Topic: [REJECTED] Pride Color BUR

Posted under Tag Alias and Implication Suggestions

The bulk update request #1319 has been rejected.

remove implication rainbow_pride_flag (886) -> rainbow_flag (951)
remove alias gay_flag (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias lgbt_colors (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias rainbow_flag_(colors) (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias lgbt_pride_flag (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias gay_colors (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias rainbow_flag_(pride) (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias lgbt_flag (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias gay_pride_colors (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias lgbt_pride_colors (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias gay_pride_flag (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove alias homosexual_flag (0) -> rainbow_pride_flag (886)
remove implication pride_colors (8996) -> lgbt_pride (9290)
remove implication rainbow_pride_flag (886) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication asexual_pride_colors (284) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication bisexual_pride_colors (1670) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication lesbian_pride_colors (445) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication nonbinary_pride_colors (489) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication pansexual_pride_colors (1011) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication transgender_pride_colors (2069) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication demisexual_pride_colors (119) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication genderfluid_pride_colors (169) -> pride_colors (8996)
remove implication straight_ally_colors (22) -> pride_colors (8996)

Reason: This is both a collection of additional flag tags and a proposed overhaul to part of the implication tree. Featuring:

  • A variety of pride flag tags that are floating around without implications, now attached back to pride_colors
  • Standardizing rainbow_pride_flag with pride_colors by making it rainbow_pride_colors
    • The use of rainbow_pride_flag is unique amidst every other type of pride flag being tagged as *_pride_colors, to the point pride_flag is aliased to pride_colors. The phrasing can also discourage tagging of the flag/colors when displayed in a non-flag form, such as pins/clothing/backgrounds.
    • Re-implying rainbow_flag has been left out; I have no strong opinions on whether or not this implication should be preserved in some fashion, but due to it implying flag as a definite object, I figure it shouldn't allow *_colors tags to feed directly into it.
  • The introduction of umbrella tags lgbt_pride_colors, subculture_pride_colors, and kink_pride_colors
    • There are some pride flags that aren't necessarily LGBTQ+ flags, so the pride_colors -> lgbt_pride implication can end up funneling them all under lgbt_pride regardless of what sort of flag it is. If that is removed, then relevant flags can imply lgbt_pride_colors which implies both pride_colors and lgbt_pride, while other flags just lead to pride_colors.
    • For ease of categorization and searching, lgbt_pride_colors here is limited to related orientations and gender identities, kink_pride_colors is for kinks, subculture_pride_colors groups flags that hold a certain range of societal subversion (kink, queer-adjacent, and the like), then ~8 other pride_color tags that don't firmly fit in those categories remain on their own.
    • I'm aware that the rainbow flag is technically the LGBT flag and thus there's an air of potential tagging confusion there, but I don't got any better ideas for what an umbrella tag could be set as, and it's currently more likely for people to see it as the gay flag anyways.

As far as I'm aware, this sort of thing can't be done in one BUR without conflicts, so here's the first part: A bulk removal of relevant pride_color and rainbow_pride_flag implications and aliases.
Edit: Added subculture_pride_colors

EDIT: The bulk update request #1319 (forum #316531) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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Second part: All the replaced and new implications/aliases that produce errors without the first part going through (which is almost everything involving lgbt_pride_colors and rainbow_pride_colors)

Part 2

implicate lgbt_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride
implicate lgbt_pride_colors -> pride_colors
alias lgbt_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
alias lgbt_pride_flag -> lgbt_pride_colors
alias lgbt_flag -> lgbt_pride_colors

implicate rainbow_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
alias rainbow_pride_flag -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias gay_flag -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias rainbow_flag_(colors) -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias gay_colors -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias rainbow_flag_(pride) -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias gay_pride_colors -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias gay_pride_flag -> rainbow_pride_colors
alias homosexual_flag -> rainbow_pride_colors

implicate queer_chevron -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate queer_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate lesbian_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate bisexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate pansexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate asexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate greysexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate vincian_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate demisexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate demiromantic_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate polysexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate omnisexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate achillean_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate aegosexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate pomosexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate androsexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate abrosexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate skoliosexual_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors

implicate aromantic_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate greyromantic_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate loveless_aro_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate biromantic_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate panromantic_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate veldian_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate eros_veldian_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate he/they_gay_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors

implicate transgender_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate nonbinary_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate agender_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate genderqueer_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate genderfluid_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate transfeminine_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate transmasculine_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate trans_man_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate andromorph_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate bigender_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate demigirl_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate demiboy_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate boyfluid_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate androgyne_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate neutrois_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate agender_girl_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate greygender_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate salmacian_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate t4t_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate neuroqueer_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate quoi_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate questioning_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors
implicate xenine_pride_colors -> lgbt_pride_colors

This is now just for the bulk of changes that can't currently be put into a true BUR, anything that can has been moved to new ones below
Also shoutout to TheVileOne for doing most the manual work of switching rainbow_pride_flag to rainbow_pride_colors
Edits: Added abrosexual_pride_colors, agender_girl_pride_colors, bigender_pride_colors, skoliosexual_pride_colors, t4t_pride_colors, loveless_aro_pride_colors, neuroqueer_pride_colors, greygender_pride_colors, androsexual_pride_colors, demiromantic_pride_colors, quoi_pride_colors, questioning_pride_colors, greyromantic_pride_colors, and xenine_pride_colors

Pre-split edits

Added queer_chevron, queer_pride_colors, nine-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors, bdsm_pride_colors, zoophilia_pride_colors, aegosexual_pride_colors, butch_lesbian_pride_colors, rubber_pride_colors, veldian_pride_colors, eros_veldian_pride_colors, he/they_gay_pride_colors, salmacian_pride_colors, and joke_pride_colors
And bdsm_pride_colors -> bdsm_emblem due to its inherent presence on such flags, and biangles -> bisexual_pride_colors due to the symbol always using those colors

Updated

The bulk update request #2501 has been rejected.

create implication six-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors (2750) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication seven-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors (424) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication philadelphia_rainbow_pride_colors (34) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication progress_pride_colors (263) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication 1978_rainbow_pride_colors (46) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication nine-stripe_rainbow_pride_colors (4) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication straight_ally_colors (22) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication straight_ally_colors (22) -> straight_pride_colors (11)
create implication alternate_rainbow_pride_colors (270) -> rainbow_pride_colors (3669)
create implication orange_lesbian_pride_colors (345) -> lesbian_pride_colors (445)
create implication pink_lesbian_pride_colors (24) -> lesbian_pride_colors (445)
create implication lipstick_lesbian_pride_colors (2) -> pink_lesbian_pride_colors (24)
create implication labrys_lesbian_pride_colors (0) -> lesbian_pride_colors (445)
create implication alternate_lesbian_pride_colors (7) -> lesbian_pride_colors (445)
create implication alternate_bisexual_pride_colors (2) -> bisexual_pride_colors (1670)
create implication biangles (2) -> bisexual_pride_colors (1670)
create implication alternate_pansexual_pride_colors (6) -> pansexual_pride_colors (1011)
create implication alternate_transgender_pride_colors (26) -> transgender_pride_colors (2069)
create implication alternate_polyamory_pride_colors (11) -> polyamory_pride_colors (59)
create alias grey_asexual_pride_colors (0) -> greysexual_pride_colors (16)
create alias graysexual_pride_colors (0) -> greysexual_pride_colors (16)
create alias grey_aromantic_pride_colors (0) -> greyromantic_pride_colors (0)
create alias grayromantic_pride_colors (4) -> greyromantic_pride_colors (0)
create alias quoiromantic_pride_colors (0) -> quoi_pride_colors (2)
create alias quoisexual_pride_colors (0) -> quoi_pride_colors (2)

Reason: Creating implications for the variations of rainbow and lesbian flags, plus a few additional LGBTQ+ related aliases and implication at the bottom
Edit: Added more alternate_* tags that've shown up, and removed the change approved at topic #37244

EDIT: The bulk update request #2501 (forum #335144) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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The bulk update request #2502 has been rejected.

create implication subculture_pride_colors (145) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication bear_pride_colors (56) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication twink_pride_colors (6) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication femboy_pride_colors (10) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication gnc_pride_colors (3) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication polyamory_pride_colors (59) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication 1995_polyamory_pride_colors (25) -> polyamory_pride_colors (59)
create implication ambiamorous_pride_colors (1) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication intersex_pride_colors (44) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication disability_pride_colors (3) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication aplatonic_pride_colors (2) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication straight_pride_colors (11) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication hypersexual_pride_colors (3) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication objectum_pride_colors (0) -> pride_colors (8996)
create alias os/or_pride_colors (0) -> objectum_pride_colors (0)
create implication pedophilia_pride_colors (14) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication zoophilia_pride_colors (33) -> pride_colors (8996)
create implication joke_pride_colors (7) -> pride_colors (8996)

Reason: Additional pride flags attached back to pride_colors, focusing on subculture & miscellaneous flags (edited to split this into two parts, got too large for one BUR)

EDIT: The bulk update request #2502 (forum #335145) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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The bulk update request #3470 has been rejected.

create implication kink_pride_colors (67) -> subculture_pride_colors (145)
create implication leather_pride_colors (21) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication pup_pride_colors (22) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication bdsm_pride_colors (2) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication bdsm_pride_colors (2) -> bdsm_triskelion (2)
create alias bdsm_emblem (0) -> bdsm_triskelion (2)
create implication abdl_pride_colors (3) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication rubber_pride_colors (19) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication master/slave_pride_colors (0) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication adipophilia_pride_colors (1) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create alias fat_fetish_pride_colors (0) -> adipophilia_pride_colors (1)
create implication monsterfucker_pride_colors (4) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication pony_pride_colors (1) -> kink_pride_colors (67)
create implication vore_pride_colors (0) -> kink_pride_colors (67)

Reason: Kink pride flags attached back to pride_colors, plus an alias for fat_fetish* into adipophilia* and the BDSM flag implicating the BDSM emblem

EDIT: The bulk update request #3470 (forum #348676) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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tabbyseraph said:
bulk update request #3470
create implication bdsm_pride_colors (2) -> bdsm_emblem (3)

Not sure this one makes sense. Looking at details in your reason, I guess you meant bdsm_pride_flag.

All the other stuff seems to make sense otherwise.

pewdiecrustlesspie said:
Not sure this one makes sense. Looking at details in your reason, I guess you meant bdsm_pride_flag.

All the other stuff seems to make sense otherwise.

Nah, that tag format doesn't fit with the rest, *_colors tags are the format for pride flags (but I still call 'em flags when talking about 'em).
Or if you're talking about the emblem, that symbol is separate from the flag, just is inherently on BDSM flags (it could be tagged bdsm_triskelion to be more specific, but I doubt people're gonna be very familiar with that word)

The bulk update request #4886 has been rejected.

create implication xenogender_pride_colors (2) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication catgender_pride_colors (1) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication genderfae_pride_colors (1) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication rabbitgender_pride_colors (2) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication bungender_pride_colors (0) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication mewgender_pride_colors (1) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication pupgender_pride_colors (1) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)
create implication stargender_pride_colors (0) -> xenine_pride_colors (10)

Reason: For ease of organization, searching, and blacklisting, especially with the likelihood of one-off xenogender flags uploaded, here's xenine_pride_colors for grouping all the xenogender tags together. While the term doesn't get much use as far as I'm aware, xenogender_pride_colors is already a tag for its own flag and thus can't be used for the category.

EDIT: The bulk update request #4886 (forum #366661) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

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tabbyseraph said:
(it could be tagged bdsm_triskelion to be more specific, but I doubt people're gonna be very familiar with that word)

Alias bdsm_emblem to bdsm_triskelion? More accurate words are best, and then people could still find it easily with the well known word

Potentially ignorant questions:
Objectum is sexual attraction to objects, right? Wouldn't that mean it should go under kink_pride_colors?
Would disability be considered a subculture?

cloudpie said:
Alias bdsm_emblem to bdsm_triskelion? More accurate words are best, and then people could still find it easily with the well known word

Fair, that is a good way to do it; I have a habit of forgetting about aliases at times

Yes, these were starting to get out of hand. I'd rather avoid going down the path of giving everything a flag outside of the primary ones. It gets to a point where they become a bandwagon, and the established ones suffer because of it.

rainbow_dash said:
Yes, these were starting to get out of hand. I'd rather avoid going down the path of giving everything a flag outside of the primary ones. It gets to a point where they become a bandwagon, and the established ones suffer because of it.

I don't get that reasoning myself, it's not like the flags disappear when the implications don't exist. And even when it comes to the stray flag tags, that's why I proposed grouping flag with their own implied tags too, so even if many individual flags were left behind, they could still be searched/blacklisted well w/ those group tags.

Not to mention that this is partially for the mix of complaints about other pride flags winding up in the lgbt tag (they are pride_colors, and if there's for some reason a ruling against that then the tagging becomes even more messy), and complaints about the lack of a blacklistable tag on posts where uploaders keep assuming pride_colors/lgbt_pride would automatically be but their flag tags lack the implications to it

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cloudpie said:
Potentially ignorant questions:
Objectum is sexual attraction to objects, right? Wouldn't that mean it should go under kink_pride_colors?
Would disability be considered a subculture?

I guess the tag setup aspect to the question is a bit moot currently, but I can answer your general questions there.

Objectum actually doesn't quite fit under kink due to the specific way it's experienced, which can be generally summarized as the experience of "object sentience". Basically it's experienced more like interpersonal attraction than attraction to an item.

And yeah I guess disability_ could fall under that (just a bit of an ambiguous category there, it started as an offshoot tag for communities in the kink sphere that weren't specifically kink, then since broadened while trying to figure out how to best handle things. Even intersex could arguably fit under there too)

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