It’s really frustrating me right now while scrolling thru an artist I like whose work isn’t on here. Too much clicking, scrolling, reloading… it’s fucking awful.

Yeah, Twitter sucks for art, and for that matter Tumblr sucked too before everyone left, but at least it had an archive view.

Twitter is terrible

Agreed. Twitter makes finding anything a pain in the ass. If you see something you like, you better download or save it, because finding it later isn't going to be easy.

Twitter would be at least slightly more tolerable if the "Media" tab wasn't locked behind login for no fucking reason.

Twitter and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Twitter's entire purpose is showing off what's Current and what's Popular, not for showing off what's Old. It's fine for artists to post there, but they should also have a real gallery.

Oh, yes, does it suck for for finding, sharing, and storing art.

That said, at least whotwi at least provides a gallery viewer for looking through images on people's Twitter accounts, although it covers all tweets and retweets with media from that user instead only their own media tweets.

The fact that Twitter compresses all images uploaded to it annoys me a hell of a lot more than the terrible interface and the toxic user base.
If it were just a social media platform, I would ignore it like the rest of them. But some artists treat it as their main gallery, which pisses me off to no end.

Twitter's definitely one of the worst for art galleries, but I swear a lot of sites have their own pitfalls. Tumblr shows lower-quality art by default (and also no horny), Newgrounds reduces the size of art on multi-posts, Furaffinity makes everything 1280p unless the art's reuploaded, and so on and so forth.

Twitter really needs a tab that shows only a user's posts instead of retweets. I'm not trying to scroll through pages of commission signal boosts from artists i'm not interested in just to see a pic from 4 days ago.

Agreed, there i mostly upload shitpost/fast art, I prefer saving the best in other galleries.

Definitely. The best strategy is to use it just as a means of communication and for not so important pictures. The real ones that need the whole quality should be shared via Tweets that link to an external site that treats them better

That moment when you get decent-quality 1280x1280 artworks on the artist's FA while getting terribly-compressed 4096x4096 artworks on their Twitter. 🙃

Yeah, the whole compression thing really grinds my gears. But alas, that’s where most of the eyes are unfortunately

thehuskyk9 said:
Yeah, the whole compression thing really grinds my gears. But alas, that’s where most of the eyes are unfortunately

Mood. I've seen many artist say they don't care about it.
Tweet traction over image quality mindset.

Twitter's search function is borderline useless, the video player is garbage, compression is ass, general stability is poor.

Community wise, Furry Twitter tends to be a uniquely repulsive mix of typical Twitter toxicity mixed with flavor of the week furry politics.

I feel like most people who use it daily get the sense that it negatively impacts their mental health, but the addictive nature of it keeps people from leaving.

Sadly, Twitter ended up being the most popular choice during the Great Tumblr Porn Exodus. It was literally the worst choice possible for art, but the artists preferred the quick chat feature than all gallery features put together. I presume that a service which can incorporate gallery features with a Twitter-like UX could be a viable alternative.

Are there any bots or something that we can use to quickly pull bulk images, descriptions, attributions, etc from twitter and input into e621? Going thru twitter by hand is impossible.

onemoreanonymous said:
Sadly, Twitter ended up being the most popular choice during the Great Tumblr Porn Exodus. It was literally the worst choice possible for art, but the artists preferred the quick chat feature than all gallery features put together. I presume that a service which can incorporate gallery features with a Twitter-like UX could be a viable alternative.

Twitter was winning before Tumblr's purge was even announced. So many artists already stuck to it.

Even tho I get recommendations of putting stuff on Twitter. I don't find it fitting to do so on my account I've been using since 2016.

There's also the compression mechanism that ruins a couple of artwork being uploaded...

The twister in general is terrible, it is like just waking up and opening a can that throws dirt at you.

I cant wait for the fucking day a better website comes and replaces twitter

"If you have nothing good to say then say nothing."
Not really familiar with Twitter but I can take everyone's words and believe that it's flawed. But hey it has a comment section at least.

notgodokay said:
"If you have nothing good to say then say nothing."
Not really familiar with Twitter but I can take everyone's words and believe that it's flawed. But hey it has a comment section at least.

what doesn't have a comment section

Agreed. Even ignoring some of it's inhabitants, the website is awful. You can easily tell it was meant for quick news/update type posts when people use it for other purposes.

An art gallery is probably the absolute worst way to use it.

strikerman said:
what doesn't have a comment section

Tumblr? That place was just a myriad of note after note, and maybe one or two short comments (but in all likelihood not really).

Another thing I hate about Twitter tho (this has nothing to do with with the art really) is when DMs aren't available, even tho you might just want to talk. But it's just way too easy to feel overwhelmed on there, especially if you already use Discord that much or whatever.

crystali_cast said:
Tumblr? That place was just a myriad of note after note, and maybe one or two short comments (but in all likelihood not really).

Another thing I hate about Twitter tho (this has nothing to do with with the art really) is when DMs aren't available, even tho you might just want to talk. But it's just way too easy to feel overwhelmed on there, especially if you already use Discord that much or whatever.

Tumblr eventually added Replies, long before the purge happened. That was basically comments.

notgodokay said:
"If you have nothing good to say then say nothing."
Not really familiar with Twitter but I can take everyone's words and believe that it's flawed. But hey it has a comment section at least.

Tumblr is only a comments section.

furrin_gok said:
Tumblr eventually added Replies, long before the purge happened. That was basically comments.

Maybe you had to be a member to see then. I was always on the outside, looking in. That purge still po'd me something fierce, maybe because I care about sourc.

And as bad as Twitter is (maybe I'm damning it with faint praise here), I still maintain it's not quite the worst. (Hell, I wonder if the Japanese ever put their works on their own site, Mixi... The one Maximum The Hormone did a song about, Kill All The 394...)

thiggy said:
I cant wait for the fucking day a better website comes and replaces twitter

*cough*Mastodon*cough*
Man, I wish Pixiv wasn't so horribly slow in UI or you know, censored. I've been using gallery-dl with Baraag and Pawoo for single artist archiving. Given that stuff likes to just vanish off the face of the Internet and Archive.org isn't interested... :D I'll admit that many times, I found stuff on E-H that had literally vanished everywhere else and I forgot to save. :(

Ah, I have heard of that one, but it's still in its nascence. And true, Japan and their censorship laws which don't even make sense imo considering that they're like the country that is probably the most "extreme" (like is often said, "only in Japan").

alphamule said:
*cough*Mastodon*cough*
Given that stuff likes to just vanish off the face of the Internet and Archive.org isn't interested...

Use archive.today.

booruhitomi said:
Use archive.today.

I do... I do. But I was thinking more of people that archive entire sites. #datahoarders types on IRC/Reddit/etc.

I don’t understand why artists use twitter when it’s terrible for preservation. Why?

doda58 said:
I don’t understand why artists use twitter when it’s terrible for preservation. Why?

Convenient and simple engagement with fans

Twitter (as well as most SM sites) is terrible for pretty much everything! The UI is a catastrophe of even most basic design and functionality.

strikerman said:
Convenient and simple engagement with fans

So basically "artists use twitter because all their fans use twitter because all their favorite artists use it".... Which probably applies to just about every reason people use it. (well non psychopaths at least) We need to just burn it all down at this point.. and by it I mean social media. Message boards, chat and comments sections are about as close as anything should ever get. (If you want to talk about yourself, that's what blogs are for) They have generally been disastrous for fandoms. It's like turbo charging sell-out culture already pushing things out of their niches and into mainstream. Half the world being members... Suddenly people who wouldn't even be bothered with registering an account in the past, gets an equal voice in commentary. Not even touching on the issues of the ease with which outside interests and motives can gain control of a narrative within a SM based fandom.

Just thinking about twitter... makes me feel like banging my head off a wall for about 15 minutes.

strikerman said:
Convenient and simple engagement with fans

This is also a reason why so many artists have their personal Discord servers now, because they can also integrate it easier with services like Patreon and Twitter if they so desire.
At least Discord preserves the files, just that it's slight pain accessing the servers sometimes.

mairo said:
At least Discord preserves the files, just that it's slight pain accessing the servers sometimes.

It's also impossible to browse and look at, if you don't sign up (unlike Twitter).

Anyone know how to extract a video from twitter without losing any quality (even though they're compressed to hell already)? Some artist only post their animations on twitter and it's a pain to post them here.

metalgear267 said:
Anyone know how to extract a video from twitter without losing any quality (even though they're compressed to hell already)? Some artist only post their animations on twitter and it's a pain to post them here.

youtube-dl can, so any app that uses that as its method of grabbing videos from URLs should work (if you don't want to use it on the command line directly). Just give it the link of the particular tweet with a video or "gif", and it'll be able to grab the mp4. Just be aware it's mp4, so it needs converting to webm if you want to post it here.

I keep seeing uploads from Twitter that keep using the tiny versions of the images and no file source. Is there any way to fix this? It’s really annoying that uploaders are too lazy or ignorant to get the original size. They probably think the upload page is broken and just copy the image to their computer to bypass the blacklist

And if the original twitter post is deleted… you’re stuck with the small size forever

doda58 said:
I keep seeing uploads from Twitter that keep using the tiny versions of the images and no file source. Is there any way to fix this? It’s really annoying that uploaders are too lazy or ignorant to get the original size. They probably think the upload page is broken and just copy the image to their computer to bypass the blacklist

And if the original twitter post is deleted… you’re stuck with the small size forever

I don't think that there is a way to fix this programmatically. If people are intent on uploading a tiny preview, they'll find a way to do that.
Best you can do it tag such images as bvas. And if you have the time, you can always upload the superior versions yourself.

I do hope that the replacements system will get released to the general public at some point in the future. It makes fixing things like that a lot easier.

True, whenever I see my favorite artists on Twitter upload new art I get an "itchy" feeling to upload it onto E621, but the collection is so VAST that it would take me days to find, save, and upload their art here.

For one thing, I already did that for Fox-Pop, Butt Witch, Genice, and SixSided. It took me months just to find all the art through countless twitter scrolling. Got it all in folder though, I'll upload them soon...one day.

Honestly, how do they not see e621 as such a valuable asset to show off their work to those who can appreciate it on mass? This place is so beneficial. One place that holds everything.

Spread the influence, sure, but don't limit yourself to twitter.

Twitter
Newgrounds
Deviantart
Art Station
Hentai Foundry
Ink Bunny
Derpibooru
Danbooru
Pixiv
e621
r34
SoFurry
Patreon
SubscribeStar

ALL THESE OPTIONS

closetpossum said:
Twitter
Newgrounds
Deviantart
Art Station
Hentai Foundry
Ink Bunny
Derpibooru
Danbooru
Pixiv
e621
r34
SoFurry
Patreon
SubscribeStar

ALL THESE OPTIONS

How many of those store the image without any additional lossy compression?

https://e621.net/wiki_pages/howto:sites_and_sources

Favorable sources:

• Blogger, Derpibooru, Furbooru, Furiffic, Furry Network, Eka's Portal, HicceArs, Inkbunny, Newgrounds, Patreon, Piczel, SoFurry, Weasyl
• These sites keep the original upload or an optimized version of the original, which is always the most preferred version to have on e621.
• Pixiv
• Also stores original file, however artists are required to censor sexual body parts from their artwork, which may result in an uncensored version being posted elsewhere.
• Not preferred for animations.
• Discord
• As long as the artist used the desktop client, the quality should stay at the original.
• Because of the nature of the service, please make sure to provide all necessary URLs into the source field.

lance_armstrong said:
How many of those store the image without any additional lossy compression?

https://e621.net/wiki_pages/howto:sites_and_sources

Favorable sources:

• Blogger, Derpibooru, Furbooru, Furiffic, Furry Network, Eka's Portal, HicceArs, Inkbunny, Newgrounds, Patreon, Piczel, SoFurry, Weasyl
• These sites keep the original upload or an optimized version of the original, which is always the most preferred version to have on e621.
• Pixiv
• Also stores original file, however artists are required to censor sexual body parts from their artwork, which may result in an uncensored version being posted elsewhere.
• Not preferred for animations.
• Discord
• As long as the artist used the desktop client, the quality should stay at the original.
• Because of the nature of the service, please make sure to provide all necessary URLs into the source field.

I'm not sure Newgrounds is favorable. For solo pictures sure, but if a post has multiple pictures, any picture beyond the first gets crunched down (at least AFAIK). Example

strikerman said:
I'm not sure Newgrounds is favorable. For solo pictures sure, but if a post has multiple pictures, any picture beyond the first gets crunched down (at least AFAIK). Example

Big if true. Like a note should be added to that wiki page.

lance_armstrong said:
Big if true. Like a note should be added to that wiki page.

Seems that's been true for a good twenty years now.

furrin_gok said:
Seems that's been true for a good twenty years now.

Er, that specific post is from 2019. Tom Fulp's account just happens to be from 1999.

strikerman said:
Er, that specific post is from 2019. Tom Fulp's account just happens to be from 1999.

Ah, whoops, read the wrong timestamp. Thanks for correcting that.

strikerman said:
I'm not sure Newgrounds is favorable. For solo pictures sure, but if a post has multiple pictures, any picture beyond the first gets crunched down (at least AFAIK). Example

Not to mention that newgrounds is forcing .webp conversions for multiple image posts and might be planning to automatically convert ALL images into .webp in the future.

https://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1473798/1

Is there anyway to see a gallery grid-like view of artists posts? It's irritating when an artist only posts their art on twitter and you have to keep scrolling down for ten years to find a specific post.

metalgear267 said:
Is there anyway to see a gallery grid-like view of artists posts? It's irritating when an artist only posts their art on twitter and you have to keep scrolling down for ten years to find a specific post.

There used to be, but they removed it.

Meanwhile, can anyone recommend a Greasemonkey script or similar that auto-deletes that begging pop-up which obscures the page every time you click on something while logged out? The worst part is that they couldn't even be bothered to make the close button work properly - it just kicks you back to the page you clicked from.

wat8548 said:
There used to be, but they removed it.

Meanwhile, can anyone recommend a Greasemonkey script or similar that auto-deletes that begging pop-up which obscures the page every time you click on something while logged out? The worst part is that they couldn't even be bothered to make the close button work properly - it just kicks you back to the page you clicked from.

Just... sign in? It's free. You can have a junk email that you only access to confirm accounts and reset passwords.

Twitter kills me artist-wise because ys straight up cant't view/sort drawings. The media tab doesn't help.

ankkamuikkunen said:
Twitter kills me artist-wise because ys straight up cant't view/sort drawings. The media tab doesn't help.

Yeah, the only "tagging" system is keywords, and you can only apply one extra modifier at a time. Latest, top, photos... If you want to see photos themselves, you can't apply an order of your liking to the search.

thiggy said:
I cant wait for the fucking day a better website comes and replaces twitter

I hope Itaku.ee catches on, it's a hybrid of all the good features of other sites.

• Uncompressed image option
• Twitter/Tumblr style update feed (with filters!)
• Deviant Art style browse page with Newest/Oldest/Top and date range options
• Ability to "reshare" images
• Galleries with folders
• e621 style tagging and tag wiki
• A commissions section to view open artists like "classified ads" in a newspaper
• Multiple image uploads like Pixiv or Inkbunny
• Allows NSFW content

It's superior to Twitter in every way, and aimed squarely at artists.

wat8548 said:
There used to be, but they removed it.

Meanwhile, can anyone recommend a Greasemonkey script or similar that auto-deletes that begging pop-up which obscures the page every time you click on something while logged out? The worst part is that they couldn't even be bothered to make the close button work properly - it just kicks you back to the page you clicked from.

Try using this:

https://nitter.net/

Replace twitter.com with nitter.net

hungrymaple said:
I hope Itaku.ee catches on, it's a hybrid of all the good features of other sites.

• Uncompressed image option
• Twitter/Tumblr style update feed (with filters!)
• Deviant Art style browse page with Newest/Oldest/Top and date range options
• Ability to "reshare" images
• Galleries with folders
• e621 style tagging and tag wiki
• A commissions section to view open artists like "classified ads" in a newspaper
• Multiple image uploads like Pixiv or Inkbunny
• Allows NSFW content

It's superior to Twitter in every way, and aimed squarely at artists.

Yeah! I use it. It’s not very popular yet, but I could see it going somewhere.

hungrymaple said:
I hope Itaku.ee catches on, it's a hybrid of all the good features of other sites.

• e621 style tagging and tag wiki

To reach that bar they'd have to at least allow community tagging of images. That has its own issues of course, but tagging usefully is a big job. Unless I missed something, only the artist can apply tags.
I'm also trying to figure out if there is any moderation of mistagging or attempts to enforce canonical tag names / consistency between related tags; those are two elements of why e621's system actually works well, IMO

Otherwise your summary seems to be fair, thanks for mentioning it.