The bulk update request #1386 has been rejected.

create implication bulge_frottage (911) -> frottage (16193)
create implication bulge_frottage (911) -> bulge (153800)
create implication bulge_frottage (911) -> clothed_sex (15651)

Reason:

• Bulge frottage is frottage.
• Bulge frottage requires a bulge. (I checked the bulge_frottage -bulge search results and, apart from a few that shouldn't have been tagged bulge_frottage in the first place, all seem to be eligible.)
• frottage implies sex. For there to be a bulge, the characters must be clothed, hence clothed_sex. Also, this is listed as a "related tag" on the wiki already.

Most of this was first proposed three years ago: forum #250626

(On a related note, should bulge imply clothed? I was quite surprised to find out that it didn't.)

EDIT: The bulk update request #1386 (forum #317568) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.

I agree. Bulge frottage posts are basically implying that the posts feature frottage, bulge and clothed sex.

(On a related note, should bulge imply clothed? I was quite surprised to find out that it didn't.)

Yes, a piece of clothing is required for a bulge to be visible, whether it be through underwear, pants, or similar. (Unless ‘bulge’ can refer to other things as well)

wat8548 said:

• Bulge frottage is frottage.
• Bulge frottage requires a bulge. (I checked the bulge_frottage -bulge search results and, apart from a few that shouldn't have been tagged bulge_frottage in the first place, all seem to be eligible.)
• frottage implies sex. For there to be a bulge, the characters must be clothed, hence clothed_sex. Also, this is listed as a "related tag" on the wiki already.

Hmmm. There may be the problem that "bulge frottage" could just be a result of two bulges being pressed against each other. Unless there's actual stimulation (e.g. grinding), I wouldn't consider that sex.

wat8548 said:
(On a related note, should bulge imply clothed? I was quite surprised to find out that it didn't.)

A bulge can be there because of a towel or blanket or some other non-clothing cover.

watsit said:
Hmmm. There may be the problem that "bulge frottage" could just be a result of two bulges being pressed against each other. Unless there's actual stimulation (e.g. grinding), I wouldn't consider that sex.

A bulge can be there because of a towel or blanket or some other non-clothing cover.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Didn’t think about that before.

watsit said:
Hmmm. There may be the problem that "bulge frottage" could just be a result of two bulges being pressed against each other. Unless there's actual stimulation (e.g. grinding), I wouldn't consider that sex.

I would say the same applies to many, perhaps even most, of the images currently tagged frottage (which already implies sex). This may be an impossible distinction to make under TWYS, in which it is commonly quite difficult to make objective judgements about whether two characters are moving or how hard they are pressing together from a single still image.

Like, the very newest image I saw when I clicked on the tag just now was this:

post #2953999

Can you definitively prove that there is "grinding" going on here, rather than just two dicks "being pressed against each other"? Yes, they appear to be "stimulated", but spontaneous_ejaculation and the like is a common enough phenomenon around here.

wat8548 said:
I would say the same applies to many, perhaps even most, of the images currently tagged frottage (which already implies sex).

At least with normal frottage, it's two bare penises being pressed against each other, which is still a highly sexual act even without grinding. But with bulges, there's a layer of something preventing direct contact, as well as potentially a lack of detail. Bulges can be rated Safe or Questionable if they're not too detailed, and they can be touching in a non-overtly-sexual way which wouldn't require an Explicit rating, while sex is always Explicit.

To reiterate the point I made in the other thread, the bulge_frottage -> frottage implication is bad because frottage is specifically for penises touching/rubbing together, whereas a bulge_frottage is two bulges which isn't restricted to penises (let alone visible penises). And you know there will be people who think it applies if two abdominal_bulges are pressing or rubbing against each other. This would end up causing frottage to be tagged on posts where balls, tentacles, dildos, socks stuffed in pants, etc, are rubbing together through a layer of clothing or flesh without a single penis in sight.

The other two implications are fine, though.

The bulk update request #1386 (forum #317568) has been rejected by @Rainbow_Dash.