I don't think staff should approve posts without adding proper gender tags onto the posts. While yes, viewers can add the tags themselves... If they have a specific gender blacklisted, they shouldn't have to view it just because the uploader was lazy to add the gender tag themselves. While yes, there is the case on ambiguously gendered beings, however with the PAINFULLY obvious depiction of breasts or a vagina, the female tag should be a MUST before approval... and the same goes for a painfully obvious depiction of a penis but a lack of breasts, where the MALE tag should be a must. It's even more ridiculous that this isn't enforced due to the fact that uploading a post has a gender section within it. Why is it there if it's not enforced, like artist and source is?

Thing is, more than 1500 posts get uploaded every day. Someone has to review every single one of them.
And there are a grand total of 20 active staff members taking care of it. Not everyone is handing approvals, and not everyone is available every day.

Making sure that every post is tagged correctly during the approval process is not terribly realistic.

If you see someone consistently mistagging posts, be it with gender tags or not, you should either talk to them, or report them.

Cross-linking topics, seeing as I think you might be talking about the same individual(s);

https://e621.net/forum_topics/30347

bitwolfy said:
Thing is, more than 1500 posts get uploaded every day. Someone has to review every single one of them.
And there are a grand total of 20 active staff members taking care of it. Not everyone is handing approvals, and not everyone is available every day.

Making sure that every post is tagged correctly during the approval process is not terribly realistic.

Could the onus (somehow) be put on the tagger? Like if someone tries to upload a post with no gender tags, a pop-up appears asking "yo man you sure?" Or even more strictly, it (somehow) forbids the post from being uploaded until a gender tag is added. zero_pictured can be an honorary gender tag for this purpose.

bitwolfy said:
If you see someone consistently mistagging posts, be it with gender tags or not, you should either talk to them, or report them.

From the people I've tried to DM about tagging, only two people have responded and I'd say only one person's been actually receptive. The rest have either ignored me or blocked me. The usual suspects I see are tagging the bare minimum technically-not-violating-anything amount of tags, which is... a bit annoying.

strikerman said:
Could the onus (somehow) be put on the tagger? Like if someone tries to upload a post with no gender tags, a pop-up appears asking "yo man you sure?" Or even more strictly, it (somehow) forbids the post from being uploaded until a gender tag is added. zero_pictured can be an honorary gender tag for this purpose.

I like the idea of making the buttons on the upload page mandatory.
But the counterargument is that people would just start clicking random buttons, just to finish uploading quicker. And an undertagged post is better than a mistagged one.

I'm not entirely sure if I agree. I would do a bit of AB testing, if possible. But it is what it is.

strikerman said:
From the people I've tried to DM about tagging, only two people have responded and I'd say only one person's been actually receptive. The rest have either ignored me or blocked me. The usual suspects I see are tagging the bare minimum technically-not-violating-anything amount of tags, which is... a bit annoying.

Yeah, that's... the reality of it, unfortunately.
Hell, I had people ignore me when I DMed them about the questionable flags they made.

I would report the people who are consistently undertagging posts if I were you. Gather the worst cases as examples, and ask something to be done about it.
I've had moderate success with a few people who started tagging (a little) better after an "official" message from an admin.

bitwolfy said:
I like the idea of making the buttons on the upload page mandatory.
But the counterargument is that people would just start clicking random buttons, just to finish uploading quicker. And an undertagged post is better than a mistagged one.

I'm not entirely sure if I agree. I would do a bit of AB testing, if possible. But it is what it is.

I can understand that argument, but on the flipside, a mistagged post stands out more than an undertagged post. If it does become a problem and people randomly add tags to their posts, then they can more easily be called out. Either they learn to tag properly, or they get punished.

bitwolfy said:
I like the idea of making the buttons on the upload page mandatory.
But the counterargument is that people would just start clicking random buttons, just to finish uploading quicker. And an undertagged post is better than a mistagged one.

Some people already do that. More than once I've run across users that have multiple forms tagged, humanoid, anthro, and feral, for a single character. I think I've seen mention of some people tagging all the genders and basically including any of the clickable buttons to ensure they "got the right tags", at the expense of having the wrong ones too. If I notice a particular uploader doing it consistently, I report it, and they usually get warned. But the gender and form tags can't be mandatory; zero_pictured is a valid tag to use in some circumstances (comic cover page, etc), where there's nothing to tag for them.

watsit said:
But the gender and form tags can't be mandatory; zero_pictured is a valid tag to use in some circumstances (comic cover page, etc), where there's nothing to tag for them.

I did suggest zero_pictured could be an 'honorary' tag for these purposes, if this ever got close to some kind of functional testing.

strikerman said:
Could the onus (somehow) be put on the tagger? Like if someone tries to upload a post with no gender tags, a pop-up appears asking "yo man you sure?"

This system can and should be generalised to other missing or invalid combinations of tags. For example, if someone tags solo, there are a whole lot of contradictory tags which shouldn't all be present. Or if the pussy tag is present but none of the gender options which imply the existence of one are tagged, or sex is tagged but not the gender combination, etc. etc.

wat8548 said:
This system can and should be generalised to other missing or invalid combinations of tags. For example, if someone tags solo, there are a whole lot of contradictory tags which shouldn't all be present. Or if the pussy tag is present but none of the gender options which imply the existence of one are tagged, or sex is tagged but not the gender combination, etc. etc.

This is a mountain of worms I expect the maintainers want nothing to do with. As esix hosts illustrations and drawings [Limited only by the artists' imagination], as opposed to photographs, there's probably a never-ending list of edge-cases and "what-ifs" that would make implementing what you suggest an absolute, never-ending nightmare.

Perhaps a middle ground might be as suggested above - if the upload page sees a combination of tags that fits conditions for alarm, it should pop-up a "Wait a sec. Are you really sure? Please verify your gender and content tags to continue."

tredfg543 said:
Perhaps a middle ground might be as suggested above - if the upload page sees a combination of tags that fits conditions for alarm, it should pop-up a "Wait a sec. Are you really sure? Please verify your gender and content tags to continue."

That was exactly what I was suggesting. Except the pop-up should definitely show you what combination tripped it, because otherwise figuring out the problem would be a nightmare, especially for a novice.