These tags should all be categorized as "Meta":

french_audio
english_audio
german_audio
spanish_audio
japanese_audio

I wonder if they may be better tagged *_speech, rather than *_audio. Instrumental music using Japanese instruments for a "Japanese sound" could be classified as japanese_audio, even if created by American composers and played by European musicians. Or how movies, shows, and games may have different soundtracks and sound effects in different regions (or character grunts or yells from region-specific VAs). But the intended use case seems to be tagging the language someone is speaking or singing in.

A BUR can be made to alias *_audio tags to *_speech, and set the *_speech tags' category to Meta. Or a BUR can be made to set the *_audio tags' category to Meta without the aliases.

The bulk update request #1026 has been rejected.

create alias english_audio (1315) -> english_speech (0)
create alias french_audio (20) -> french_speech (0)
create alias german_audio (3) -> german_speech (0)
create alias japanese_audio (142) -> japanese_speech (0)
create alias spanish_audio (108) -> spanish_speech (0)
create implication english_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication french_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication german_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication japanese_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication spanish_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
change category english_speech (0) -> meta
change category french_speech (0) -> meta
change category german_speech (0) -> meta
change category japanese_speech (0) -> meta
change category spanish_speech (0) -> meta

Reason: Aliasing the *_audio tags to the *_speech tags, changing the category of the *_speech tags to the Meta tag category, as well as implicating the *_speech tags to sound.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1026 (forum #312049) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

d.d.m. said:
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Maybe it'd be overkill, but would it be worth adding other languages to the BUR? Like the tags implicated to text.

strikerman said:
Maybe it'd be overkill, but would it be worth adding other languages to the BUR? Like the tags implicated to text.

Yeah I could, however I'm not sure whether folks think fictional languages should be included too (I'm also unsure which of them are fictional languages, but this won't matter if folks think fictional languages should also be included).

d.d.m. said:
Yeah I could, however I'm not sure whether folks think fictional languages should be included too (I'm also unsure which of them are fictional languages, but this won't matter if folks think fictional languages should also be included).

Let's pass on fictional languages for this, at lease for the moment. I doubt anyone is going to write porn dialogue in elvish... and then we'd have to find somebody who knows what author's version of elvish it is, anyway.

d.d.m. said:
Yeah I could, however I'm not sure whether folks think fictional languages should be included too (I'm also unsure which of them are fictional languages, but this won't matter if folks think fictional languages should also be included).

I agree with VotP on fictional languages. The likelihood of someone going to the effort of writing porn dialogue in Klingon is extremely low (although possible — the Klingon Language Institute has translated a number of English works into tlhIngan Hol from some of Shakespeare's plays to "The Wizard of Oz"). It's just a whole lot of effort for too little reward. If someone ever bothers to post something with klingon_audio/klingon_speech, then we can convert it to a meta tag.

votp said:
I doubt anyone is going to write porn dialogue in elvish...

clawstripe said:
The likelihood of someone going to the effort of writing porn dialogue in Klingon is extremely low

what about sfw dialogue

strikerman said:
what about sfw dialogue

Not as low, but still low. It's a lot of effort to write something coherent in Klingon for some niche bit of furry animation (as in it makes sense in English, is properly constructed in Klingon, and is correctly pronounced) when it would be far simpler and easier to use English or some other real world language that has actual native speakers. Again, it's not outside the realm of possibility, especially if someone decides to make one out of simple cussedness, but again, it's a very low possibility. It can be future-proofed if someone really feels like it. There's nothing stopping that, and I don't necessarily have a problem with it. However, I think we can hold off on the more uncommon and niche languages until a post using them is uploaded, instead focusing on the tags most likely to be used here for now.

If someone can write a list of languages that are real (these can probably derived from the tags currently implicated to text), I can make a new BUR for them (or add them to the BUR above).

d.d.m. said:
If someone can write a list of languages that are real (these can probably derived from the tags currently implicated to text), I can make a new BUR for them (or add them to the BUR above).

Doesn't Wikipedia have a list of languages that aren't dead knocking around somewhere? I'm a bit too weak and low-energy as of late to go digging for it, myself.

The lists there are quite long, it would probably be easier to review the existing implications to text (since the list of implications to text is shorter).

I left in conlang as a catch-all, but everything else should be a real language.

(incidentally there's indian_text, which has 0 posts and also makes 0 sense. i left that one out.)

strikerman said:

languages!

english_speech
japanese_speech
spanish_speech
arabic_speech
chinese_speech
french_speech
german_speech
korean_speech
italian_speech
polish_speech
portuguese_speech
russian_speech
swedish_speech
finnish_speech
hindi_speech
thai_speech
serbian_speech
hungarian_speech
malaysian_speech
ukrainian_speech
greek_speech
filipino_speech
dutch_speech
danish_speech
norwegian_speech
hebrew_speech
czech_speech
cyrillic_speech
turkish_speech
hawaiian_speech
afrikaans_speech
bulgarian_speech
catalan_speech
cebuano_speech
estonian_speech
gaelic_speech
hiligaynon_speech
irish_speech
indian_speech
indonesian_speech
latin_speech
khmer_speech
latvian_speech
luxembourgish_speech
nahuatl_speech
persian_speech
slovak_speech
tagalog_speech
tamil_speech
vietnamese_speech
welsh_speech
conlang_speech
unknown_speech

I left in conlang as a catch-all, but everything else should be a real language.

(incidentally there's indian_text, which has 0 posts and also makes 0 sense. i left that one out.)

As far as I'm aware, Cyrillic isn't a language; it's a writing system.

Also, I wonder if we should also add Esperanto_speech to the list? It's technically a constructed language, but it's not a "fictional" language. It's an auxiliary language that some people actually use.

crocogator said:
As far as I'm aware, Cyrillic isn't a language; it's a writing system.

I've heard a lot people use "cyrillic" as a catch-all for all the slavic languages in spite of this. To be fair, in a lot of cases the differences between them are similar to Mexican Spanish versus Spain Spanish, or Portugal Portuguese vs Brazilian Portuguese. Some are more distinct than others, perhaps "slavic_audio" would work better if we don't use all of the different languages more specifically?

The bulk update request #1026 (forum #312049) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

user_187249 said:
The bulk update request #1026 has been rejected.

create alias english_audio (1315) -> english_speech (0)
create alias french_audio (20) -> french_speech (0)
create alias german_audio (3) -> german_speech (0)
create alias japanese_audio (142) -> japanese_speech (0)
create alias spanish_audio (108) -> spanish_speech (0)
create implication english_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication french_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication german_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication japanese_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
create implication spanish_speech (0) -> sound (40338)
change category english_speech (0) -> meta
change category french_speech (0) -> meta
change category german_speech (0) -> meta
change category japanese_speech (0) -> meta
change category spanish_speech (0) -> meta

Reason: Aliasing the *_audio tags to the *_speech tags, changing the category of the *_speech tags to the Meta tag category, as well as implicating the *_speech tags to sound.

EDIT: The bulk update request #1026 (forum #312049) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

Huh, that's quite a number of upvotes.
What are peoples opinion on the shift away from audio to speech, almost 3 years later?

snpthecat said:
Huh, that's quite a number of upvotes.
What are peoples opinion on the shift away from audio to speech, almost 3 years later?

i'm sort of more comfortable with audio than speech. even if watsit's point about *_audio could be mistaken for anything musical, speech tags may also leave with misinterpretation of standalone posts of characters talking in specific language in speech bubble as "speech". it's a tie at this point, though i find audio tags feel right.

snake-girl said:
i'm sort of more comfortable with audio than speech. even if watsit's point about *_audio could be mistaken for anything musical, speech tags may also leave with misinterpretation of standalone posts of characters talking in specific language in speech bubble as "speech". it's a tie at this point, though i find audio tags feel right.

Currently the rationale behind not having *_audio imply voice_acted is that *_audio could encompass music, so that ship has already sailed. Though that seems to be about already existing songs, rather than a country's instruments.