describes exactly what I'm talking about. This means that this IS the specific tag meant to be used to describe pictures of this that I described above. However, because it's aliased, when it's added to a picture that it should properly be on, the tag will then automatically change itself to the disambiguation tag.

It was my understanding (at least, from working on other Wikis), that the direct use of disambiguation should be discouraged. In trying to avoid the mistagging of the Nintendo console, it feels like the devs kind of forgot about the sex act and left it behind...

sexygriffon said:
I do understand the need for disambiguation tags. However what I don't understand is this: The switch has a specific definition as listed on its wiki page, which describes exactly what I'm talking about. This means that this IS the specific tag meant to be used to describe pictures of this that I described above.

People can still use it wrong despite the wiki. If the tag needs regular cleanup because people use it for multiple different things, or there's a legitimate concern enough people would use it for different things without looking at the wiki, because the tag seems to be self-explanatory, that suggests the word is too ambiguous to use directly. e.g. someone sees a switch on a wall, and innocently tags switch because that's what they see, not realizing it could mean something else. By aliasing it to switch_(disambiguation) (which should also be put into the Invalid category so it appears at the top of the tag list in red), that makes it more obvious that the tag doesn't just mean what you may think it does, and the wiki would suggest more precise tags to use instead.

sexygriffon said:
It was my understanding (at least, from working on other Wikis), that the direct use of disambiguation should be discouraged.

Yes. And when a tag is aliased to a disambiguation tag, that means the tag that was aliased is too ambiguous. See also, couple/couple_(disambiguation). What happened here is someone aliased switch to switch_(disambiguation, but didn't fill out the disambiguation wiki to suggest less ambiguous tags to use instead. For a person who's a switch in regards to having sex, a new non-ambiguous tag may be needed if one doesn't already exist.

I'm not sure I can think of any examples of tags which refer to specific combinations of multiple_images, let alone one appropriate here. The site's tagging system doesn't work well in general with anything other than single, still images. Hell, we just had a debate over the application of character count tags to comic pages.

wat8548 said:
I'm not sure I can think of any examples of tags which refer to specific combinations of multiple_images, let alone one appropriate here. The site's tagging system doesn't work well in general with anything other than single, still images. Hell, we just had a debate over the application of character count tags to comic pages.

That's more to do with how to categorize and count characters in a post, less about multiple_images itself. A tag indicating a character tops in one image, and bottoms in another, should be perfectly fine as long as it's in the same post.

wat8548 said:
I'm not sure I can think of any examples of tags which refer to specific combinations of multiple_images, let alone one appropriate here. The site's tagging system doesn't work well in general with anything other than single, still images. Hell, we just had a debate over the application of character count tags to comic pages.

Here's the posts I previously tagged or attempted to tag as Switch:
post #2620229
post #1265246
post #2479837
post #2758421
post #2697370

And a couple more I thought of just off the top of my head:
post #2165938
post #2737103
post #2506393
post #1866637

Could probably find more if I spent some time and looked through my favourites.

Anyway, not to get too personal, but Switches are a thing I really enjoy seeing so that's why I want a tag for it that I can search for. In a perfect world I'd like to apply it to sets of pictures as well, but I know that isn't supported by the site's TWYS rules. But either way, if we do need a more specific tag, I know that the act itself is sometimes informally referred to as "Switch fucking", such as on Pornhub. I'm not sure if that would be valid or not...

sexygriffon said:
But either way, if we do need a more specific tag, I know that the act itself is sometimes informally referred to as "Switch fucking", such as on Pornhub. I'm not sure if that would be valid or not...

The site seems to be moving away from the more crass terms like fuck, cock, tits, and such (you'll still find some, but a bunch have been aliased to more tame terms, sex, penis, breasts, etc, instead). switch_sex could work, although I'd be curious of instances where a character is acting like a bottom (e.g. rubbing their butt against someone else's crotch, while clothed), then acting as a top, without actually having sex.

sexygriffon said:
In a perfect world I'd like to apply it to sets of pictures as well, but I know that isn't supported by the site's TWYS rules.

Funny you should use the word "set", because this sounds like exactly the kind of thing a set would be useful for. As you say, it'd only be possible to support what you want with a tag for some (probably a minority) of applicable situations.

Also, would vers work here?

wat8548 said:
Funny you should use the word "set", because this sounds like exactly the kind of thing a set would be useful for. As you say, it'd only be possible to support what you want with a tag for some (probably a minority) of applicable situations.

Also, would vers work here?

I mean, there's no images under vers yet, so I guess it won't introduce any confusion. It needs to be turned into a general tag again though.

Apparently there's a distinction between switch and vers, but it's the same distinction between top/bottom and dom/sub, and this site doesn't distinguish them, so...

I guess create vers and alias versatile to it to avoid mistagging. Or the opposite, I don't know.

Just letting people know that I stated developing the tag versatile for this and I'll be doing a wiki page shortly.

I tried to find posts on human_on_anthro anthro_on_human human_on_feral feral_on_human and feral_on_anthro anthro_on_feral.

Now I'll try to clean the switch_(disambiguation) one. Any help would be appreciated.

Another ideia: maybe the tag role_reversal could be implied from versatile.

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